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This demon was either trash or Tokito was overleveled lol

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Erick

Been waiting😈

Jackson perez

Finally. Also its a mix of a lot of things, Muichiro is just stronger than Tengen, and the mark is a massive powerup

Euphoria Cutie

Tokito was over leveled. The mark boost he got made him super powerful and that’s why he took out gyokko. Plus tokito has an advantage over gyokko with his mist breathing making it harder for the upper moon to track his movements. Also, tokito is like the 5th or 6th strongest hashira far better than tengen the sound hashira.

Gary Dorne

Don’t gloss over the fact that Muichiro, who is 14, just solo’d Upper 5. It took Uzui and the main trio to take out Upper 6. Muichiro when he’s serious is leagues above them

DevilMayCarter

So what do you get when you add Yu_Gi-Oh, Pokemon, Darkstalkers and the Midas Touch? Whatever it is, still not better than this episode. Also, don't be broke.

Nicole Guerrero

Muichiro was straight up bullying gyokko 💀

Ultra Lit

Upper 6 makes upper 5 look like a bitch lmao. That wannabe mermaid was trash bruh 💀.

TheHud257

Muichiro was already really strong but the mark pushed him over the mark against gyokko

DatKid_Kaneki

muichiro is quite literally HIM, but still gyokko is lowk weak he just v good with intel

꧁The Artist ꧂

As much as i dislike gyokko he's still upper moon 5. Tokito was just HIM

CACTUSJEET

I'm pretty sure that muichiro is 16-17, tanjiro mentioned that they're around the same age

Emerys

Muichiro is just him by that much plus gyokko was cocky and wasn’t taking it serious until it was way too late

Joshua Burns

Tokito is one of the top hashira as it is so that Mark just made him insane

Kablamoo101

after rereading the manga after this arc is gonna be so good i cant wait

Mari

I’ve seen people say the upper 6 Gyutaro was stronger than him but because Daki was with Gyutaro he was basically being held back

Cc.Rin4456

muichiro is just him, upper 5 is still strong asl, hes only like 15 too i believe

Luffy_77

Tokito is HIM don't even question it especially since that mark gives them a HUGE power boost, also for clarification, if I'm not mistaken, Tokito is like 14 years old

YoungSalsa

Idc if Muichiro stronger, that upper moon felt like ass

Kurumi

u could say Tokito was overleveled lmao. Like yea Gyokko looks trash but he is actually strong. The boost you get from the mark is pretty crazy on top Tokito being a prodigy it was just an unfortunate match up

Davon Thomas

This whole arc is a very underwhelming arc even in the manga. So it isn't the show making it seem like the upper moon was weak or that the demon slayers are strong its just poorly written.

Rab2l

It's 100% because the mark is OP, the Tengen slander needs to stop. Examples of the mark being OP, Tanjiro failing to kill a weakened Upper Moon 6 vs killing him at full strength once he got his mark. Him also barely being able to keep up with Upper Moon 4, getting his mark then speed blitzing them. Muichiro lost round 1 against Upper Moon 5 when he got trapped, and could barely stand after getting out; gets his mark all of a sudden he's immune to poison, faster and stronger

Savage Barbaren

He is actually 14 which makes him a young prodigy

Anthony Nguyen

To be fair muichiro is the juke master and gyokko's entire attack style is to punish you for defending because most of his attacks are unblockable (water prison, potentially turning your sword into fish, toxic skin poison, etc). It was a bad match-up because muichiro isn't about defensive blocks, he's all about agility and evasion

Frederick

Muichiro got that HIM movement 😤 Let him cook 👩‍🍳

Mervyn Larrier

A bit of both. Muichiro became a Hashira in a month after he joined the corps. Plus, his mark came in, which gave him an extra boost

Merfhew
>>110093430

As an anime-only viewer, that's the impression I got as well. I've been fairly unimpressed with the season story-wise. This episode felt like a step up from last week, at least for me, but that's still not saying much.

Euphoria Cutie
>>110093294

Gyokko is stronger than upper moon 6 you just forget that the mist hashira is way stronger than the sound hashira and he activated his mark which is a huge power boost.

danial javady
>>110093465

Tengen was extremely extremely skilled. If it weren't for how overpowered Gyutaro's poison was, he would've soloed UM6(which he almost did anyway at the start). When I finished the manga for the first time i thought Tengen was the weakest hashira. Now that years have passed and I've given it a more thorough pass, I realized the author has left so many subtle details for the reader to pick up on and appreciate. Tengen's strength is one of them.

Matt Teague

Upper 5 definitely could've been more of a problem and had a few chances to kill tokito but didn't. But also consider that tokito was amped up by the mark on his face, and that same mark allowed tanjiro to cut off gyutaro's head after he broke some of his fingers. Him fighting without that mark would've been way worse.

Devin B

It's definitely both. Obviously the mark made Tokito more OP than he already is but Gyokko was too conceited for his own good. If I had to compare him to Gyutaro I would say Gyutaro felt more demonic and threatening compared to Gyokko.

saylaa

muichiro also got the mark which was a boost but I feel like if the demon wasn't so cocky and didn't toy around with them as much maybe it would've had a different outcome just my opinion

Devin B
>>110093465

He fell for the trap because he had to protect Kotetsu and the other swordsmith from Gyokko's attack which poisoned him and made him moved slower than usual. Before that he was handling Gyokko's attacks just fine.

Magical Drinking

This season has honestly been pretty mid compared to the last two seasons.

danial javady
>>110092912

Tengen never said that Muichiro was stronger. Tengen said that Muichiro was a PRODIGY who became a hashira in an extremely short time. Tengen was talking about how DIFFERENT his journey was from Muichiro and that contrary to Gyutaro's beliefs, he wasn't some prodigy who was blessed and had everything come his way on a silver platter. (Being super gorgeous, 3 wives, amazing body, loved by everyone, super strong, etc...) At the end of episode 8 s2 we literlaly have Rengoku dialogue to Tengen that he could never be like Tengen because of how skilled Tengen was with his swordsmanship... As a ninja. These ar ethe subtle details left for the viewer to pick up on to realize that the scaling system of this series is actually a lot more intricate and detailed than many realize. It isn't superficial at all.

Boomerang Guy

I think Muichiro is just that strong. Pretty sure out of the 9 hashira Tengen is ranked like 8 while Muichiro is 4. Plus Muichiro has the mark which made him even stronger.

Euphoria Cutie
>>110093465

Tengen is one of the weaker hashiras. He didn’t unlock his mark in the fight and the mist hashira is far superior than the sound one even more so with the mark.

Dark KingJ

Believe it or not uzui was one of the weakest hashiras maybe second weakest to shinobu while mist guy is actually really strong given hes a descendent of the first user

danial javady
>>110093000

And yet all it would take is a single swipe from Gyutaro to kill Muichiro, given how overpowered his stupid poison was.

Jarron Taylor
>>110093430

No, muichiro is just one of the strongest demon slayers so it’s not that it’s written poorly at all because if they had struggled more than this with 4 and 5 then they’d have no chance against 3,2,1 and Muzan.

danial javady
>>110093294

Muzan himself said this, yes. That Daki was always holding him back and that she would end up being his down fall(which he did, prophesize, to be true)

Jonathan lelis

Muichiro definitely had an amnesia debuff, weapon stripped, and kinda winded for sure.

Euphoria Cutie
>>110092912

That doesn’t change the fact that muichiro is still far stronger than the sound hashira and he unlocked his mark.

Lightbane1905

Shaku (Japanese: 尺) or Japanese foot is a Japanese unit of length derived (but varying) from the Chinese chi, originally based upon the distance measured by a human hand from the tip of the thumb to the tip of the forefinger. Traditionally, the length varied by location or use, but it is now standardized as 10/33 m, or approximately 30.3 centimeters (11.9 in).

Hafakasi

You know what occurred to me you could say his Mist breathing is from the rage that “boils” up inside of him. 🤯 that’s what I’m going with, can’t change my mind 🤣

Eliezer De la Cruz
>>110093430

Completely agree with this statement. This arc is not as intense as the entertainment district. The next arc is going to be crazy though. The last three upper moons, they are the real deal.

Euphoria Cutie
>>110093430

It’s because the hashira from the entertainment arc isn’t on the same level as the mist hashira plus the mark he unlocked. That’s why it took 5 of them to take out upper moon 6.

danial javady
>>110092926

Well, we already have specs from the author herself, that are canonically stated. Tengen is physically the 2nd strongest hashira, second to the rock hashira. He is the fastest runner. He never got to reach his full potential(i won't go in to more detail here because spoilers). Muichiro, is a prodigy. But that isn't mutually exclusive nor conclusive that Tengen is weaker... at all. If it was Muichiro that night vs Gyutaro, the series would've ended and the protagonists lost. Tengen would've destroyed Gyokko. Gyokko is a fucking clown and is the most underwhelming upper moon of them all.

Euphoria Cutie
>>110092926

Yeah based off strength he’s second but that’s not all that matters. Everything put together tengen is one of the weaker hashira and didn’t unlock his mark. The mist hashira is like the 5th or 6th strongest. That’s also not true if it was the mist hashira that night instead of the sound then it would’ve been an easier fight even the serpent hashira said that upper moon 6 would’ve been easy for him. If tengen struggled against upper moon 6 he would’ve been destroyed in less than seconds against upper moon 5 there’s a reason he’s higher and it’s based on power.

Lemonkatze

tokito is 100% overleveled lol

Lemonkatze
>>110094351

homie is also trash but in the way that his human weaknesses got in the way of his full potential

Thunter

I think Gyokko or however you say his name is actually pretty strong. I mean he’s been around in the Upper Ranks for at least 115 years or something. I think the reason he didn’t put up much more of a fight is because he wanting a reaction from Tokito so took his time with him and was so amazed with his own powers. (Could also just be classic shounen where everyone pauses after every attack to explain what they just did) Whereas Tokita kinda toyed with him and when Gyokko pulled out his true form, that’s when Tokita went all out cause he knew he would’ve lost the advantage of the demon hyping himself up eventually. Idk I could be completely off but that’s just my too sense of it. I’m just a hype to see how strong Tokita is soloing an Upper Moon whereas it took Uzui, Tanjiro, Zenitsu, Nezuko and Inosuke just to take out 6

Earphone Jack

The Upper Moon 5 is a loser and I love that Muichiro trolled TF out of him lol.

Kingmakaii

In my opinion the fish nigga dying is that joy clone fault he literally blew that nigga over to him that is completely his fault he died 😭🤣

Hello

Tokito is overleveled lol. He's not only an omega level prodigy (soloed a demon at 11 with zero breathing style and hashira at 14), he is a descendant of the first breathing as stated a couple episodes which is important. Also Without spoiling much, I'll say that "mark" on tokito's face is the main reason he was able to snap on gyokko this much. If tengen had it for example, he probably would've soloed gyutaro. That mark is a big amp as you've probably noticed with tanjiro lol. As you saw before, base tokito kinda got destroyed by gyokko (though partly due to protecting kotetsu and that other guy) but the mark amp completely amped his stats drastically

Rab2l
>>110093465

It's hard to talk about Hashira's at this point in the anime, without falling into manga spoilers, but at this point in the show we've seen five Hashira have fights; six next week. Giyu and Shinbou fights who cares they were easy, Rengoku got dog walked by UM3, Muichiro only won because of his mark and Tengen who went toe to toe against UM6 while being poisoned the entire time. Every other hashira fight after his they have buffs he didn't have access to. And that's also forgetting his score ability, where he turns other peoples moves into songs so he can predict all incoming attacks

Devin B
>>110093262

Muichiro is the same age as Nezuko, both 14 and Tanjiro is 15

Jarren Jenkins

Gyokko was too arrogant and egotistical. He cared more about his art than actually killing people and getting on with what Muzan sent him to do lol.

Iggy

both lol

Jarron Taylor

I’d like to remind you guys that demons don’t die by just getting their head blown off or cut off, it specifically has to be from a NICHIRIN sword. Demons can’t kill each other so that’s why upper 2 regenerated his head when Akaza punched his head off

ab

Muichiro v Gyokko was pretty much xbox live lobbies in anime form

icynub

Tokito is strong and the mark makes him stronger Gyotaro upper 6 was strong as hell but like what muzan said Daki hold him back Upper five isn’t that strong he’s all about the talk tbh

Euphoria Cutie
>>110093465

Exactly why the mist hashira is superior than the sound. The sound hashira never unlocked his mark. Also, it’s canon that he’s one of the weaker hashiras anyways.

Johnwick

If it werent for the mark tokito wouldve gotten killed

ClayPM

To answer on kanroji's uniform showing her boobs, there's 2 reasons. 1) Fanservice 2) The uniform tailors Purposefully made tight lewd outfits for the female hashiras. Shinobu refused to wear it and put the fear of god in them so they stopped making it that way for her. Kanroji can't just say no and wanted to 'appreciate' the effort they put into making her uniform by wearing it. So the tailors are essentially taking advantage of this kindness to put her in 'lewd' clothing. Been sometime since i saw the manga but this should be the reason

Jarren Jenkins

Yooo! Tanjiro is NOT a descendent of 'The First Breathing' User(s) Don't let confuse you. Only Muichiro is a direct descendent, Tanjiro's family were TAUGHT Sun Breathing.

Aaliyah

Only stated once so I understand forgetting but demons can’t be killed by other demons, only demon slayers w the nichirin(?) sword slicing their heads off kills them!

꧁The Artist ꧂

66 shaku is about 20 yards according to the manga

Emerys

Muichiro is a problem remember uzi was gassing him up last season saying to gyutaro that if he thinks tengens blessed there’s people who are better than him in the hashira and it showed muichiro and the big blind hashira

Devin B
>>110093465

@danial javady I would say Tengen was the second strongest hashira when it came to just physicality but when it comes to swordsmanship he's not as good as the other hashiras which is why most people rate him just second from last ahead of Shinobu.

Rab2l
>>110093465

It's not cannon. The author never stated anywhere who was what, other then gyomei was the strongest. and they say in the show that the only reason any of them were able to get marks is because Tanjiro got his first.

EMTpromises

Without burning any spoilers. Power scaling hashira isn’t too bad 1. Gyomei 2. Sanemi 3. Muichiro and Obanai The top 3/4 hashira are about as good as most of the lower 4/5/6 with the exception of Gyomei. Muichiro soloing a upper rank is some crazy shit and it’s bc of his demon slayer mark but yea the upper 5 is a one hitter character in a horrible matchup so yea he got stomped

Kaylah Marie

it has a lot to do with the demon slayer mark. I don't remember when and if it gets explained :)

YoungSalsa
>>110093465

No, the reason is that marks frequently show up only after the 1st person gets theirs Muichiro was only able to get his because Tanjiro got his 1st and there was no way Uzui was gonna get his mark before the main character

FoxesKarma

The Mark is the game changer in this series. Muichiro is considered one of their best and Tengen was considered one of the top 3 Hashira as well. Best example is Tanjiro was barely able to do anything against Gyutaro and the 4 emotions before he got his mark. Once he got his mark he was able to decapitate Gyutaro and took out 3 of the 4 emotions. It's gonna come into play much more pretty soon. One of the things Demon Slayer does well is power scaling its characters.

Justin

Muichiro is stronger than Uzi. They also stated that Gyutaro would have been a higher rank demon if not for Daki. Remember he gave power to Daki because she was weaker than him. Gyutaro probably would have been upper 4 if he didn’t have Daki holding him back.

IzanagiAce
>>110093916

Idk about 8, Gyutaro definitely had potential to be like Upper Moon 4 but was held back by Daki. Plus Uzui with his Musical Score Technique, tired from fighting, poisoned, and missing a hand was able to keep up with Gyutaro. Imagine that brother with a mark and his second hand

Zen Reacts

Muichiro is the true flame hashira. He was roasting that fish

AzureSiegfried
>>110093430

I think the best part of this arc was getting to know Muichiro and Genya better as characters

Daylen
>>110095103

The mark does get explained and I’m pretty sure they explain it after this arc

baja
>>110092912

He is not Teggen would wipe the floor with base tokito He is only stronger because of the mark

Regent
>>110095168

I was never stated he would be a higher rank just that daki was holding him back but gyutaro would never beat hantengu

Kami_Psy

They actually talk about Mitsuru's top clothing in an extra piece of the manga. The clothes they gave her were a bit too small and when they offered her a bigger size, she chose to keep the smaller one because she thought it looked cute. So basically she wants it to be like that. Also Tokito is just HIM, so that's why it seemed so easy when he won (Also he got "the mark" during the fight which will be explained more later).

Parzival

The mark does get explained in the manga and we should see that in the anime as well. Clearly though, Muichiro is just 100% him.

Ethan Vinson

Wow The Sea King from ONE PUNCH MAN got the ultimate downgrade 🤣🤣🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

Regent
>>110095095

Muichiro is one of the weaker hashira bringing it down to feats

Lildreezy

Tokito is 14 not 11 he was 11 when his parents died

XClouding

Yeah remember last season uzi was thanking about how strong Muichiro is when he stated he can’t become a hashira in 2 months and Muchiro is definitely a problem he’s a high ranking hashira and he’s a descendent of the first demon slayers

Damon Kirk

The mark realy is a sharingan

EMTpromises
>>110095095

Idk in infinity castle arc I really think he held his own but I definitely put him above Mitsuri and Shinobu easily, but obanai has an easy argument being stronger than him considering what he did in the you know what arc by himself for so long.

Daylen

Without spoiling the mark is a big deal and being able to manifest one is HUGE but the details regarding it all will be explained at some point later in

MJ Xoxo

Muichiro is said to be 14, while Tanjiro is 15. Fun fact: A small nice detail that you may or may not have noticed is that because they were attacked while resting indoors, they have been both fighting in just their socks lol

IzanagiAce
>>110093465

Maybe not swordsmanship but his battle iq is ridiculous, Musical Score Technique is stupid broken when he has it ready

UnknownRNGS

Tokito IS the child prodigy. His raw strength is absolutely inane, but also remember that Gyokko isn't a fighter like Gyuutaro or Akaza are. He's an artist, its why he wanted validation so much. Remember that Tengen put him and Gyomei (the big crying nigga) at the top of the hashira when he was talking about talent with Gyuutaro. He called him an "enigma". This is why. Kid is the main character of his own show. also a reminder that Muzan hinted that Gyuutaro might have been able to go higher in the ranks if it wasn't for Daki "holding him back". He likely didn't want to go any higher than her or simply didn't care.

Jdogzero Silverblade
>>110093916

also remember he is so talented that he became a hashira in like a month or something. first breather is fucking overpowered even his decedents are fucking muzan up XD

Euphoria Cutie
>>110093465

He never unlocked his mark which automatically makes him a weaker hashira than the ones who did. Everyone rates him as one of the weakest hashira and his struggle against upper moon 6 proved that. If he didn’t retire and unlocked his mark then things would be different but unfortunately he didn’t and that makes him one of the weaker ones.

XClouding
>>110095160

Muchiro is not the weaker hashira bro I don’t know if you read the manga or just been dozing off while this season is airing but come on man get it right

Euphoria Cutie
>>110095095

Muichiro is top 5 hashira lol wdym one of the weaker ones. He unlocked his mark unlike other weaker hashiras.

Joshua Burns
>>110093285

He’s literally a 14 who became a hashira in a few months how is he not one of the top ones?

Joey Zero
>>110093000

Wouldn’t say soloed. He did almost die while trapped in the water. But, he’s definitely stronger than Uzui.

ShaquanVirse

Tengen had to protect everyone while also fighting but it's implied he's the weakest

Euphoria Cutie
>>110095160

Tengen is not one of the top 3 hashira. The list is pretty simple the stone is first, then wind, then it’s mist or serpent. Tengen is one the weakest hashira especially since he never unlocked his mark.

Gary Dorne
>>110093000

He said the reason he couldn’t get out the first time is because the blade was badly chipped, so the cutting power was heavily reduced

Niuwah

I'm sorry, but when Tanjiro's toes bent, that was so fricking funny 🤣🤣 Reminded me of last season with his fingers pushed back 🤣 Dude can't catch a break.

Imari

Yeah tokito is simply just him if it was anyone else idk if they could fight that fish nigga. He’s still very strong but tokito is actually just ridiculously strong

bakugoat

Had to rip tokito out the plastic cause he was acting brand new this episode

Lemonkatze

muichiro is that strong and uzui is like kinda weak. also gyuturo or whatever is strong af but heldback hella by his sister he probably wldve been ranked higher without her also the fact she refused to eat anyone who wasnt pretty

poisonivybag

Just a reminder that Tanjiro is not a descendant of the guy invented the first breathing, Muichiro is. Tanjiro's family was taught. You'll learn more about the mark later but it's not something you inherit.

Bxneeyyx

Bro is it just me but tanijro is so weak to be a main character

Rinsaka

Muichiro is 14

Nicole Guerrero

Muichiro is 14 and he’s just hella strong but gyokko wasn’t weak

Thunter
>>110095928

I thought Shinobu was the weakest Hashira since she relies on poison and stuff instead of strength like most of the other Hashira. That’s just my thinking though, I agree Tengen is one of the weaker ones compared to everyone else we see, especially down the line in later fights

EMTpromises
>>110095095

Nah Giyuu is great but even I have a hard time making him above Muichiro especially with stuff in the later arcs but he’s definitely in the top 5 as of rn I can’t see it any other way than Gyomei>Sanemi>Obanai>Muichiro> Giyuu> Mitsuri> Rengoku> Uzui> Shinobu surely

jordy

I think the upper six demon could have been ranked higher if he didn't carry his sister. Even Muzan said he wouldn't have died it wasn't for her. He probably would have ranked higher than the demon Tokito fought. But, Tokito is a beast/prodigy.

quxntum
>>110095168

without daki around gyutaro would probably have more hatred for humans since she’s the only thing he cared about and that would effectively make him stronger. on top of that muzan stated that if daki wasn’t at the entertainment district fight gyutaro would’ve killed everyone there

꧁The Artist ꧂
>>110095928

In physical strength she's the weakest with tengen being the 2nd highest. Shinobu is probably one of the fastest tho

quxntum
>>110095322

the person who made her outfit was pervy so that’s why her chest is exposed but she was too shy to ask for a new one. shinobu’s original outfit was the same way being created by the same person but she burned it

mal

muichiro is not 11. he literally said last episode in the flashback he lost his parents at 11

Rico Ayala

Roshi a sicko for that drum line comment too lol

fili0938

Upper 5 was really powerful. He one-shot Muichiro in the beginning of the fight. But after Muichiro got the mark on his face he became a different beast. In S2 Tanjiro's mark made him go from being unable to pierce the skin of a weakened Upper 6 to decapitating a healthy Upper 6.

CornCobBob

Tokito is a prodigy, Uzui mentioned before too that Tokito became a hasira and mastered Mist Breathing within 2 months of picking up a sword. Gyokko didn't stand a chance, and I assume if Tokito fought Gyutaro and Daki he would have made quick work of them too. That just how awesome he is. And if you think about Gyokko's power set he's kind of deserves his spot as number 5. He can create armies of fish monsters, huge AOE attacks, poison mist that is epidermal, instant teleporation, FISH TOUCH, water manipulation, and his neck was probably thicker and stronger than Gyutaro's too. And he was also starting to regenerate after getting beheaded too show's that he was on another level. It's too bad he just got arrogant and was mismatched against a superior opponent who awakened their demon slayer mark. Fights where the opponents are closer in strength are always better to watch.

Sentinel Kab

The ending lmfaoooooooooooooooooo

Devin B
>>110093000

@Gary Dorne In addition to that he got poisoned protecting the swordsmiths from Gyokko's attack which make him weaker.

CornCobBob
>>110092926

The top 3 in physical strength would be the Rock Hashira, Love Hashira, and Sound Hashira, but in terms of combat ability the top spots are occupied by Rock, Flame, Wind and Water.

Giyuu

i got that exact same shit lupa wearing lmao you just came from the gym bro ??

danial javady

Roshi, your question about Gyokko echoes the confusion many manga readers, including myself, felt the first time we witnessed his defeat. Was Tengen simply weaker? Did the Mark provide a significant power boost? Was Gyutaro hindered by Daki's presence? I'm really damn glad and impressed you realized and questioned this so early. When I first finished the manga, I thought Tengen was the weakest hashira. Now after some years have passed and I'm getting another pass at the series, it's clear to me he was far from the weakest one. So let's just state some facts, and then you can draw your own conclusions. The power scaling is intentionally both thought provoking and subtle. What appears to be superficial soon leads into a quick realization that the author is far more skilled than she gets credit for. She left troves of information for the viewers to dissect. Things are not uniform, they are multi dimensional! Facts(confirmed via databooks, or clear assertions and what have you) 1) Tengen is the 2nd strongest physically. 2) Tengen is the fastest runner. 3) At the end of episode 8 of season 2, Rengoku(who gave a good fight to Akaza), is seen dialoguing to Tengen that Rengoku could also never be like him, because Tengen's swordsmanship(as a god damned ninja!) was ridiculous. 4) Gyutaro and Daki killed something like 23 hashira? Daki killed 9 on her own. Gyutaro killed the ones who beat her. 5) Gyutaros poison is fucking extremely, extremely lethal. Both Tengen and Inosuke, whom have strong poison resistance, could only delay the inevitable. 6) Tengen almost soloed the UM6 combo even being poisoned. 7) Tengen. Was. Lethally. Poisoned. If you recall towards the end of the fight, even when he lost an entire arm and lost a shit ton of blood among other ridiculous injuries, he literally started to match against Gyutaro in a 1v1, to the point where he read his every move(a testament to his vast experience). Tengen vs Gyutaro was a match-up extremely in favor of Gyutaro because if you recall, Tengen himself said that his overly strange fighting style unconventional to demons with his Kamas prevented Tengen from reading him from the start. He had to get a feel for Gyutaros fighting style. If it weren't for the poison, he probably would've soloed the combo. I'll let you extrapolate on what would've transpired if Muichiro got hit even once by Gyutaro's poison(practically overpowered but needed for the plot to move on because the stakes get way too low) 8) Tengen is extremely traumatized and burnt out at this point in the story. He's absolutely exhausted from his hellish life as a ninja and clearly wants out of this lifestyle. 9) Upper moon ranks are not god damn linear!!! Douma, who is now UM2, was UM6 before. And he surpassed Akaza! The demons can grow fucking stronger! They aren't linear! We see this constantly occur through out the series. 10) Tengen said he could NEVER be like Rengoku. Why? Because Rengoku succeeded where Tengen had failed; He had protected every single person in the train alongside the trio with his life. Tengen on the other hand is again, traumatized with all the people he's seen die before him. A major component to his trauma was all of his siblings dying before him and the one that did remain ended up sacrificing everything to reach the pinnacle of strength as a ninja. Which leads me into the next point: 11) Gyutaro asserted that Tengen was a prodigy that had everything in his life handed down to him on a silver platter. His beauty, his 3 wives, his overwhelming strength, height, status, etc. Then Tengen goes on to say that no, I've went through fucking hell and my life has been nothing short of misery. You guys haven't seen the actual prodigies who got to where they were(the rock hashira and mist hashira) without the struggles I have. At this point it doesn't take much to realize that Tengen is deeply traumatized and can't forget his "failures" which is what causes him to weigh himself so lowly. People misinterpret his words here as saying "Muichiro is much stronger than me." There are levels to what he was saying and there are levels to practically every single detail that the author leaves for us but practically no one notices for whatever ungodly reason. 12) There's a common theme that's shown in demon slayer where the demons and slayers who sacrifice everything become overwhelmingly stronger. It's one of the strongest themes in demon slayer. One of the reasons Gyutaro never reached his full potential was because he didn't sacrifice everything, he still had his humanity. Gyutaro never fed, either, remember, because he was never out and about. He always let Daki take control of everything while he just watched her from afar, protecting her whenever she called for him. Muzan literally prophesized to the detail that this was his downfall and shortcoming. There's a lot more to this theme, but i won't get into it because it's spoiler territory. 13) Tengen throughout the entire fight had to protect Tanjiro when Tanjiro was weaker, injured, and not a Hashira level where as Muichiro didn't have to worry about protecting anyone. It was an isolated 1v1. Anyways, there are probably other details that i'm missing but if there's one thing people need to raelize it's that the author is demon slayer is actually very damn skilled. There is so much undiscovered territory to the audience and they're simply unaware of it. She gets flak for a "BaSIC StoRy" and yet it's nothing short of the opposite.

13

Muichiro is just him. Even with Uzui was thinking back on people with talent, he immediately thought of Muichiro and Gyomei. Keep in mind Tanjiro spent 1.5 years just to reach the very bottom of the DS corps. It took Muichiro 2 months to reach Hashira. Also, the mark is basically ssj

botanbutton

None of the Hashiras are trash. None of the Upper Moons are trash. It's just a combination of things that create the outcomes. It's just like Sheera said; The match-up was good for Muichirou but bad for Gyokko. Between Muichirou being a prodigy and a descendant of the first breather, getting the mark, finding himself and his memories, his movement obscuring breathing style and being able to provoke Gyokko, it was over. Tengen is the 2nd strongest Hashira (determined by arm wrestling) and the fastest, so he would have had no problem defeating Gyutaro alone; its the poison that really did him in. Also I think Gyutaro was a less distracted opponent.

A.R.R

Serious answer: in one of the bonus chapters, it's revealed that someone makes the uniforms for girls like that on purpose and they tried to do it to shinobu but she threatened them out of doing it.

AdventHorizons
>>110096308

wym? he put in serious work in order to make the four emotions use a final trump card upon now being really exhausted after fighting for so long we could also chalk it up to just plainly being outmatched here this emotion demon is actually pretty crazy i was expecting a tough fight but holy bro not to mention hinokami has its downfalls upon too many uses in one sitting so personally i dont think hes too weak but theres alot of factors against him right now thats for sure

Kevin Xiong
>>110096308

dont worry man, i got faith that Tanjiro will get there, I mean he's pretty near Hashira level already with all these Upper moons hes fighting. Can't have him be OP right off the bat in every fight

Akira Noguchi
>>110096308

he's one of the strongest non-hashira demon slayers. you could debate that hes stronger than some of them too.

NothingButA_Fan

Think Uzui even says in season 2 that Tokito is a prodigy who became a Hashira after like, a few months after picking up a sword. So Tokito is prolly stronger than Uzui and Upper 6 being held back by his sister is probably why Upper 5 was ranked higher even tho on his own, Gyutaro waas more nasty in my opinion. Just a mismatch for Upper 5 it seems like lol

MonarchXIII

Just for clarification, demon's cant directly kill other demons. Only four things can, MJ, wisteria plant, nichirin blades and the sun. That's why it's meaningless for demons to fight other demons. And only through rare circumstances can demons survive getting their head decapitated. Yes even upper moons are not immune to this logic.

Art of Trolling

Anybody hear rumors of a part 2 of this season.

Bubblepu

Muichiro is just that nasty because even Uzui said that he became a Hashira two months after picking up a sword and that he's talented. Even so, Upper 5 isn't trash nor is he weaker than Gyutaro, because he could have killed Muichiro (in fact Muichiro almost died without help from Kotetsu). It's just that the Mark on Muichiro's face made him THAT much stronger because look at what if did for Tanjiro. Dude got the mark and decapitated Upper 6 and the Emotion Demons despite not being a Hashira.

StarMarmot

The mark is basically going super saiyan. Muichiro is just him.

DocGreen
>>110095160

Tengen is arguably the second weakest. It stone wind the sanake dude water and mist is up for debate love rengoku than shinobu and tengen

jordy

I think the upper 6 demon would have ranked higher if he didn't carry his sister. Even Muzan said he wouldn't have died if it weren't for her. he probably would've ranked higher than the demon Tokito fought. But, Tokito is a prodigy/ beast.

DocGreen
>>110097822

Tengen is not the second strongest hashira he is the second weakest. Like where did you get that from. Literally all the other hashira have better feats than him. He even stated himself that their are 3 other hashira better than him

Giyuu
>>110092912

lmao bro he lost an arm and an eye fighting 2v1 vs rank 6... tokito won with ease after he got his memories back so if you replace tokito with uzui that fight would of been over instantly the only hashira above him is.. stone, wind n snake

Dude559

this fishfucker was dissapointing... Didn't expect this wooden dragon guy to be the real deal instead. Hope that one turns up tough

Novafan

its somewhat ambiguous but considering muzan said gyutaro could be stronger without daki, that possibly means he was stronger than gyokko. do have to consider that muichiro has his mark

Tirzah

I noticed when they first tried to slash Upper 4's neck, but they've all been fighting in just their socks. I know their feet hurt.😵‍💫

Moh23!

The Mark made the difference there, it’s like a power up and Muichiro is naturally stronger than tengen even though he’s younger he’s just HIM.

jordy

Uziui's fight was a lot Flashier for sure, but it makes sense for his character. The momentum for Tokito's fight was a little lacking, but i thoroughly enjoyed it. The subtle shit talking, while realizing that he was him. *chefs kiss*

PyroPhoenix

The mark gives them a power up. Also both the Mist Hashira and Love Hashira are stronger than Uzui. I believe Mist, Wind and Rengoku (fire) were the 3 strongest hashira. The love Hashira is like the 5th or 6th strongest

DocGreen
>>110097642

Bro be real. Tengen is the second weakest hashira based on feats. Muzan said himself if upper 6 fought by himself and wasn't held back by his sister he would've won. All the other hashira besides maybe shinobu would've beaten him if they were in tengen place. Most of not all would've soloed him without the demon slayer mark

Davido

I think its a combination of things. Gyutaro is stronger than Gyokko but since Daki was holding him back he was ranked lower. And Muichiro is better than tengen even without his memories or the mark and he got both of them back this fight which gave him a huge power up. Tanjiro when from being destroyed by Upper 4 to cutting 3 of their heads off with dragon sun halo head dance when he activated his mark so it seems like its a major boost. Plus Gyokkos ultimate move is anything he hits turns to fish while muichiros ultimate move is he cant be hit so that was just unlucky for him.

Amy Johnson
>>110100194

don’t you be putting down gyomei dude, earth hashira is strong as hell just you wait

SY MMS
>>110100194

don't forget the stone hashira too who is the strongest of them all

Danny
>>110100194

I mean, technically Uzui never said Muichiro was stronger, simply that he became hashira within 2 months, making him an unprecedented and unique genius. Demon slayer mark muichiro is def stronger but base muichiro may be even with Tengen.

Art of Trolling
>>110098572

Oh ok. I was just strolling down twitter and I saw something about them possible adapting the next arc in 5 or 6 episodes later this year.

y0ungship
>>110095476

that's not true lol. Only sanemi, gyomei, and iguro are stronger than him

Razrok21

So, funnily enough, the end part with Zenitstu saying when’s it our turn, in a different subtitled version I watched he literally said “WHENS OUR SCREEN TIME?!?”

Master_Drow

Shaku is the Japanese foot equivalent to 11.93 inches

Coran
>>110093946

Regent what are you talking about, Muichiro is like the 4th or 5th strongest hashira. He’s not top 3 but he’s not one of the weaker Hashira.

KiriyamaRei
>>110099782

he didnt say stronger. all he said was that he woudve won if he fought alone at the start. Gyutaro was never stronger than gyokko. Also, gyokko wasn't weak at all. it may have looked that way but its just that marked muichiro is that strong

Dude Man McGee

With demon slayer and hell's paradise going on at the same time, really makes me wanna play sekiro again.

Hank yang

Gyokko is not trash but he underestimated Muichiro too much , and Muichiro unlocked the mark like Tanjiro did that makes him became far more stronger than before

Coatl45
>>110093000

From what I hear, Gyutaro shouldn’t have been stuck at 6. Daki was holding him back, so he never advanced further than 6. Other than that, he was a lot more powerful than this snake/fish clown.

Deathbound300

Roshi gonna need a HXH hiatus by the time he's done reading this comment section.

Coran
>>110098572

The next arc before the final one isn’t even long enough for 5 to 6 episodes unless they stretch it out a ton. The arc before the final one is only like 9 chapters so it would be like 2 episodes maybe 3.

Coran
>>110099775

I mean to be fair Hantengu was stated to be Upper Moon 4 meaning he’s stronger than Gyokko.

Coran
>>110100194

Sorry but Rengoku is not top 3, he’s actually like the third weakest since he can’t really be scaled above any of the Hashira who awakened their marks. Top 3 from strongest to weakest is Gyomei, Sanemi, then Obanai/Muichiro (Obanai has stronger feats so there’s more of an argument for him).

Gill

Muichiro is just at a different level than other hashiras now, that mark is a thing and you will get this in the next arc. Upper rank 123 are also on another level than 456, especially for 1 & 2.

Kay Cee

THESE ARE NOT SPOILERS! EVERYTHING WAS MENTIONED IN EPISODES 1 AND 2 OF THIS SEASON!!!! 1. Muichiro is a descendant of a previous hashira, the sun-breathing originator, Yoriichi. 2. Yoriichi saved Sumiyoshi Kamado (Tanjiro's direct ancestor from 300 years ago). 3. Yoriichi and Sumiyoshi became friends. 4. Yoriichi taught Sumiyoshi the Hinokami Kagura and gave him the hanafuda earrings. 5. Yoriichi told Sumiyoshi Kamado that since he has no direct family to inherit what became known as the Hinokami Kagura and the Hanafuda earrings, to make sure that he, Sumiyoshi, passes it on through the Kamado line instead. 6. MUICHIRO AND TANJIRO SHARE NO BLOOD RELATION. Also, demons can get their heads ripped off and still regenerate, it's only when their heads are removed completely with a nichirin sword that it stays off (for the most part) so when Muzan took Upper Moon 5's head, he ripped it off, he didn't use a nichirin, therefore it would grow back. Demons only die 4 ways, A Nichirin Sword to the Neck, The Sun, Wisteria Poison, and Muzan Kibutsuji.

Calfrezie
>>110097822

Tengen is only physically stronger than him muichiro is a better all around has hashira tho

Calfrezie

Muichiro is basically like top 3 hashira and uzui was bottom 2 + all of the factors and circumstances of their battles

Freeofgreed

Muichiro + mark, is probably the strongest swordsman we've seen so far. Gyokko is not trash, most of his techniques are broken as fuck.

MemeSaleem

nah muichiro is busted if it were tanjiro vs gyokko he'd be dead in the water prison or turned into a pile of fish, bro got hard countered

TJC

I think most people find the Hashira power levels hard to scale since they're not ranked like the upper and lower moons. Uzui mentioned before that he was not on the same level of other Hashiras and Tokito was one of them. At the end of Entertainment District Arc, the Snake Hashira Obanai gave Uzui a hard time that he struggled to take down Upper Moon 6. If not for Tanjiro and team's help he may not have been able to take down Upper 6 by himself. I think its hard to forget since his fights were so epic. Tokito is already a prodigy with being the youngest Hashira, how fast he became one and being descended from the first breathing style plus he got a power up from his demon slayer mark. I also think Upper 5 came off silly but he's definitely strong due to nature of his attacks (creating demons, water prisons, long range attacks, poison attacks, turning people into a fish by touch) I think those factors make him Upper 5. He also waited too long to take the battle seriously, he hasn't had to fight anyone this strong in over 100+ years. By the time he realized it was too late. Muzan also mentioned that Upper 6 Gyutaro was held back by Daki so its possible he could have been ranked higher if not for her.

Chris
>>110101940

Bruh! Wtf do manga readers take it upon themselves to spoil everything!! Swear y’all just can’t leave people alone in their confusion huh

Jay

Muichiro is 14 yrs old & 66 shaku is about 20 meters & Muichiro is a pretty strong hashira compared to Gyokko who wasn't taking it as seriously as he should've bc he was too focused on showing off

Stephen Delong

Muichiro is 14 and that demon slayer mark is like crack 😭

Daniel Robb

Manga readers shouldnt be allowed to comment lmao.

Greaser

The power scaling from this point on is messed up. In Muichiro's case, it makes sense why he's so strong, because he got the marks. However it feels like he's too strong because of the timing. The last fight with an upper moon was so close and brutal, then the next one after that the upper moon basically gets one shotted. I've heard that after the previous arc, the author had personal problems and Shonen Jump wouldn't let her take a break, so she ended up having to rush to the end of the story, which might explain the sudden power boost the characters got this arc.

godUsoland

Honestly, that Fish punching power would solve World Hunger if it wasn't likely poisonous fish :)

Bruno

Tokito is 14 not 11. He's top 5 strongest hashira. Gyomei and Sanemi be THE steongest (Rengoku is like bottom 3 btw)

Devin B
>>110093430

@AzureSiegfried you also learn more about Sanemi from Genya's flashback too

✨《HENTAI GOD》✨

Actually tanjiro is still younger then tokito tanjiros 13 while tokito is 14 so its a 1 year age gap.

john
>>110104777

rengoku put up decent fight against upper 3 without mark tho

john
>>110104237

but if you pick up all the hints last season and this seaosn its not so sudden basically muichiro>>>tengen and fish demon <<<<<<< gyutaro.

Michael Banks

Roshi it's funny that you said something about the love hashira's uniform so in the manga there was this demon slayer guy (just a member of the core) who worked on uniforms and tried to get all the girls too wear revealing clothes shinobu was pissed lol but mitsuri stuck with it

Greaser
>>110104237

Yeah that's true, but because of the way the story is structured the difference feels so dramatic, especially if you don't pick up on the fact that the mark makes them stronger

Greaser
>>110104777

I think Rengoku was towards the middle at the time tbh. It's just that the other Hashira get stronger as the story progresses and Rengoku can't cuz, y'know, he's dead lol.

Guns

Muichiro is actually like a god incarnation or something, he also one shots muzan and upper rank 1 in a 2v1 at the end of the manga. Super short fight. The other hashira were just taking a bath together while muichiro annihilated the whole demon community

Kurumi
>>110098572

more than likely be a movie then milk it some more with recap eps before final season. Gotta think about how to make the most money out of it

Bruno
>>110104777

Akaza was holding back. Rengoku still died, hes still bottom 3 with Shinobou and Tengen.

Jonathan Reyes

Yoooo Tanjiro is not the only one who can level up, Tokito did too and its good to see other characters turn up besides mains.

Chimpman
>>110104777

@Bruno Uh no. Markless Rengoku is stronger than most markless Hashira. He is for sure top 5 in that aspect.

Lumoshi

With upper 5 its like sheera said muichiro had the advantage in match up + he had a mark & his Seventh form where is really slow when you see him but moves in a blink of an eye when out of side as for gyutarro (upper 6) he would have Potentialy even reached uppe 4 level if he didnt had to Hard carry daki and Just coudve focused on getting stronger himself but the way it Was Gyokko (upper 5) is stronger then him

John Smith
>>110105321

Tanjiro started at 13 but he trained for a full year with Sakonji before final selection and has been going for a while at this point. Also time has passed off screen during missions and many months in bed healing so he is like 15 nearly 16. Tokito is a prodigy and the youngest Hashira in core history.

Lumoshi
>>110107404

Also muichiro is at base stronger than tengen when it comes to demon slaying

Chimpman
>>110100304

Gyutaro is not stronger than Gyokko. They're ranked the way they are for a reason. Muichiro with a mark is just that much stronger than Tengen, who is already one of the weakest Hashira.

Victor

It is both. Uzui is weaker than Tokito, as last season he mentioned he was not as strong as some other Pillars, and Tokito and another Pillar was showed as examples. If you compare Upper 6 and Upper 5, Upper 6 had more destructive power as we saw how he leveled the whole red light district last season, but Upper 5 skills are more versatile (versatility is not necessary a pros). If they fight though, Upper 6 will probably beat Upper 5 if his sister does not hold him back.

ThatOneGuy

Roshi about the uniform those are standard issue for females it’s only the insect hashira that literally burn hers when she saw the boob window

john
>>110101940

bitch just type out whole infinity castle arc why dont you?

Dougie Fresh

Us: Many people in the show, have said Tokito is him, Including uzi vert. Roshi and Gang: "But is he really..? " lol cmon yall put some respect on my boy tokitos name

TONYHWK2021

TOP 2 hashira are not debatable, 3 4 and 5 are debatable, and the rest of them dont even matter to be honest lol, muichirou is in the debatable section, and yeah upper moon 5 was trash compared to the other Upper Moons, But muichirou is very skillfull no doubt about that.

Miguel Angel Ramirez-Alvarez

Muichiro turned that demon into sashimi; no sad back story for you. I can’t wait to see Kanroji go ham on this demon, hehe love conquering hate, I see you writers

OldManMag

Tokito just that dude lol every time they've talked about him its in reference to "not being a prodigy like him." Since he became a hashira so quickly and so young. Plus he's supposedly descended from the sun breathing creators they said so we'll see.

XxYourWaifuxX Xx
>>110098572

I strongly think there’s gonna be a movie for the training arc a lot of stuff happens but nothing big enough for another season before the last 2 arcs

shadowslime03

The answer to your question, Tokito was just that strong.

Mervyn Larrier

Without spoiling anything, the Hashiras are not a uniformly powered or scaled entity. Tokito became a Hashira in just a month, and Rengoku became the Flame Hashira while having to teach himself Flame Breathing since his father gave up on it and destroyed some of the training manuals. Rengoku was also one of the strongest of the Hashira. Tengen isn't weak by any means, but his fights looked so intense because he was fighting for his goddamned life lmao. If I had to rank the two weakest Hashira, Shinobu would be the weakest, followed by Tengen. The Demon Slayer Mark is a massive power up. Muichiro essentially pulled off an epic comeback. Had he not manifested the mark, he'd definitely would've died.

shadowslime03
>>110104078

Its funny that people that don't read love to type, you let Microsoft Word spell that for you didn't you.

Mervyn Larrier
>>110104777

This is cap. Akaza was holding back, of course, be he straight up said that Rengoku was near the realm of the highest. He was towards the middle of the Hashira in terms of abilities. Had he lived long enough for the marks to start manifesting, he'd be an entirely different animal.

Eprus

Yeah Muichiro is just that much stronger than upper 5. Tengen as a hashira is weaker than base Muichiro and Muichiro was fighting upper five with his mark.

Hi How are ya
>>110106356

Calm down y’all NONE of this happens at the end trust me if he dropped actually spoilers y’all would Be more outraged

Bruno
>>110104777

Well between mitsuris Muscle advantages, tokitos skill and heritage, sanemis everything and gyomei being a 7ft giant. No, he is not top 5.

Bruno
>>110104777

If there was ever a time for it to manifest. It would have been when he was cutting alazas head. He just wasn't strong enough to have one.

Stellarnut

I personally feel like the show has done a good enough job to establish how strong the upper moons are and the differences in power between some of the Hashira, also explaining just how built different Muichiro is from all the others that this episode was supposed to show just how strong HE is by defeating an upper moon by himself. But theres alot of people that think the Upper 5 was just trash and it was a fluke or something. I promise it wouldnt have gone that way if he fought Upper 3, 2, or 1 and I promise other Hashira would have gotten bodied by Upper 5.

Douglas Kelley
>>110104078

Larry, you are reading a Japanese comic book, don’t act like you are superior to anyone. Besides, watching sub anime is basically the same as reading the manga. You literally have to read in both situations to understand what’s going on.

Dj Josol

Tokito is just one of the strongest. Even Tengen hyped him up when he told us it only tool Tokito a month to become a Hashira. And Tokito was really struggling until his mark showed up. So the mark seems like such a power boost.

Daniel Turner

there's a reason for kanroji's uniform which they might explain at the end of an episode

Douglas Kelley

I really wish the show did not use the term “descendent” to describe Muichiro’s connection to the first Sun breather. You can’t descend from someone who doesn’t have any children.

Cameron Robinson
>>110101940

None of these are spoilers. They were literally said this season. I was just about to say this too.

Emiliano Ruiz Chong

Muichiro is indeed related to Yorichi (first breathing: sun breathing), but Tanjiro is NOT a relative of him. As seen in the memories, their family had some friendship with Yorichi. Remember that his family were only coal sellers. Taniro got his demon slayer mark because of his training in the hinokami kagura (real breathing with different name or very similar to the real one, never confirmed) which Yorichi taught to his family.

Wsgyan

Actually guys tengen and gyutaro were trash gyokko could’ve folded them it’s juste that tokito is on a whooooole other level that’s why the fight seemed so easy tengen is actually one of the two weakest hashira lmao

Wsgyan
>>110105321

Spreading misinformation lmao idiot tanjiro is like 16 and muichiro is 14

Wsgyan
>>110104777

Why y’all forgetting that akaza held back against rengoku lmao he did not want to kill him

Greaser
>>110104237

Did John say gyokko was weaker? I'm on mobile and can't really see the symbols he put lmao.

Tyler Hurley

they should eventually explain love hashiras outfit

Mervyn Larrier
>>110095095

Rengoku trained Mitsuri iirc. He was stronger than her. It's more like Gyomei>Sanemi>Muichiro>Rengoku>Obanai=Giyuu>Mitsuri>Uzui>Shinobu before the introduction of the DSM. Afterwards it'd be: Gyomei>Sanemi>Muichiro>Obanai=Giyuu>Mitsuri>Rengoku>Uzui>Shinobu

Jalani Abdul-Aziz

I take it as this: the Tengen fight was so high diff/crazy because the chemistry Gyutaro and Daki had and their abilities were intertwined caused major problems. Like realistically no one hashira could kill them alone it’s basically impossible. Tengen had no mark so he really just relied on poison resistance which probably would’ve clapped most other hashiras much quicker. his breathing style is mid so his “big move” basically entails him having to fight for a prolonged period to even use it. Muichiro is a prodigy who I think at the time of the entertainment district arc was stronger than Tengen, with an OP breathing style that literally confuses the demons and clouds their vision literally. (Ik they said breathing styles aren’t visible but his is actually mist like) also he has a mark so he’s buffed to a whole other level.

EMTpromises
>>110095095

True I’m just thinking of the mix of IC arc and SC arc for my rankings but right now that’s probably the most accurate lowkey I definitely feel bad for Rengoku bc he didn’t even really have the chance to unlock it aswell but damn his would’ve looked gas lmao

Emiliano Ruiz Chong

Regarding the power scaling of demons, Gyutaro and Daki were indeed upper rank 6, but it was previously stated that Daki held Gyutaro back. I think it was said that if Gyutaro were to fight by and for himself, he would have been Upper rank 3 or 4.

Emiliano Ruiz Chong
>>110114195

Don't remember very clearly, but it is mentioned in previous episode. They said he could have been 3 or 4 (one of the two).

Louis Kalman

It's kind of crazy to me about how every DS discussion talks about stuff that I'm pretty sure is future spoilers openly. I've read the manga, but everyone talking about how good the Mark is, the relative power levels of the Hashira, wait to see how strong so and so is--isn't this shit just all spoilers for anime watchers? Maybe I just don't remember the past seasons but I feel like every comment here is people just openly explaining future plot points to explain any slight mystery or confusion that pops up.

Drake
>>110114195

Imo the difference between 3 and 4 is about as much as 6 and lower moon 1. I don't think it's mentioned anywhere Gyutaro could have been a higher number, just that Daki was holding him back

Emiliano Ruiz Chong
>>110114195

Whatever, I didn't made that up. You can look it up in a previous episode and Muzan himself said it. Though I don't remember the correct number, it was around that.

Corey Leach

Muichiro had already physically trained super hard but still wasn't mentally there all the way. He literally stated that when he becomes his full self, he can take down any demon.

CentipedeKid

I don't care how strong you are with a ruptured eardrum you wouldn't be able to stand let alone fight. I had a tiny hole in mine one time and couldn't walk in a straight line.

tobi tobi

Mui just outclasses upper moon 6 and Uzui

Burning Talons
>>110114195

You're pulling out of you ass all he said is if Daki wasn't holding him back he would have won the fight

Burning Talons
>>110104078

Y'all annoying as fuck period. This is coming from someone who reads manga (The Original Japanese Manga) so don't try to feel superior because you read some 6th grade reading material.

Sy'mon Almeida

TOkito also Awakened his Mark, neither Uzui or Rengoku did. the mark gives you a huge buff. and yes he is stronger than uzui, I don't know about rengoku, if rengoku had awakened his mark he would be a problem. but mark aside uzui stays behind tokito, I do think both without mark rengoku is stronger

Arc

Tanjiro and Muichiro have NO blood relation. Muichiro's and Tanjiro's ancestors were friends. Also Muichiro is around 14, not 10. And Gyokko is by no means weak. It's just that you're used to seeing Tanjiro fighting upper moons - who is, by comparison to Hashiras, weak.

luckywizard

To be fair roshi, Muichiro didn’t have to fight the upper 5 and all the damn fish he sent into the village at the same time. Gyutaro was more of a straightforward fighter. Seeing how he tried to snuck Muichiro outside the shed, can move around pots, and is more agile in his second form, I imagine upper 5 has more of an assassin like approach and utilizes the giant fishes to create openings.

Davo

Tokito is second only to gyutaro an I thought he was 13/14 y/o

Wsgyan
>>110113462

None of the demon slayers was originally a swordsman lmao he was simply trash the ones that grew up as swordsmen are rengoku and shinobu

Eric

Gyokko is not trash, he is No. 5. You guys saw before Muichiro got his mark he got clapped no problem, then after he got his mark he put out a Gyokko dis track, and clapped those cheeks. That was the point, to show how powerful that mark is on a hashira. Tengen never got the mark, so he and Gyutaro were more or less on even footing fighting tooth and nail each desperately going for the win.

Ahmed14

if i had a nickel for every Shounen protagonist get swallowed by monster, I would have 5 nickels which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened 5 times

GigaDirt

3 seasons and 9 episodes of me hoping they will eventually pronounce Tanjiros name correctly

Persto
>>110112090

Well, to be fair, they said he was a descendant of the first ones to use breathing techniques. Which without going into manga spoilers, isn't wrong

Skye

I said this on crunchyroll and I'm going to say it here: turning things into fish by punching them is such a jojos move XD.

Emiliano Ruiz Chong
>>110114195

Okay, alright fine. I take it back. He did say that he could have achieved something better and Daki was holding him back, but don't remember anything else.

Moonbane8

muchiro and Mitsuri Kanroji ,the love hashira, are on the stronger side of the spectrum.

Joseph Adams

While they are technically stronger that gyutaro was the demon slayer marks is a huge power boost as well as the fact that muichiro and the love hasira are stronger than tengen

Kisaki Hater
>>110093916

Nah, Muzan literally said daki was holding gyutaro back since he had to always check on and protect her

Skebaba
>>110102297

I mean nigga could have IZI WON if he had just FUCKING CLAPPED HIM WHEN HE WAS TRAPPED IN THAT WATER PRISON POT... that's likely what he's used to clap all the Hashira before Muichiro, since it's an instant-win vs Demon Slayers cuz it prevents breathing & drowns them to death, and it has some magically enforced surface tension so blade can't do shit to free you

Skebaba
>>110103305

Yeah nigga became a fucking Hashira IN TWO MONTHS, despite NEVER BEFORE THAT HAVING USED A FUCKING SWORD...

Lupa is Dadi

Don’t downplay my boy mui 😭

Vincent S Deluca

Remember this is ancient Japan, Shaku is the unit of measure they used back then, they didn't have feet/yards/meters lol

envy

😲dk if y’all noticed but i thought it was pretty cool how they incorporated rhythmic gymnastics into mitsuri’s fighting style where she’s not only doing flips and twirls but also using her “sword” like a ribbon!🤩 if u don’t know what it is just search it up and you’ll see what i mean.

Zero _
>>110109134

Top 2 hashira is also debatable, Gyomei or Obanai for feats are first, (Gyomei wins by statements) with Giyuu or Sanemi by feats with Muichiro right behind them. Should be Gyomei >= Obanai > Sanemi >= Giyuu > Muichiro >> Shinobu >> Rengoku > Mitsuri >> Tengen

Marcus Martindale

So to give a little context on the strength of the hashria (normally agreed about this order with some digressions/also never really confirmed) it love, sound, and bug pillar are considered the weakest(even though there stronger then previous generations of hashria), water, fire and mist are your mid tier hashria, and sound, stone, and snake are considered the top tier.

Knight Philosophic

Let's not forget that the Hashira that can summon the Demon Slayer Mark get power boosts. Not only that, but for Tokito, upper moon 5 already almost killed him in the water prison if it wasn't for the lil sword smith kid that helped him escape. So Upper Moon 5 is strong, but Tokito just had help

beni-chan

the "why are you entertaining him" at the end has DEAD!!!!!! that's too funny

Spriggz

Yea the transformation on Hell's Paradise this week DEFINITELY hit harder than this demons second form lol

DeAnthony Gary
>>110134646

Stop it mist water wind stone an snake all top tier I’d problem put 1.stone 2.wind 3.mist 4.water 5.snake 6.Flame 7.love 8.bug (really top 3 iykyk)9.sound

JsnSkg

Lmfao Sheera completely missed the fact that Tokito mentioned (as well as being able to figure it out from common sense), that because Gyokko is so intent on invading him and AVOIDING slashes, that decapitation IS his weakness and does indeed equate to him dying. XD

JsnSkg

Imagine thinking people can teleport from one location to another in an anime that doesn't have teleportation. Yes, Hashira tend to be pretty fast, but they can't teleport. So it's not like she could be there instantly. And it's hard to discern the exact timetable of events. Battles in different areas are happening simultaneously, not one after another. But obviously the anime can't show us everything at the exact same time in the exact timeframe they are happening in the anime.

marii

when y’all see zenistu again in action y’all gonna love him! 😭😭

Superchaos12

A manga reader here. A few points of explanation. There's a chapter in which a pervy kakushi made Mitsuri and Shinobus uniforms (like Mitsuris) but Shinobus actually burnt hers in front of him (alongside Kanao aswell). Mitsuri was too kind and decided to keep the uniform lol. Gyokko is strong but anyone with a demon slayer mark has a lot of buffs on it. It's also confirmed that Gyutaro (S2 Demon) would've been Upper Rank 4, had he not had Daki (solo demon). The true ranking (best to worse) without her would've been Kokushibo, Douma, Akaza, Gyutaro, Hatengu and Gyokko. With Daki (his sis), he got brought down to Upper 6. Also Muichiro is pretty strong as a hashira lol. He's the same age as Tanjiro btw, but became a hashira 2 months after being named a slayer. He built different lol. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong since it's been a while since I've read the manga but there you go.

sol jam

i'm not sure about the anime but in the manga tengen has a flash back where he names the strongest hashira and tokito is one of them

zay
>>110146143

he’s actually a year younger than tanjiro and also was never confirmed gyutaro woulda been higher ranked muzan only said his sister held him back and he could've soloed uzui & them if he fought first from the jump and let his poison do it’s work

Kay Cee
>>110101940

First of all dumbasses, I DID NOT read the manga!! EVERYTHING I wrote was explained this season, I watch the episodes on my own then I rewatch it with these guys and pick up extra things. Secondly, reading is fundamental, I know some people tend to be on the slower end, so reading isn't your thing but try to pause and read the subs when you can't catch them. Y'all are ridiculous with the name-calling, ALL points were literally explained in episodes 1 and 2 of this season. Tell me one thing that I wrote that was not previously explained or mentioned and I'll delete the comment!!!

Johnwick

Demon wasnt weak at if tanjiro had fault him . tanjiro wouldve gotten killed . He was only able to beat upper 5 cause he 1. A d descendent of the sun breather & 2. He got his demon slayer mark which is a big power up . No

K Jack

dam, they cut the Aizen panel out

Drake Rage

Love Hashira's fighting style is so beautiful!

Ryujin

I’m pretty sure gyutaro was stronger than tengen that’s why that fight was so intense

Sai Nonya

Something to remember is that Tengen even admitted he was on the weaker side of the Hashira. He even mentioned Tokito specifically as being one of the strong.

Malik Coleman
>>110146143

Nowhere has it been stated that he would have been upper 4 he jus would have been stronger hantengu and gyokko would still be stronger.

Joe Michael

Roshi you can call him trash but your ass would be a goldfish right now lmao

Malik Coleman

To explain it tengen is on the weaker side of the hashira and muichiro is on the stronger side. Gyutaro was also stronger then tengen whereas gyokko was weaker then muichiro. Muichiro also awakened his mark which gave him a bunch of big buffs and tengen didn’t awaken his

Wild
>>110164955

tengen was actually one of the strongest, in speed he is the fastest out of all the hashira's and he is the second strongest hashira muscle strength-wise, the only difference in his fight is that he was fighting a posion that normally would kill anyone instantly but because of tengen's poison immunity he was delaying the inevitable, but he was weakened by a ton

Wild
>>110164955

the difference between muichiro and tengen's fights was just the scale, also we've seen that the power level of the demons isn't exactly by the book, the only reason they are top demon's is if they defeated the demon above them, but the bad part is the loser will be killed by muzan which is why a lot of them just dont fight for positions unless they are confident, with gyutaro and daki's abilities and trickery, they had potential to have surpassed the vase demon by a mile

Wild
>>110164955

also remember once tengen fianlly got a hang of the fight he was matching gyutaro's speed with only one hand and while still being weakened by poison

Alrick Campbell

Tokito is extremely gifted, but the purpose of this fight was mainly to show the boost provided by the Demon Slayer mark. Tanjiro was getting cooked by Daki until his mark manifested. Muichiro was getting cooked by Gyokko until his mark manifested. The fact that Muichiro passed out after his marked vanished shows that base to base, Gyokko had the upper hand.

Thiivi

Most Hashira rankings have Muichiro in the 3rd-5th range when ranking them by strength. Rengoku is a bit below Muichiro, and Tengen is near the bottom.

Sydo

Bro she got the MHA soundtrack for her fight

Trevor Wingard

Shaku are a very old unit of measurement used in Japan before they standardized to the metric system. A Shaku is approximately 30.3 centimeters

Ghearman
>>110164955

when has it ever been stated that Muzan kills off the loser in the blood battles? Gyokko was a trash villain but it has never been stated that Gyutaro would be above Gyokko. Only thing we know for sure is that Daki is Gyutaro "weakness". Agreed about Tengen though

Chimpman
>>110100304

He isn't one of the strongest. In terms of like "arm wrestling" he has more brute strength than most hashira but in terms of fighting he's like the second weakest of all the hashira. That's a fact, bro. Stop denying it.

ok
>>110093430

and yet the past like 4 episodes have been great

ok
>>110096308

just you that is an insane statement my god

ok
>>110097642

All this just to be wrong about Tengen not being one of the weaker Hashira. Just making it confusing for them dude.

ok
>>110097822

Had to take the like back after the "Tengen is the 2nd strongest Hashira" because what

ok
>>110101940

The funny part is I really believed you when you opened with "these are not spoilers."

WTT_321

Damn. Muichiro burning the Upper 5th demon not only with his attacks, but also sass lol 😂

Arkan Matlub
>>110174905

Who would you say is the 1-3 ranked? Ik the buddha dude is the strongest, but is wind hashira the second?

✨《HENTAI GOD》✨
>>110105321

Bro no need to be a fucking dick when i looked it up when i was curious it said tanjiro was 13 and tokito was 14 it must of gave me tanjiros age in season 1 so no need for the slandering.

✨《HENTAI GOD》✨
>>110105321

I see that i was wrong but when i looked it up when i was curious it said tanjiro was 13 and tokito was 14 it must of gave me tanjiros age in season 1

✨《HENTAI GOD》✨
>>110105321

I see that i was wrong but when i looked it up when i was curious it said tanjiro was 13 and tokito was 14 it must of gave me tanjiros age in season 1

✨《HENTAI GOD》✨
>>110105321

I see that i was wrong but when i looked it up when i was curious it said tanjiro was 13 and tokito was 14 it must of gave me tanjiros age in season 1

✨《HENTAI GOD》✨
>>110105321

I see that i was wrong but when i looked it up when i was curious it said tanjiro was 13 and tokito was 14 it must of gave me tanjiros age in season 1

«十»EliteJay

I mean, uzui did say he wasn't as talented as muichiro

Sasha

Roshi continuing his down bad era with "the foreskin😮" just a joke

Senjioh

When your opponent is a 10 year old and that 10 year old has abs you have already lost just walk away.

Infinity

Him getting clapped makes sense later when they explain the marks.

Infinity
>>110164955

you coping bro tengen was one of the weakest. He doesn't even unlock his curse mark. Without that you're not even in the top 4.

Rasputin (Ras)

according to the manga the appearance of the mark multiplies a slayer's strength by leaps and bounds. which is why slayers seem to lose greatly until the mark manifests (in tanjiros case when it grows) so power scaling the hashira against that demon is without the mark tokito got clapped by a low level trap then after the mark shows up he beats the demon without really having to try. they are trying to show the significance of the marks power but i can agree they made it pretty hard to tell that.

Brobi-Wan Kenobi

If I have to see Rengoku one more time I'm suing ufotable for emotional damages.

danial javady
>>110097642

Shows evidence -> Responds with blanket assertion without any Classic! Again, if you want to look at things one dimensionally and superficially, yes, that's how you should view it. But the details flew by you clearly.

YungZeus
>>110270314

Demon slayer way of making an “emotional” scene, they just use the “Rengoku card” for emotional points.

Brobi-Wan Kenobi
>>110270314

I disagree although you are entitled to your opinion. I personally think one of Demon Slayer's strengths as an anime is the emotional scenes. The show is very good at getting the audience to care for and/or come to understand characters they previously did not in a short span of time. Because of that a lot of people quickly became attached to Rengoku so showing him just adds an extra punch to already emotional scenes.

CornCobBob
>>110100194

What are you guys talking about? Rengoku weak? He almost solo'd upper three by himself with no demon slayer mark. Every one of the upper 3 Upper Moons take at least 2 Hashira level demons slayers at least to fight.

Pocparks

muzan really not the best judge of power level if that guy was upper 5 while gyutaro and daki were upper 6 fr. lowkey wish we wouldve got to see a upper rank demon staff meeting while gyutaro and daki were still alive,, like which one of them would go? would it be gyutaro or daki? or would muzan make them split up and have them both there?

Koifull
>>110142221

I mean...this anime does have teleportation in it so ya wrong about that

Ghoullie
>>111019680

to be fair tho in the last season, Tengen had an internal monolouge about how hes not the strongest Hashira -- Muichiro is already a lot stronger than him (there is an official strength ranking if you're interested). That along with Gyutaro's "gotta kill my sis at the same time" trick and Muichiro being marked up in this fight, it tracks. (edit: no official ranking, im wrong about that)

snowy

Tokito is just him

muxakara!
>>110142221

never has it been stated so far that any of the hashira can do so. so don't even try that lil bro. even when rengoku turned into a speeding flame pillar it still took him a minute or two to get all the way down to where the demon was holding that little girl captive on the tracks last season.

muxakara!
>>110146143

imma be honest i feel like if gyutaro was in the same position as gyokko that tokito would have been high diffed. i cant say for sure because tokito is leagues ahead of tanjiro at this very point, and he also had a demon slayer mark relatively longer and quicker than tanjiro did. but somethings telling me it would not have mattered so long as gyutaro was able to land even one poisonous hit on him. which tbh is not impossible especially if gyokko was able to trap tokito relatively easily whilst he almost died in there. its a fine lining but damn.

muxakara!
>>110117312

yup upper 6 was gyutaro and daki. gyokko is upper 5 and hantengu is upper 4.

muxakara!
>>110111307

depends. but because idk if youre anime only im not going to say anything that could ruin your anticipation.

Markus Bryant

1) Muichiro is 14 years old. He had been a demon slayer for 3 years at this point 2) Gyokko wasn’t weak, Muichiro with the mark was just that much stronger. Gyokko is what I like to call a scaling villain. Kind of like the Anbu Black Ops in Naruto. They always get their ass beat, but they’re supposed to be the best of the best, which just shows how strong the person who beats them is.

quxntum
>>111019680

muzan literally stated in the first episode of this season that the upper moons on ranked on how much humanity they still have not their strength. gyutaro and daki are slow low because their humanity lies in their brother and sister relationship

quxntum
>>110146143

i mean if he would’ve did it alone isn’t that already confirming that he’s stronger than upper 5 and 4? in the data books it’s stated that even gyokko thinks that akaza is slightly better than gyutaro so that would make him upper 4 level

Elena John

Demons are only killed by the sun. Nichirin blades are made with metal from a high mountain that soaks the sunlight, which is why those blades can also kill a demon if it is their actual head. Hantengu (emotion demon) has a main body so slicing his emotion’s heads is like slicing an arm, you have to hit the main body (which was the littlest emotion). Doma (colorful eyes) was able to grow his head back because Akaza hit him, without any sunlight or a nichirin blade. Remember these rules y’all.