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Young Justice 4x18 (Patreon)

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2022-04-15 02:40:55
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Back on New Genesis!

SN: lol why they had to name this kid Amistad tho?

Comments

Dude559

Roshi did NOT just call the OG Flash's costume trash... LUPA SMACK HIM OR SOMETHING

Dude559
>>82122272

Dunno about his original depiction since i barely know him... But yeah he does show traits. Monotonous voice and cadence, stickler to rules, unusual display of emotions (agression due to claustrophobia). Using certain repetitive stimuli to calm himself (the motherbox, which in this case seems to function similarily to a emotional support animal/tool)

von

They made orions voice deep as shit 😂😂

Michael Pamon

Thanks to the ending of this episode I’ve finally figured out what the first letter of each episode will spell out by the time the season is over *POSSIBLE SPOILERS !!!** Invitation To Kneel Before Zod

Jazko

Yeah i know I know, I understand you don’t like Jampacking your schedule. But TOMODACHI GAME is a must watch!! Let’s see if your ocular ninjutsu is strong enough!!! This will be a great trio reaction

Kazumasa

Man why they make rocket so fine in this show got me thirsting over a cartoon

Bosastar

Wild reveal at the end🤯

Beef Gristle Mill

My memory is trash, is rocket the one that had to fix the whole in her baby's heart and did that super serum shit to it or whatever that was.

mitch anderson

Well, now we know what this season's titles spell out

Jazko
>>81942665

Well that perfectly fits with one of my theories. Zod will escape with Connor possibly... Edit: I finished the episode. I sniped this in one of my comments in the previous episode. It was pretty much obvious he would encounter Zod but I didn't think they will introduce Zod's child from the Phantom Zone also.

gamerman1902

If Orion is a part of this arc, I hope we get to see Mister Miracle

Devin B
>>81942665

I always thought the last three letters might spell out God but Zod would be an interesting twist

Chuzo
>>81942903

Nah bro thats bumblebee/ Karen! Rocket is icons sidekick yk black superman

Bosastar

Lol we all know who his dad is

Adrian Valiente

I was also confused by the white martian being in the hive's cave

Earphone Jack

This was a fantastic start to Raquel’s arc! And I love how they showed how Raquel wasn’t dealing the fact that her son has autism and needs help. That’s actually a real issue, especially in the black community. I’m really glad they’re shedding light on it. I’m also starting to see parallels between Amistad and Orion as both of them have conditions that they need help for.

Omegas18

Orion is the son of Darkseid and he was who Megan's brother was disguised as last season. Dru-Zod is the new version of Zod in DC Comics (Black Representation) and was first seen in live action in the Krypton TV Series on FX

Rio

This season the show is being very weird and vague about the timelines. But the best way to keep track is to look at the timestamps when they show a location it has the date there. But yeah the keep jumping around and not everything is being shown in a linear way.

Rocksolo

Y’all know it tell you the date and time on the show if y’all confused about the The Martian thing 😂💯

bob

The way this show is going, I'm surprised that Forager wasn't revealed as a Pansexual this episode.

KyleForged
>>81942903

I had the same thought but when watching her interact with her Ex Im like unless Mal got fucked up in the last year this isnt him

Michael Pamon

Yeah, Maelfeak (or however you spell it) was disguised as Orion last season. And the Martian that tampered with the cell could’ve been him or another white Martian, remember he had hella white Martian followers during M’gann and Conner’s arc in the beginning of this season.

Keonja Hazel

Oh shit I just remember something remember when in Mars the legion was looking for another time traveler whom destroyed their time sphere. And lor lor zod is also using a time sphere this mf is from the future

Chuzo

Wait lor zod as in the son of- lemme shut up with my potential comic spoilers

Chuzo
>>81944053

Also they made general zod a nigga i fux with that lol

Michael Pamon
>>81943888

YJ has always been like that tho. A lot of plots in certain episodes of every season are presented nonlinearly, for example the episode in season one where the Team all find out about Conner, Artemis and M’gann’s secrets. Last season too, the episode where we find out Batman Inc, the League and the Team are working together in secret.

R'Mani Leavell

18:40 There go Roshi and Lupa sharing that single brain cell LMAO

Davon Thomas

Zod about to be the final villian that carries over to the next season, as they rescue superboy. Leading into a crazy final season 5 with Zod and Darkseid

Chimpman
>>81944053

Lor-zod could be bi-racial. General Zod is still anything until we see what he looks like out of the zone tbh.

Jazko
>>81943774

It was actually pretty scary how similar my brother acts to Amistad. My parents also refused to address this issue at first like Rocket as well.

rickie woodson

amistad has so many meanings. in spanish it means friendship. historically its the name of a slave ship where the slaves revolted so its like naming your kid "freedom" or "badass". works for me

Jazko
>>81943970

Will that hamper the show? Nope. So whats your point

Beef Gristle Mill
>>81942903

Yeah I kept wondering what happened to Mal, but thanks to the first person for clearing up the confusion.

CJ Dennis

Yep a lot of people cracked the code on what the title was spelling out and where Connor was lol. It's good that Rocket is finally getting a chance in the spotlight as those of us that haven't read milestone comics know very little about her and Icon (Although they seem to chance her voice actress every season lol). Orion's father I know about due to the DCAU and I think it's interesting that the DCAU also tackled the whole Foragers people being considered bugs by the New Gods, except there they were more human looking and not actual bugs.

rickie woodson

you cant tell me fate aint real. im sitting here watching this and my autistic brother is visiting me. wasnt even planning to get him this weekend but my mom needed the break and here we are watching this ep with an autistic kid. KISMET. my brother is far less developed so he cant verbalize himself like amistad but he has the same mannerisms. things have to be done a certain way, especially his clothes. two pants and shirt always tucked in...his underwear lol. thats my baby boy :) they also recently did an autism visability day in my city that i saw on the news today. thursday is just poppin with the representation

Katame
>>81944803

She needs to use that magic to make the autistic pain in the ass disappear

Devin B
>>81943774

Any parent don't want to admit that something could possibly be wrong with their child when it's obvious something is wrong. They want to believe that their child is normal and tend to not face the reality of the situation in the beginning. They can only do so much until they come to terms with what is happening and eventually get pass that stage of denial and face the issue head on. Young Justice really portrayed that situation very well imo.

Chuzo
>>81944053

I expected zod to be white but then i heard his voice and saw his features mans is definitely black he could still be anything tho but it has been a good chunk of black characters this season and knowing how this show is with being open minded to diversity its safe to say he is

Ranginald Vagel

It would have been funny if Karen and Malcolm’s baby was the one with autism and she had to struggle with the possibility that she caused that by messing with her genes.

CJ Dennis
>>81945229

Having diverse representation including people with Autism does not mean the same thing as being woke lol.

rickie woodson

lor zod...interesting they went with him instead of val zod aka black superman. lor-zod was lois and clark's adopted son before the new 52. he had a stint as superboy, superman and nightwing (nightwing getting his name from a kryptonian hero). i actually thought it was going to be the monitor from countdown with that hair style and sphere ship

rickie woodson

lor zod was the major surprise for me. already know my new gods lore of them trading bio sons as a peace treaty. thought/hoped instead of the phantom zone it would be bgztl

Kisuke01

Why did I think Superboy was in heaven for a second when he was looking out of the window

Blackbulls6

Dude has an interesting origin in the comics

Lord Of Frog's Congolese Uncle

this might be the best arc in the season depending on wether or not nightwing’s leans into under the red hood

Joseph
>>81944803

Tf is wrong with you? You must be a sour ass bitch who gets no love to be that insensitive

Beef Gristle Mill

I've read all of injustice up til injustice 2 and Ares also had red eyes and was son of the highfather (I think, it's been a while) so I was thinking Orion was his son.

Shin splits

Dude I’m convinced Wally is alive and in the phantom zone. He had the same style has Zod when he was shown. Like dude I’m going fucking crazy over this

Nardoc

Roshi they had to put Dog of War for Orion so Kratos doesn't show up to clap them all. He hates gods

lana

Conner seeing Zod the same way he saw Wally.....is that a coincidence????

Brian-EL

After seeing this episode I'm near definitely sure they're spelling INVITATION TO KNEEL BEFORE ZOD... well actually I was sure when Phantom Girl warped Conner to the Phantom Zone, and the season is called Phantoms... so they've been smacking us in the face with it since the first episode this season WHO was coming, but still...

Brian-EL
>>81943774

As a person on the autistic spectrum myself (Aspergers), I agree with these comments.

Metweet .c

Is the Dog of War guy also representing a spectrum of autism with the mother box acting as a stabling stimulus for him.

Thatguywiththeface
>>81950853

Good catch, I think so too. Rocket is gonna feel like an asshole when she picks up on that. But maybe the experience will help her deal with her family situation.

Metweet .c

Honestly rockets ex husband seems to have accepted her sons autism considering he prepared the cars the way he knows his son likes. Whereas Rocket is trying to ignore it with the whooly hat things were she obviously lied about trying to hide it. Hopefully this mission will help her accept her son is autistic and there's nothing wrong with that. Kinda sad how the Dog of War guys mother is much more understanding of her son than rocket is...still annoyed rocket called him a monster tho lol

Mithrell
>>81954101

I think that's gonna be Rocket's personal character arc this time around. She's very much in denial so interacting with Orion probably will help her become more open about how her own son is neurodivergent.

CJ Dennis

It's good to hear Phil Morris again, he's played in all kinds of DC material.

CJ Dennis
>>81943774

Devin B yes that's exactly what they portrayed especially with the scene where she defends her son after telling him not to be rude.

Coatl45
>>81943774

It’s especially hard for parents with demanding jobs and busy, fluid schedules. She wants to be able to do what she can, but she’s also got to do her job.

LeFlaneur

So Orion is on the spectrum right? And Mcoom is so trash, I really need him to die horribly by the end of the season.

LeFlaneur

So Orion is light skin when he’s calm and becomes dark skin when he’s mad 😂 who let Tyler Perry in the editing room?

LeFlaneur
>>81947017

Preferred the first 2 arc, there’s so much happening now feels disjointed and messy, big season 3 vibes. Also feel we won’t get Raven this season 😞

Dude559

i am mind blown in the fact that they're bringing in ACTUAL Zod here...

Tyler

Didn't Rocket mess with her baby's DNA in season 3, I think?

Michael Pamon

Just thought about something….Remember when Conner saw Wally a few episodes ago? He was also a phantom just like Conner and Zod. It’s very possible Wally is also in the Phantom Zone (though I’d much rather he’d be in the Speed Force discovering it for the first time)

Brandon L Thomas
>>81970345

Wally definitely isn’t in the phantom zone. For one, the interaction would’ve kept going if he was there. While I personally firmly believe he’s dead, maybe if Greg comes around to the idea of the speed force, that’d be different, but at this point that’d be kind of silly.

Michael Pamon
>>81970345

@Brandon idk man it was way too specific of them to show Wally in phantom form while showing Clark, M’gann and Lex in solid form. And nah I still firmly believe Wally ISN’T dead, simply because his “death” mirrored Barry’s in Crisis on Infinite Earth’s, and we all know death in comics is never permanent.

Michael Lopez-Zayas

Anyone else peep that clayface is up for League membership?

Brandon L Thomas
>>81970345

By the same notion, Connor believing he might be dead (along with the girl) and knowing Wally is dead could feed into the notion of why Wally was in a “phantom form”, as he has no idea HE is in phantom form. We don’t know. And regardless, again if Wally really was there, he wouldn’t have just vanished and in the same scene, in the same breath suddenly have Lex speaking to him instead This regarding superheroes, I’m never going to count out the possibility of a hero coming back for narratives sake. I’m just saying it wouldn’t be the phantom zone and it wouldn’t have been the speed force (as the creator of the show is clearly against that idea). Not saying he’d never come back, just that it’d be a different way. That also being said, while that’s true overall that heroes come back, it’s not true to individual stories and for other universes. In some Batman really died. In some Wolverine really died. It’s just the character is always coming back in a different story at some point. So of course we’ll see Wally again. It probably won’t be in this show. We’ll see though

LeFlaneur
>>81977095

It’s not Clayface, it’s Swamp Thing. EDIT: Oh actually it is Clayface, clappy-di-clap 🙃

Mozart Waddell

I wonder are they about to introduce Super Boy Prime storyline

Tim Chaos
>>81970345

If Wally is there, it's likely he has zone sickness or whatever too, so he could have thought Conner was a hallucination or be trapped in a similar nonsense dream himself

JulianV

the memorial tag was for an actor who was in the pilot and played the main evil scientist at cadmus, he was best known for playing Odo on Star Trek DS9

MetsuMonsta

Lol this season gone end with a brawl between Superman, Zod, and Darkseid. And Sheera and Roshi wild talking about what’s wrong with Rocket like really?! yeah dudes claustrophobic but he was about to run up and fold her and y’all talkin bout let him out. Then you wondering why she don’t want to talk to him, like dude literally just hulk raged out on her wtf are YALL talking about lol. Let’s see you try to calmly approach a rage monster with the title Dog of War and assess the situation with no issue after experiencing that. Of course it’s not his fault but yo show Rocket some empathy at least

Abdel Elyoussoufi

The got clapped not even 30 seconds in 😂😂😂😂😂

CJ Dennis

Why are there bunch of people in comments confusing Rocket with Bumblebee 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

Austin Friley

I haven’t watched y’all’s thing of this episode but we can all agree that Orion is also autistic right?

OD

question, was rockets kid the kid whos dna was altered by that one lady who shrinks? (i barely remember them names lol)

Serg
>>81947017

I honestly think this season is doing much better than Outsiders.

Serg
>>81944803

I assume you're parents didn't give you much attention Katame?

Asellian

nigga get jay garrick off the justice league that dude old as fuck lol

Yanpo

Now I wonder if Darkseid is secretly claustrophobic.

Tyler Cauthen

I find it very funny that Roshi and Lupa thought Val Zod looked like Killmonger because there were rumors or maybe there's still hope that Michael B. Jordan would end up playing that character in a future DC movie or show. The show artists were probably going for a close resemblance to Jordan 100%

Isaac

Y'all confusing bumblebee with rocket in the comments is killing me slowly...

Skye
>>81944053

lor zod looks like the guy that tampered with the bomb that took out conner.

Chuzo
>>81944053

For sure that definitely was him he was even in the same little bubble device

Lamaree Jackson

Too many black characters for y’all to keep track of in the comments?? Smh

Isaac Cobbinah
>>81990695

lol calm down, they were just upset because after it was explained to rocket the reason for his outrage, she was taking her sweet as time to let him go

Isaac Cobbinah
>>81943700

lol im surprise someone like lupa who said he knows a lot of dc shit, dont realize that darksied and highfather exchanged sons to preserve peace

MetsuMonsta
>>81990695

Lol bro there’s no need for me to calm down cuz I’m not upset. I’m just confused on what you want somebody to do when there’s literally a “new god” charging at you with a fist full of rage. She took her time cuz dude was still mad and swinging all over the place, I wouldn’t let him go either. They should’ve calmed him down first then she let the bubble go

MetsuMonsta
>>81990695

Yeah a cartoon with real world aspects put inside. I guess you think autism is fake too dipshit lmao. I’m sorry I don’t mean to be rude but tryna belittle my statement just cuz is well… irritating

Henry Temaj
>>82003201

Joan ain't there to kill him lol R.I.P. "Joans gonna kill me just for putting on the tin hat"

Christopher Charles

So Rocket gonna have kid with autism while Bumblebee gets to genetically enhance hers with superpowers.

Jay Voorhees

Wish they knew more Dc lore these references would hit way better but its fine either way

Jay Voorhees

Orion is Darkseid’s son, Highfather’s son is Mister Miracle they swap sons to create peace between the new gods, he’s claustrophobic because of Granny Goodness cube torture

Kollie123
>>81943774

I’m glad the show is apparently handling this topic well, always nice to see

Didier
>>82108151

Was Orion really claustrophobic in the original comics? Because I have no recollection of that at all.

Didier
>>82001527

I hate what DC did to him in this animated version. In Kirby's comics, he was a savage badass.

Didier

So this is the first time we finally get a real introduction to the New Gods and this is how it is done? For a fan of Jack Kirby's Fourth World, I find this adaptation to be extremely disappointing. Highfather sounds like a clown, Orion sounds like a tight ass bureaucrat with asthma, and those larvaes with anime eyes look gay as fuck. When you read the original Kirby comics, the story gets often so intense and epic that it feels like a religious experience (I personally think it IS a religious experience). Jack Kirby never tried to judge violence, he understood it as part of Life. Without darkness, there is no light. Here everything feels so watered down, bland and pompously moralizing, like always with the DCU. Look at that intro with the autistic kid, you can feel the show is trying to appeal to your pathos and feed on it like an emotional parasite. It's some Steve Urkel-tier level of family show genericness. Bruce Timm is the only DC animator who more or less understood Jack Kirby, he would have been perfect for this. Without Timm in command, DC animated shows are basically trash.

Didier

If you guys love DC so much, why don't you watch Green Lantern The Animated Series? It's literally the best DC animated show ever made imo. This show created such loyal Green Lantern fans. I had never read a Green Lantern comic prior to it, but after watching it I loved it so much I jumped on the whole volume 1 of Green Lantern from the 60's to the 90's and read all 200+ issues in a few months (it wasn't really a good idea ahah). And from the testimonies I got online, it had the same effect on a lot of people. Bruce Timm knew what he was doing and this show is criminally underrated (I think the reason is because the shitty movie adaptation gave Green Lantern a stinky rep). Cartoon or not, it was hands down one of the best space operas I've ever watched.

Totally Thomas
>>82122508

It was the animated series that got me hooked on Green Lantern and is very underrated; not just as a show but as a character overall.

CJ Dennis
>>82122508

Giancarlo Volpe was the main show runner for GLTAS, Bruce Timm was the executive producer. Nevertheless, it was a great show that ended too early. Green Lantern has such a rich 80 year history, had that show continued for more than one season it probably would have been epic.

CJ Dennis
>>82122508

It is super funny that you mentioned GLTAS given the next episode lol.

Didier
>>82122508

Bro, we were like 2 hipsters talking about GL TAS being underrated to find out a week later that Young Justice did a tribute to the show, and everybody is talking about it now lmao. This gotta be the weirdest synchronicity ever.

Didier
>>82122272

And to people who think I'm mistaken about the moralizing : Superheroes comics were created by Jewish immigrants to express their fears of xenophobia, so of course superheroes material was always preachy and moralizing in some way or another. But kirby had a particular vision. The "evil" that Darkseid represented was "Control", not violence. The Anti-Life equation crystalized this notion as it nullified the willpower of its victims. The message of Kirby was that without free will, there is no Life. Wether your actions have positive or negative consequences on the World, it will be your own decision to make, you're free to chose as impersonal control only corrupts what it touches. As you can see, it went further than the generic "Love is good, Hate is bad" rethoric and was actually a better criticism of fascism than most superheroes comics. Real fascism is the authority to dictate other people how they should think and behave, not just some "muh racism bad" or "muh intolerance always leads to genocide" Nietzschean slave morality bullshit (Hello Isayama). In the original comics, the people living on New Genesis were openly discriminatory against the "Bugs". Kirby may have challenged their point of view later in the story, but he never blamed his characters for their opinions. In fact he even gave us a tutorial on how to act when you're confronted to discrimination as a foreigner : the Bugs changed the New Gods' opinion about them by fighting by their side. You earn the people's trust by proving your worth, not by enforcing some liberticide laws upon them. People may have a biased opinion towards you because of your origins at first but ultimately over time they will always judge you by your actions.

Weekly Flo
>>82122272

IK this is a week old, but I'm not gonna let you sit here and let you call anything that isnt Bruce Timm's work, trash. Bruce Timm would be disappointed in you for saying the hard work that the people put into their shows is trash. The people making Young Justice are making their own universe and are developing their own stories SEPERATE from the rest of the pre-established continuity. I advise you to please take the Rose tinted glasses off or the green ones in this case and watch and try and appreciate what this show is trying to do, instead of compare it to another show with an entirely different angle. They are taking the WHOLE of the DC universe and trying to make a show that fleshes out however possible the characters it has at its disposal AND some new ones. And considering your comment... if you haven't noticed, that's the angle they are trying to take with ROckets character. SHe clearly has a LOT to unlearn and relearn about autism and interactions with people, because not only is it affecting her family DIRECTLY but making decisions on a galactic and universal scale. It's clear that Orion is autistic and that she is struggling trusting him bc of his origins, but she lacks the perspective of seeing how you must understand people THROUGH specific perspectives to understand and cooperate with them best. Again. I get it that youre a big Bruce Timm GLAS fan, but appreciate that something like this exists and enjoy the fact that it's available. The writers are trying their best to make a compelling story with so many thru-lines of different arcs, plots, and characters, all while being attentitve to MODERN issues. Just like how the origin of some comics were about Jewish migrants and their issues, these writers and directors are uplifting stories, lives, and scenarios that are important to them and many others. SO please have some respect.

CJ Dennis
>>82122272

Is Orion autistic? I don't think that's what they are alluding to.