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Suleiman the Magnificent - II: The Fate of Princes - Extra History (Patreon)

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2016-03-18 11:33:25
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The way lies open. Hungary and Rhodes - those thorns in Suleiman's side - stand alone. His army is ready.

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Suleiman the Magnificent - II: Master of the World - Extra History

Knowing that most of Europe is preoccupied with internal struggles, Suleiman launches his wars against Hungary and Rhodes while they're cut off from outside reinforcements. Support us on Patreon! http://bit.ly/EHPatreon --- (Episode details below) Grab your Extra Credits gear at the store! http://bit.ly/ExtraStore Subscribe for new episodes every Saturday! http://bit.ly/SubToEC Watch the Suleiman the Magnificent series! http://bit.ly/1nBF8i9 Play games with us on Extra Play! http://bit.ly/WatchEXP Talk to us on Twitter (@ExtraCreditz): http://bit.ly/ECTweet Follow us on Facebook: http://bit.ly/ECFBPage Get our list of recommended games on Steam: http://bit.ly/ECCurator ____________ Suleiman wanted to erase the failures of his predecessor, and extend the Ottoman Empire into Europe... The boy king of Hungary had given Suleiman the perfect pretext for war by killing his envoy, and he'd done it at a time when Hungary was especially isolated from the rest of the continent. The Holy Roman Empire and Papal States were being torn apart by the declarations of Martin Luther. Spain and France were busy fighting each other. Suleiman even ensured that Venice would stay out of the dispute by offering them a lucrative trade treaty with his empire. Though he felt certain of victory, he still studied every route and painstakingly worked out the logistics of moving his army. He would not risk failure through carelessness. Yet the siege from his cannons could not bring down the walls of Belgrade, so he turned to treachery: eventually, the Orthodox Serbian contingent in the city gave him access in order to escape the oppression of the Catholic Hungarians. Suleiman massacred the Hungarians, but honored his agreement with the Serbs and let them leave. Then he turned to Rhodes. He offered them a chance to surrender in advance, but they refused. The Knights of Rhodes were after all a sacred order, equal in discipline to his janissary forces. They fought hard, repulsing several attempts by the Turks to invade through collapsed walls and repeatedly refusing Suleiman's offers to let them surrender. But at last they wore down and agreed to terms of truce. Suleiman allowed them to leave along with any Christian subjects who wished to go with them. It had taken him two years to complete his wars, but he had succeeded. ____________ ♫ Get the intro music here! http://bit.ly/1EQA5N7 *Music by Demetori: http://bit.ly/1AaJG4H ♫ Get the outro music here! http://bit.ly/23isQfx *Music by Sean and Dean Kiner: http://bit.ly/1WdBhnm

Comments

Curtis Fric

Suleiman sounds about as relentless as I when I play Europa xD

Bright Ops

You can't help but respect the Knights at Rhodes. To be that grossly outnumbered and outgunned and -still- putting up one hell of a fight is truly what legends are made of. Eve through they lost, only a fool would true to shame them for it.

Bright Ops

You can't help but respect the Knights at Rhodes. To be that grossly outnumbered and outgunned and -still- putting up one hell of a fight is truly what legends are made of. Eve through they lost, only a fool would true to shame them for it.

Yazen Shunnar

Suleiman's relevance to modern history is that he made many contributions to education, art, culture, and was a great military leader. I'm really looking forward to hearing more about the other half of his legacy.

paul staber

It is a bit disheartening that back then the ottomans could unironically say "see we aren't that bad we wont even enslave your children for a few years"

paul staber
>>1520040

Reminds me a bit of the Soviets in WW2 just keep throwing human suffering at the problem and it will go away eventually besides they are slave soldiers its what they were made for (christian slave soldiers at that).

paul staber
>>1520284

I always wondered how Christians felt about fighting the Jannisaries who where enslaved christian children ( it was illegal to enslave Muslims) so no matter how the battle goes the result will be piles of dead christians. Cant be great for morale.

Yazen Shunnar
>>1520534

The Janissaries were kidnapped, but their status was very far from slaves. They formed their own distinct social class as they were educated, trained, and made into elite soldiers . As you said, in modern times it is unthinkable, but the Ottoman's offer was much better than the slavery that usually ended wars. That's why the Knights ended up agreeing to it. Edit: Hi, I was reading a few comments below and you seem to bring up the idea that Jannisaries were some type of canon fodder for the Ottomans. Their responsibilities in the army was as the Sultan's personal guard. To quote wikipedia "The Janissaries also enjoyed far better support on campaign than other armies of the time. . . Their weapons and ammunition were transported and re-supplied by the cebeci corps. They campaigned with their own medical teams of Muslim and Jewish surgeons and their sick and wounded were evacuated to dedicated mobile hospitals set up behind the lines." I understand there is some cultural bitterness at past wrongs but the Jannisaries were not slave soldiers in the form of the Mongols. They were kidnapped as children and then conscripted into the army.

Jane

i think something great about the justinian series was the pacing set for twelve episodes. going back to six is hard!

ExtraCredits
>>1520040

I guess you don't get to be called "the Magnificent" if you don't have a lot of restless drive in you.

ExtraCredits
>>1520274

We had some help with the pronunciation. ;) We know we're still gonna get some things wrong, but we do try as much as we can!

Jim McGeehin

The anti-Habsburg sentiment in Europe at the time cannot be overstated. The House of Habsburg, now mostly a not-entirely-undeserved joke about the dangers of consanguinity on the gene pool, but at the time, was considered a dire threat to the kings and nobles of Western Europe. One of the fascinating things about the Janissaries is their evolution as a military power. Originally, the Janissaries were by appointment only. In the beginning of the 17th century (this is after Suleiman's tenure, so it will probably not be covered by this series), however, they became hereditary and a powerful political bloc. More than one Ottoman Emperor would meet his demise at the hands of the Janissaries, mirroring the similar circumstances with the Roman Praetorians and the Byzantine Varaganian Guard. A faction responsible for a king's safety can become a powerful kingmaker. For the Ottoman's declarations that they were the heirs to Rome and Istanbul the Third Rome, this is one aspect of that which is entirely true. But that, I think, is beyond the scope of this series.

ExtraCredits
>>1520284

The Knights of Rhodes would be an interesting series, or maybe one-off, for Extra History one day. They are connected to our First Crusades story, after all!

ExtraCredits
>>1520317

To be honest with you, we're still having a hard time giving narrative weight to the cultural sides of our rulers - we had the same problem with Justinian. We will talk about Suleiman's reform of the laws, but this series is still following the wars as its main narrative thread. Something I hope we can improve on over time.

ExtraCredits

History just has this perverse way of throwing in the unexpected, same as Justinian was on top of the world until the Plague struck.

ExtraCredits
>>1520534

The Janissaries always existed in this strange dichotomy where they were simultaneously seen as a terrible and a wonderful fate. Taking kids from their families is always going to be traumatic, and leave deep scars not just on the families directly involved but on their culture which sees itself being deliberately torn apart. But at the same time, the janissaries were (as Yazen points out) elite guards with great social prospects, and for some people, having your son become a janissary was an honor worth striving for. So, I would agree that the generosity of not enslaving children for a few years is a pretty odd statement when we view it in perspective, but it's really just the beginning of contemporary culture norms that seem odd today, but which we have to wrap our heads around when dealing with the question of janissaries.

ExtraCredits
>>1522494

Yeah, we won't really go into that with this series, but it is endlessly fascinating to me how arbitrary the dividing line between "Rome" and "not Rome" can be when we're talking about the supposed fall of the Roman Empire - East or West. Even the Ostrogoths, whom Justinian was so eager to oppose last series, adopted many of the institutions of Rome, and Theoderic adopted the title "King of Goths and Romans" - IN Latin. I love it when things get complicated.

Jane
>>1521113

you guys are great i have faith! plus lies(extra truths?) is always excellent for filling in gaps/ trivia

Jim McGeehin
>>1522494

Even to this day, the legacy of Rome lingers, and everyone wants to be its heir. The Eastern Roman Empire claimed to be the heir to Rome, the Pope crowned Charlemagne as the Holy Roman Emperor to put imperium in the hands of the Catholic faithful. Kirij Arslan of the First Crusade fame titled himself the Sultan of Rum, the Arabized word for Rome. Mehmed decided that Istanbul would be the Third Rome, the first being the pagan Eternal City, the second being Christian Constantinople, and the third being Muslim Istanbul. Moscow got into the mix as the new seat of the Orthodox faithful. So you have no less than three powers claiming to be the real heir to Rome. And each of these Romes had their own unique twist. So do all of their twists invalidate their claims to Rome, or are they a necessity of time, place, and circumstances? Unrelated, I noticed you were talking with someone else about the cultural achievements. I agree it's hard, given our modern era is vastly different. Certainly, you can talk about architectural relics all day long, the Old City walls of Jerusalem are the same walls that Suleiman renovated. But given you just spoke about the Knights Hospitalier in this segment, one of the interesting butterfly effects of that conquest was that Suleiman allowing them to withdraw to Sicily eventually let them establish themselves in Malta, and they evolved into the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, the oldest chivalric order in the world.

RMS Oceanic
>>1522494

Speaking of Roman Legacies, I recall an anecdote - but I have no idea if it's true, so take with salt - that after Greece won independence from the Ottomans in the 19th Century they went into every village proclaiming their liberty and how they were once again Greek. Which apparently surprised some villages as they still considered themselves Roman. Senatus Populus Que Romanus is a frame of mind, it seems.

Sean Sarff

Here's something that I don't really get. I understand that by around this time cannons had made their way into the battlefields of Europe in some form, the Ottoman Bombards were still the greatest weapon they had. Why were they so ineffective against Hungary and Rhodes when the same cannons ripped apart Byzantium's great walls a hundred years before? Also, I may be mistaken, but the flag that you're showing for the spanish looks an awful lot like the Burgundian flag...

Bob

I'm Hungary for more history! ;-)

Anonymous
>>1525118

It is indeed the Burgundian Cross. Philip I, the first Habsburg king of Castile took it as an emblem, from his mother's house. His son, Charles V used the cross on various ensigns throughout his domains, including Habsburg Spain.