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9. The Aztecs - A Clash of Worlds (Part 2 of 2) (Patreon)

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Alexandra Vieira

This was my favourite episode so far because of how you explained it. Even though I already new the outcome i didn’t know the details and it sounded like a thriller, I was biting my nails to see what was going to happen next. Great job! Also couldn’t help to imagine if an alien race arrives on earth in the future, will we have the same fate as the indigenous peoples in the colonised world? Perhaps and it’s scary.

TOMAS MUCHA

The conquers also conquered. Cortes was a man of his times. In spite of greed, cruelties, usurping and death Cortes brought a piece of Europe to the New World.

Danielle Folsom
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Disagree. His actions were so vile, the people whose respect he wanted most — the Spanish Aristocracy — rejected him.

TOMAS MUCHA

I never said that the Spanish or other Europeans approved of Cortes, but, the Crown eagerly took the loot. I guess even today with the so called ' wokeness ' we judge our founding fathers and other colonial powers thru the 21st century lens. It is obvious that Cortes and others brought Europe to the New World. This is not a qualification that things European were good or right. I am an Hispanic of European ancestry and I bear no fault or shame.

Michael C.

I enjoyed most of this episode but it does present Cortes in the worst possible light and also villifies Columbus. That was disappointing. I know it is fashionable to attack European colonialism. But imagine if the roles had been reversed and the Aztecs had colonized Spain. They would have been at least as brutal. At least Europeans were somewhat constrained by the Church. Additionally, as someone who lived for years in Spain I was saddened by the way that some Spanish people have accepted this anti-Spanish view of their history and because of this have a mostly negative national outlook. That said, I love the podcast series and don't want to be too critical. I hope many more episodes are made! Thanks.

Carlos M. Dominguez

I thought that Mr. Cooper's portrayal of the opposing sides in this conflict were arguably fair; or certainly more fair than most historical portrayals have been in absolutely vilifying the Spanish and elevating the Aztec as has become the new normal. It seems inherently and tragically misguided to judge history through a 21st century lens. We are unqualified to judge the behavior of people far from our own time, but for to say that such behavior is only inappropriate in our own time. It seems only just to simply marvel at events as they transpired. This seems to be something that Mr. Cooper fundamentally understands. It is so profoundly appreciated.

Jaeger Saturnis

I thought it showed the Aztecs in a pretty awful light as well, to be fair.

Janko Altenschmidt

I was blown away by the quality of the production, the level of research and the craft of storytelling when I coincidentally stumbled upon the Maya and the Aztecs podcasts while in Mexico for a visit and looking for a way to understand the history better. I enjoyed many aspects of the podcasts from the detailed stories of the protagonists to the description of day to day of a time long gone - but what really blew my mind were the comparisons and broader picture how there was a "race" in development between Eurasia and the Americas after the continents were separated and how essentially Eurasia was interconnected and inventions would travel across the landmass - but not across the ocean. Really gave me a new perspective on things. Very well done!

Steven M. Frisby

You did a stellar job in explaining how isolated civilizations can progress unequally, both agriculturally and technologically, and also in providing a far more complete account of the fall of the Aztecs than most of us had in school. It is encouraging to see today's widespread revulsion over the brutality of the conquistadors, even in Mexico, where Cortez might have been considered a founding father. It raises hope that civilizations have some chance of progressing not just technologically, but morally, and that enough of us can learn from the past to make such misconduct unthinkable in the future. Unfortunately, human nature suggests that there will always be some few whose zeal for power, fame, or wealth overpowers their sense of our common humanity, and leads them to repeat the atrocities of the past. Our challenge today lies in recognizing such figures soon enough to keep them out of power.

Keivan Shalileh

Such a great episode, as all the other ones. One thing remained unexplained: Where did Cortés get his reinforcements and supplies from on his 2nd attack and siege of Tenochtitlan? Was it the Spanish crown?

Emanuel Nazareth

Another amazing documentary in this series, my favorite one so far. I found the poetry truly remarkable and haunting. "Like emeralds we gather the lovely songs. Sad is my heart, I am a singer. I sorrow because flowers are not gathered. Songs are not gathered, there where his home is. Only once shall they live upon the earth. Friends, let us still rejoice. Oh Friends, be not sad. It is true the earth is nobody's possession, none shall remain upon it. Feathers of quetzal are torn, paintings they are destroyed. Flowers they wither. Everything goes to his home. Only a brief moment we wander intoxicated besides you at your side oh giver of life. Everything goes to his home. Even flowers, even songs, oh what shall my heart do? In vein we have come to abide for a while upon the Earth. The earth is only a place of forgetfulness. In the end only our songs, our flowers will be remembered."