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Art Preview: On to Chalcedon (Patreon)

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2016-05-16 21:39:30
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"I know what you're thinking: if anything, this all makes TOO much sense." /s

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Hasan Mahmood

See, in Islam we have a much simpler explanation. God is God, Jesus is Jesus, and by the grace of God does Jesus pull off all the miracles. Everything in that picture seems needlessly complicated

Stéphane Adam
>>1815116

I'm pretty sure well over 90% of christians agree it's needlessly complicated and mostly irrelevant. That said, Islam has it's complex theology and competing doctrines too.

Jim McGeehin
>>1815116

The schools of Islamic thought are complex in their own right. The Ash'ari and Mu'tazila schools come to mind when it comes to expressing the concept of being. That's one of my favorite periods to study in Islam.

Aaron Epstein

The tail direction breaks the parallelism 8|. I was excited to do all this learning until my immersion was shattered...

Hasan Mahmood
>>1815116

I will not disagree that Islam has its own needless complications in the different schools!

Robbie the Gnome

Puts me in the mind of coffee. Would you like your Jesus with Whole Milk, Half and Half, or Skim?

Antti Björklund

Monophysitism teaches that Christ only one "form", the divine form, not that the human form and divine form are the same, as the picture suggests to me.

Connor Raikes

I'm not sure I fully get how the Chalcedon consensus distinguishes itself from Monophysitism and Nestorianism at the same time. The way I see it, Nestorianism states that God the Son (the divine) is not Jesus (the human) per se but rather that The Son... took up residence in Jesus, I guess. Ephesus and Chalcedon stated that, no, Jesus Christ is God the Son, and the human and divine are united. Fair enough. But the human and divine have to be different natures, because the Monophysite idea of one nature was rejected by Chalcedon. So you have to have two distinct natures, but they also have to be united in one being. But if you say "two natures, one being", then what does that even mean? How can two natures be different, but not separate? If you unite two natures why wouldn't it become a single nature, ipso facto?

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>>1820005

I'll talk to James about it, but when I did the check on this image, I found that Christ as a synthesis of human and divine (but with one nature, not the shared nature espoused by the Chalcedonians) was a monophysite belief. If I'm wrong, let me know!

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>>1833866

I wish I could untangle that for you, but I'm just barely hanging on to the theological debates in this series myself. Every time I think "Oh, I got this!" I'll read something new and be like, "Oh, I don't got this." :( -Soraya

Antti Björklund
>>1820005

I checked from my theology textbook on the subject, and it concurs with my initial comment. I suggest you read Alister E. McGrath's "Christian theology. An Introduction" (5th edition), if you haven't already. The "symbolum" or creed of Chalcedon, the "end statement" of the council if you will, states that the two natures of Christ, the divine and the human, are present "inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably", that is they can't be separated or divided from one another, but also aren't actually mixed. Sorry for being such a know-it-all, but I happen to have a Master's Degree in theology.

Samuel Ewart

Hi, I understand that this is the best way to get in contact with you guys. I've just seen a video on a channel called Lindybeige, In Search of Hannibal, they're not very big (compared to you) and their Kickstarter is for a graphic novel about the second Punic War, a historically accurate one.

Samuel Ewart

Oops enter sets one up sorry, I coming from this as an A level student (going to uni next year hopefully) who loves history but has very little money to give (this 1.20 is pushing it) and I want history to spread and I think this graphic novel will help that. I'm just asking if you guys can give them some publicity I want this to be a supreme success because I want history to be popular again. So if you can mention it I'd appreciate it, the youtube video is here <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbDXYf51RZw." rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbDXYf51RZw.</a> Thanks for the amazing content please help these guys. I want to do the most good and I think by bringing it up with you I can. Thanks for reading this (well these two comments) love you content.

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>>1820005

No worries, I don't mind getting more info! I have to admit this series was particularly hard for me to check since a lot of the theological debates were beyond me, and although I've reached out to a few people to help me here and there, this was one I thought I'd checked correctly! Ah well. Thank you for the input, and sorry I didn't catch it sooner! -Soraya

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>>1837244

Someone sent me the link for that Kickstarter earlier today! I think it looks amazing, but we have a general policy against promoting Kickstarters (for a variety of reasons). Although we bend the rule sometimes, this particular Kickstarter has already met and in fact doubled its goal, so it's already well on the way towards success. And I hope it is fabulously successful, because speaking for myself alone, I think it looks great!

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>>1833866

Update! A patron by the name of Stephen Snow wrote a very succinct description of why Nestorianism was seen as heresy, and I think it goes some way to explain how that viewpoint differs from the Chalcedonian view. So if you're interested in reading about that from someone who knows about the topic, then go look for Stephen's comment on the Episode 4 Early Access thread!

Timothy McLean
>>1815116

The Muslim beliefs about Jesus work perfectly well if you don't believe that Jesus was the son of God. They tend to break down if you do...

Hasan Mahmood
>>1815116

Jesus not being the Son of God is more or less agreed upon, though. The things that the sects of Islam tend to disagree on tend to be more or less entirely about how one interprets the Quran.

Antti Björklund
>>1820005

No worries, the theological debate of the time sometimes goes over the head of even those who've studied the subject. But this is one point I'm fairly certain I'm correct on.

Samuel Ewart

Thanks for the vote of confidence at least, I just thought you guys might like to know, didn't you start with the Punic Wars?