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Cipher said "what you gonna do about it?"

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Arell

W bender battle

CEIII

so glad I stayed up

Daniel Jacks

I ALREADY FINISHED MY FOOD ROSHI WHY'

Wsgyan

On my way to work thank you unc

Samsaknight X

My fav ep so far. Ep 5 might change that tho

Fendifvce

Seth is the funniest nigga in this show nn the boys 😭

Be-Like-Malc

The actor for Cypher is top tier 💯 He makes me hate him and love him at the same time.

FangYuan

The way Cipher moves, really awkward and odd. Even when he talks he's moving his jaw in an exaggerated manner. He gotta be a puppet himself

Co

Pube powers is wild. But it isn't the worst power. You could have 4 dicks

Be-Like-Malc

My theory is the guy in the tank is Godolkin and he ended up surviving the experiment from the first episode. The power he got from the V is to control people and he’s been using Cipher (a human) as his host/main body.

Fendifvce

yk im thinking about it being able to fly is cool, but rlly think only being able to fly. no super strength nothing else js flight lol idk y took me years to realize uu lowk need other things with flight

Manny

I think the person in the vault is Thomas Godolkin

PJ Rivera

Yo the bender jokes were killing me the gender bender vs blood bender

Casual

She finna be a bloodbender 😭

13

Why'd they think that's Soldier Boy? It's pretty clear it should be Thomas Godolkin from after he got bbq'd in ep1 right? And there's no shot Cipher's ability is mind control

Manny

What I think is Cipher made Marie think he didn’t have V in his blood; I think he projected that image in her brain.

Xemnas27

Bro I thought Marie was gonna pop Jordan there at the end 😭💀

NumiGhost

Wait That that's a good idea that he's literally a puppet himself.

justchattinn

are all 4 of them different sizes?😅

Cam Kaneki

“You get to fly and I get to play with Coochie hair!?” -Sheera

vesra

You know how terrifying it is to have someone being not only several steps ahead of you but they don’t react at all when you do find out something about them AND they also purposefully reveal more info you didn’t know? Yeah, Cipher gotta go, expeditiously!

vesra

It’s giving Ozymandias vibes from Watchmen. You try to tell Cipher you know his evil plan and try to stop him and he’s like “I already did it 35 minutes ago”.

Eduardo

the prevailing theory is that cipher is the dude in the tank (probably thomas godolkin) using his mind control abilities to puppet the body we see him with (a normal human, which is why there's no V) i also think, just like how neuman was marie's power taken to the next level, cipher is cate's power taken to the next level and we're gonna see her do the same thing as him by the end of the season

Kevs rey

I don't think Cipher have mind control powers, I think he has the same powers as Marie just more developed. this is crazy but I think cipher is Marie biological dad

local

Vought marketing team is the best part in this universe lmao

Jonathan Hart

No bullshit. Cypher is genuinely terrifying. Like worse than Homelander and Newman💀

Alexis Sullivan

Pretty sure that's Godolkin in the tank. We saw him in that fire in the lab in the first episode. He didn't inject himself like those other guys but the V probably got on him during the fire and gave him mind control powers and hes controlling Cipher from inside the tank which is insane because hes a very good distance away from the school and waa able to control both Cipher and Jordan at the same time. Peep how Cipher kept referring to people as puppets and meat suits, and just bags of blood. Because thats what human bodies are to him, meat puppets for him to control. Cipher I think is probably a relative of Godolkin, maybe his son like he said who happens to be human and is letting him use his body. So when he said "I saw you" I don't think he meant cameras, i think the cameras was a lie. I think he quite literally saw them cuz hes the old man in tank and opened his eyes. Also, I suspect Marie might be able to manipulate blood enough to give people power WITHOUT needing compound V. If she can manipulate blood on a molecular level she could literally just rewrite someone's DNA and create powers without needing another substance like V, that's why he said the school was created to produce her: a supe who can create super powers from inside the body

Bria A.

I think it's less "his powers don't last long" and more "the pain Jordan's body was feeling was mirrored in him and he couldn't handle it". Which brings me to my next point -- Mostly convinced the dude in the tank is Godolkin with some kind of puppetry power and Cipher himself is just another puppet.

Indifferent Denji

Bro the out of universe stuff is amazing too their entire ig account and YouTube account just post in universe shi that vought totally make. Like commcercials and stuff

Isaac

The weakness of a telepath is a stronger telepath though mind control and mind reading are two different things but still stem from the mental telepathic wavelength shit. No wonder Kate couldnt read his mind. I also believe that Cipher might not be the actual one and is a proxy like Pain from Naruto or something. I think his 'father' might be the actual Cipher mind controlling that human body and he can extend his mind control from that body but extending it that way has limits. Just a thoery.

ProKnockz

We just gotta see straight asshole every episode💀

Fendifvce

emma saying the wire made her my favorite 😭😭😭

Derek Sanders

Theory: Cipher's dad, godolkin, is the burnt dude. Hes probably somehow the first supe without V and compound V is based off his blood.

Dark Shogun

I think Cipher's "father" has the power to control people. I think he's controlling the body of the Cipher and can control other people. I don't know if there's a time limit to the power. I think the reason he left Jordan was because Marie's power either knocked him out of Jordan or he felt that Jordan was close to dying.

George

He seemed surprised that he got kicked out of Jordan so I think Marie genuinely kicked him out because she was controlling Jordan's blood

Himindabank

They couldn’t call her ‘Bloody Marie’????

Jacob Livingston

Cipher really doesn’t have powers. His dad “goldkin” has the powers and is controlling him. That’s my theory at least. Makes the most sense how he wouldn’t have any V in his blood and why he’s keeping his dad alive, he’s just a “meat puppet”

Ashley Nkanga

I have a theory that the person in the tube has to be Thomas Godkin

Ashley Nkanga

Because they haven't shown Thomas Godkin's body from the previous episode and if I remember correctly, Marie's Aunt say in the photo as she was showing Marie , saying that that was Dr Gold who was holding her. So what I think is that Cipher and the person in tube is thomas godkin and they might be possibly related or the person in the tube is using Cipher as a mind control vessel.

Ashley Nkanga

So maybe there's a possibility that Cipher might be using Marie, to help try to make a new body for the person in the tube or we recreate the person in the tune.

Cool The Wrathful

Wait, Sheera actually might be onto something. Who’s to say Compound V is the only way to make ppl with super abilities? It is a big world out there and technology does diversify more with time

Paulothy

Makes sense why he would have powers with no V in his blood. The old guy in the secret room could be the real body

BigAL96_

08:30 It was dumb and stupid. She/He should have never done that speech.

Tancho24

Ladies must be eating today, cypher yams detected

Lamaree Jackson

Marie’s mom was given an already fertilized egg right? It wasn’t the dad’s sperm? What if she’s Stan Edgar’s daughter and she’s his long game to fuck shit up

Ekko08

Cypher literally put a generator in Marie's back, but based on his actions this episode this is going along with his plans 😭

A.

do you think cipher is being puppeteered about by the old man in the tank? that would explain him not being a supe.

sol jam

Nope he definitely could have kept doing it, he just wanted the real Jordan to feel the pain and scare Marie more, I think this isn't the real Cipher I think the old man in that chamber is the real Cipher and it's actually Thomas Godlokin after he survived the accident in the first episode because Cipher said Thomas Godolkin wanted to keep making strong supes so it doesn't make sense if he died before compound V became a success otherwise he couldn't make supes

A.

still great, tbh. i'd love to fly around just me by myself, doing nothing to help anyone else.

Lucky_Icarus

I'm really interested to see what the endgame of Odessa is. I like the "make the strongest supe a permanent body for Cipher" theory but if I can recall correctly, considering the fact that the Odessa plans were found in a fucking Nazi and KKK memorabilia room, I think Odessa being a bisexual black woman kinda fucks that theory over.

iibreezy2x

No the way cipher right eye twitched when Marie said stronger than homelander. Yo homelander is finally on his way out

iibreezy2x

They think all sups have super strength is funny asf. Sheera said cipher strong asf because the cate arm in the blender thing is crazy.

iibreezy2x

They literally hinted at this bro

A.

I'm just confused about daisy-chaining the puppetry from cipher to jordan. how many levels deep can this go?

Ayanda Mpofu

Cipher is a different type of scary bro😂.

The Uprising

pretty sure the boys already confirmed all supes have unhuman strength and hearing it just comes with whatever power you get

CAM

They had a trailer from vought tv on TikTok it was hilarious 😂

iibreezy2x

Yes buts its levels to it. Like cate is slightly more durable than a human. She literally got folded from Jordan air push thingy. They still weak asf. They’re not even bullet proof level.

The Uprising

especially because the first scene of this season shows him passing out near a fire and it looks like a crispy body to me

Zanni

Sam's imaginary puppets were talking about him "grabbing a woman who was screaming for her boyfriend". I just realized they were talking about Kimiko😭 at the end of The Boys

Nico

Cipher’s actor is so good, this man makes me uncomfortable with just a LOOK, I would have jumped so high when he started yelling at the start of the episode

Bria A.

I'm begging them to never do it, it's corny as hell, even for The Boys universe

Seibahhh

I think the old dude in the chamber is ciphers real body and the cipher we know is just some human he controls and thats why theres no V in his blood

Bobby Koboi

No the guy in the freezer is controlling cypher that’s my guess

Xemnas27

Bush hair powers is crazyyyy bro. This fkn universe man 🤣

Diggs

Everyone in the comments is saying the same theory and all saying it's theirs.

A.

I can't speak to everybody, but i think the show is heavily leaning that way so everybody thinks it's true and came to the comments without reading them first. of course if it's so obvious, it could be a red herring.

Diggs

Yeah I think it's true and we have been getting constant hints about it. I just found it funny that there were so many comments about it

Naiz

i have a theory, i think ciphers dad might be Thomas. remember ep 1 when the scientist died/burnt in the lab, maybe he got some V in him them which lets him puppet people but he cant use his own body which is why he's using cipher hence why he doesn't have v. Also we just seen cipher control Jordan and talk to cate at the same time.

KingdorismHD

I was right about cipher and I had 5 mfs saying no

LelaniG

35:40, WHY??

Sne Msomi

Interesting conclusion, it’s not like they new which baby would survive

N

jordans kinetic powers are pretty strong though even against stronger supes

Himindabank

lol cornier than “Dogknott” or even “Firecracker”, “The Deep”🤣🤣🤣

Duda

What if Cypher is not Cypher? What if this guy walking around is also just a meat sack and that is why they do not sense V in him? Because the real Cypher is the guy in the chamber?

Gwyn

10:15 "You get to fly and I play with coochie hair?!" 🤣

Denovis

I have theory, that the body they found in his house is real Cypher, and he's just using other body. That would explain why there is no gen V in that body

Nico

Anyone else catching that Jordan always switches to their male form whenever they wanna be intimidating/angry/make a point, very nice detail for them.

Nico

I love how hateful Emma is to Cate, she was making me laugh so hard this episode

monokuma

i mean if you thought of it without knowing anyone said it before you’d say it’s your theory too.

l

"im pussy, ight bet" - cipher

Devin B

Honestly Cipher should've been a main villain in The Boys because so far he's been more terrifying than Homelander with how calculated he is

Itanna

I like this theory

TheInfiniteMan

He wasnt thought of until gen v. gen v is a full original spin off

Devin B

I know, I'm just saying his character is big enough to be in the OG show

CuteAdorableDog

wait that burnt body is Godolkin how did I not realize

Be-Like-Malc

I mean he looks like he could be Dave Chappell’s son… Makes sense 😂

King Zerø

My guess is that Cipher is the guy in the chamber controlling the other guy. Who is to say that you can't control someone through another person. Like reading the mind of someone who is reading someone else's mind.

King97

That's a good idea

Jo Jo

Cipher is 100% the old guy the weird machine and he's mind controlling the current Cipher who is a a regular human, which is why Marie doesn't sense V in him. I think his goal is to buff up Marie in training and then control her to transfer his original self into his current Cipher body. No wonder this dude is so weird, he's been a puppet this entire time!

Derrick B

My guess is that they want to make Marie able to remove the compound v from other supes.

GojosHoho

This isn't... the wire?😂😂💀 and Emma like 🫣

GojosHoho

Jordans powers are indestructibility, super strength and...testosterone??💀😂😂alright bro

Ryley Alger-Hempstead

I think Marie really is a Blood Bender, in the ATLA sense. Kinda like Amon in Legend of Korra, since compound V is what gives dupes their powers and compound V is in the blood, she could probably take away someone’s powers. And maybe she can transfer that compound V to another person, controlling who has what powers

Jamaal Ellison

@3:51 "One of the good ones" coming from a black man is nasty fucking work.🤣

GojosHoho

Meat puppet powers is crazy 😭😭 he gots to go rn. If your born a super hero will there still be v in the blood 🤔 ion like what he got going on

GojosHoho

Dick and balls cam count : probably like 37💀💀

Jamaal Ellison

The writers are Justin Roland and Dan Harmon levels of weird.

Risk

BRU WHY WONT IT WORK I CANT WATCH IT MY ACT WONT LET MEEEE

Sed

Ok what I got from that ending is basically Cipher wants Marie to get strong enough to fix the burnt body so that he can transfer back into his original body and the current cipher is basically a meat puppet hence why when he stabbed himself in the hand he said you have no idea what you’re dealing w. Polarity could’ve killed him then and there and he would just transfer to another body become dean and continue on like nothing happened

Jamaal Ellison

The writers got some insane fetishes they're working through in these episodes.

D.J Patterson

Did you just sheeragan the rest of the season?

T

I agree. He is interesting to watch.

Sed

It auto activated soon as she healed her sister

Unsaidrumble

That would actually make sense

Joni A

Ayoo, the very first scene makes a lot of sense now. The scientist all used Compound V and Godolkin was there too, he probably is Cipher. The old burnt body is the original body that got burned in that incident.

Joni A

Marie pointed that out earlier.

Sed

Yessirski and then the sex scene was strange at first cuz I was like why they staring into each other’s eyes but then it makes sense and even when cipher is taking care of godolkin there’s just a certain lack of emotion and care involved. What really triggered my sheeragan was when we fed the body. It seemed very uncaring almost like it was just routine. There was no care behind the intent just preservation

Mike A

Someone else mentioned it, but it's possible the Cipher we see walking around is just a human meat puppet the real Cipher is controlling. He said it was his dad, but it's probably him. The reason he could only control Jordon for a little bit is he's already expending a bunch of effort controlling the Human Cipher. Marie can't detect the V in his blood cause it's just a human puppet. It's also why Cate can't read his thoughts. He knew Cate was in his house cause he saw her, it wasn't cameras.

EFFect_Phantom

Haven't read the comment yet but I bet it's gas‼‼

GojosHoho

That's what I started thinking too. Originally when he couldn't stay long in Jordan's body but when Jordan told Cipher that they could feel he was constantly in pain I was like oh my God he's that avocado looking dude 😭 . Theyre so lucky that Ciphers power is already being strained😭 because that is honestly one of the most OP Powers I've seen up here. Like dude could literally be able to kill anyone‼️without a trace 😭

EFFect_Phantom

Read it after the episode and I was kinda thinking something Similar. You may be cooking here 🤔🤔

EFFect_Phantom

My theory is that Cipher has the same blood bending powers as Marie, he just has complete control over it to the point where he can completely control someone's body, kinda like ATLA but to the extreme. The way he talks about Her powers throughout the episodes, it's like he has experience. That's why he asked her if she knew just how her powers work. I think Sheera may be cooking too, I never even thought of the possibility of a natural born supe or a supe completely void of V 🔥🔥

valiantselene

My theory is either Cipher was made with something other then V or he is being controlled by the person in the tank residing in his home. Making him the puppet and maybe the end of the season Cipher might break from the control to show his not really evil.

Adrian Locke

“Pronouns: he/she/liar” is nuts

Adrian Locke

Timeout I’m only 20 minutes in but nigga is that Godolkin in the shit in Cipher’s house???

General Grevious

Cipher is a pretty cool villian, we got a gooch view from him and somehow he’s still scary😂

Jake McGrevey

I might be wrong but i was pretty sure that the guy in the tank is godolkin, and his power is that he controls other peoples bodies. So hes looking after his burnt self with his controlled body

Skiddy Skiddz

bushmaster... not to be confused with the moon knight villian with the same name 😂

Vinne

Im done bro 😭😭

Vinne

New chappell roan album name just dropped

Corey Leach

I think Cipher has mind control abilities. It's why he's able to block Cate out and he probably made Marie think he had no compound V in his system. I jus looked up what cipher means and it says a person with no power and is used to carry out another person's orders. So, I think he's jus doing things what his father tells him to do.

Atlas Creation

I think makes up for all the times we’ve seen boobs in shows and suggestive anime shots in our entire lifetimes

Raider

4:05 Coilette/Bender from Futurama

BlueMop91

Y sheera keep looking to the side?

Jman

that mf does look like dave chapelle 😭😭😭😭

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