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This time when he wanted to spin her around, he couldn’t stop himself, putting his hand on her shoulder and making her face him. “Just fucking tell me, Kimmy.”

Kimmy turned up her palms, like she didn’t know what he wanted to hear or didn’t know how to tell him. Or maybe didn’t think any of this was his business. This made him the maddest.

She paused, mouth open as her brain searched for impossible words. “It’s nothing, Josh,” she said, looking away. “It’s nothing real.”

He shook his head, looking away as well, an acid coal beginning to singe the center of his chest. There it was. The finale.

No hope now, is there, Joshy?

Hope for what? 

He said, “I didn’t know what would happen when I came this weekend. Didn’t know if I should come at all. Not because I didn’t want to, but maybe you would scream at me for not coming already, for—”

“I’m not angry, Josh,” she said softly.

He ran his hand through his hair. “I know. I know you’re not.” He dropped his hand to his thigh. “I didn’t know that it would be like this. If I came this weekend, that it would be like, like this...” He gestured to the room and then toward her. “And that you’d ask me...”

“I just want you to know I want you in my life. I want you in Colleen’s life. I’m trying to welcome you.”

He looked up, he looked down, his heart wringing out in his chest like a swim towel, the sticky sap of heartache slithering through him like treacle. “Okay,” he said, admitting silently to himself now that this in-law apartment was an act of kindness. It wasn’t her fault she’d begun some other affair with an older man. I mean, he’d stayed away for, like, a year, so what did he expect? And he’d dated Karina—or at least gone out with her a few times in ways that friends didn’t do. But this all felt so unfair. So cold.

But not unfamiliar. Not unfamiliar at all.

It felt like all those old searing prongs felt when she’d last lied and betrayed him to his doom. Pulled the rug out from under him, suffocated him with it, rolled him up and pitched him off a deck into frigid lake water. All to get what she wanted. And now she had it all. If she kept her ex-husband in this apartment like a flower in the attic, then she would have everything.

“I’m welcome,” he admitted, hands out like he was surrendering. “But it’s not fair how you have everything.”

Kimmy wasn’t shocked or offended by his claim, saying only, “I don’t have everything, Josh. You’ve only been back in my life for an hour. There’s so much you don’t know.”

“So, tell me then. Tell me what I don’t see.”

Kimmy chewed her cheek, and the way she’d inclined her head and looked to the bedroom floor a meter away from his feet, he knew she didn’t want to talk about this.

“You have our daughter. You have our home. You have an amazing job. You travel. You have Sophie. You have Hyun as a helper. And you’re with a billionaire.”

Kimmy didn’t look up, but she stepped closer to him, eyes traveling to his chest, her hands reaching for him. She put her palms on him and it made his heart gallop in his chest. His temples throbbed.

“I do what I have to do,” she said, and looked up to meet his gaze. “But I love you. It’s you that I love, Josh.”

That hot coal flared like an ember in a breeze, and though he wanted to grit his teeth and spit vitriol, he held her upper arms. Forgot how fine she was, how wonderful her slender arms felt in his grip. Kimmy was close to tears again, and what he saw in those dark eyes was earnest communication. Like a silent voice begging for someone who held their fate to spare them. To not do what would be so easy for them to do.

And right there a hopeful spark lit a flare that illuminated some of the kinder aspects of his life with her. There were things about her he loved. And it wasn’t long ago. In fact, the time he’d spent hating her was very brief. The time he’d spent loving her was long. And it was good.

His hands stroked her upper arms, his neck swelled with the pounding blood. He felt wide awake and electrified. He felt like he could crush Kimmy if he wanted. Like a pop can. Or spiritually, too. He could walk out on her and she would think of him every day for the rest of her life and it would hurt her. She would think of him every day she looked in their daughter’s eyes and saw a piece of the man she’d ruined. He could kiss her. He could throw her on the bed in this dim bedroom. He could fuck her. He could bend her over and fuck her. His muscles were like cords; he could pick her up and toss her out the window she expected him to sit by while she cavorted with the father of his high school bully. He felt strong like the day he’d thrown the chair at Devlin.

He gripped her skinny arms tighter and yanked her close. It was she who kissed him. It was Kimmy’s mouth who sought out his. Not the other way around.

With their mouths together, their breaths intersecting and finding sympathetic pace, their bodies pressed, a lot of the good and true love they’d felt rang in his mind like a distant church bell. His hands stroked from her upper arms, down to circle her wrists. Kimmy melted against him, his kiss like a port-connection supplying her with power. The lightness of her body raced his heart. It felt wonderful to have her body sealed against his own. She was light and nimble and unique; he’d missed how it felt to hold her.

When he’d held Karina, the dissimilarity ached under his fingers; a foreign terrain daunting him with the demand for familiarity. But conversance required sacrifice and venture, and the journey seemed steep uphill. He’d not been up to the task. Not fit enough for travel.

Kimmy’s landscape was familiar. It was easy travel; touch was informal, unpretentious. And obliged. She was his to touch. Even if another man had entered her life, Kimmy was his by law and by surrender. Kimmy had said so herself on the altar the day they were married.

He broke their kiss, and Kimmy looked up with wounded eyes. He had trouble deciphering the source of her wounding. What would make those eyes hurt?

He said, “You want me to sit here in this room and watch out the window as your life moves on?”

“No, Josh,” she said, brow knitting.

“What do you see in him?”

Kimmy looked up and away, seeking to rest her cheek now on his chest again. To escape his questions. To deny him the truth. He wouldn’t let her hide, taking her shoulders and holding her in place.

“His money? His power? You like being in the paper?”

Kimmy stared back at him with dull, sober eyes. She said nothing, like a woman waiting out a storm. Just watching.

He tilted up his chin, almost sneering. “What else, Kimmy? Does he do bad things in bed?”

She winced, turned away a measure like his words disgusted her. He asked her, “Is that it?”

She shook her head no imperceptibly, but not enough he didn’t notice. It was a dismissal. Kimmy thought she was so much better than his petty grievances. Was that it?

“Tell me. What can a fifty-five year old man offer you? Money and power. You don’t think that’s it? What else? Does he have a big horse dick like his son?” He sneered again, disgusted by his own words, but loving the juxtaposition of his awful wife and her lover and now her lover’s father; sin upon sin. Sin with no end.

Kimmy closed her eyes and breathed. When she opened them again, quiet and stony, she said, “What if it’s all of those things?”

He let her shoulders go and made a satisfied sound in his throat. His wife’s depravity confirmed. She was the wicked woman he knew her to be.

But he hated her unbothered acceptance; her casual dismissal of his complaint, the arrogant establishment of how low she would go to get what she wanted.

He shook his head, showing her contempt and a dismissal of his own. If he was braver he would tell her in words. Tell her how she was nothing to him. Tell her how she was beneath him.

“You wanted to know, so now you know,” she said. “What are you going to do about it?”

“What’s there to do?” He jabbed his hands toward the bedroom window. “I guess I’ll sit here to make you happy. I’ll sit here and make your life complete. How does that sound to you?”

Kimmy looked down, put her hands out and touched his waist. “You don’t have to, Josh. It’s up to you.” She slipped her thumbs into the belt loops at his hips and pulled his pelvis into hers. She whispered, “You can always close the blinds.”

His jaw dropped, and he regarded her with awful reproach. He shook his head with comical disbelief, amazed at how she could coil and strike like a snake, when she’d been so sweet and innocent since he first arrived in her lair.

She tugged the belt loops again, instigating, bullying. Challenging him. “It’s up to you what you want to do.”

Their eyes met again. All the things he’d wanted to say to her in his darkest times tumbled on his tongue. It felt good to imagine saying them, but even the smallest actual utterance would put a barrier between them that maybe he couldn’t afford if he wanted to raise a child with her. But saying nothing felt like letting her win. Letting her get away with it.

He stood upright and strong, not backing down from her even though he bit his tongue.

She knew it, too. Smiling wanly, eyes hooded, lips pursing. “I know you hate me.”

“I wish I cared enough to hate you.”

She flashed him a degree-wider smile. “You care. You know you do.”

“Why do you want to torment me?”

She showed grave concern now. “I don’t, Josh. I don’t want to torment you. I want to love you and I want you to love me.” Her hands left his belt loops and pressed on his lower back, just above his ass. She stared into his eyes. The look was deep and probing.

She kissed him again and he let her, twisting his head on his neck to form a better seal against her plump lips. He pressed his pelvis into her. She was soft and receptive, hips moiling against him, locating his hardness, pressing into it. 

The kiss broke as her stomach squashed his rock hard erection, and she looked in his eyes with a hunger he hadn’t seen in over a year. He pressed his brow to her brow, both of them breathing heavy. Pure liquid hate rushed through his ears with a whoosh. Hate not for her but for his own weakness. His sexual reception to the worst his wife offered.

He shook his head no and stepped back. Kimmy was undeterred, untying her robe’s satin belt and letting the folds fall open. He kept shaking his head side to side, simple defiance against her inexorable progress. She tossed the robe to the bed. 

“You’ve been with him?” His voice was a low and mean rumble.

Kimmy showed no reaction to his question, cocking her head like a wise corvid, studying him, pursuing him, stepping into his personal ring, past his shields and armor and where she could sink her poisonous blade into where he was soft and squishy and most vulnerable. He looked away, turning his mouth corners down, like the sight of her disgusted him. She kissed his chin, kissed his neck. Her hand smoothed between his legs, long palm and fingers soaring over his aching denim bulge. He said, “What are you doing?”

“You’re my husband, Josh.” Her hand stroked up and down, squeezed. His knees jellied and the room swooned. He inhaled a sharp intake.

He turned his head farther but she kept kissing his neck and jaw. She said, “You think you’re just going to sit and look out the window?”

All sorts of freaky endeavors flashed in lurid porno clips; Devlin’s cock against his own cock, Kimmy taking Devlin deep inside her while he watched; an old man with white hair and a sagging scrotum under his decrepit horse cock pounding into her while Kimmy squawked in time with his thrusts.

Her hands came together at his waist and undid his belt. She was looking in his eyes. She said, “You’re my husband, Josh.”

Comments

Kat

I’ve only read this once, but I don’t know what to say. Where is Kimmy’s POV? She appears to be playing games with him, and he’s assuming things the way he always does, because of his “sad sack” mentality. What’s going on?

JL23

Yeah...I don't love this. I don't feel like this is going to be the best way for Josh. But it kind of is classic Kimmy, she tries to bulldoze her way through his defenses. If she can't get her way through normal means, then she ramps up the instigation. This is really not at all dissimilar to how she goaded him into sex after the hotel room with Devlin. There are some hints here there may be more to the Keith relationship and her job, things she still wants to keep hidden. "I do what I have to do" seems like a pretty important line. As well as the idea that she still perceives herself as doing this for Josh, and that she isn't looking to move on from him. But yeah, seems like Kimmy from before Josh fell in the lake. I'll wait to see where it goes from here, but I don't find it an especially promising start. And still no Kimmy POV

Glaucon

No Kimmy POV is intentional, to keep the exact story cards the reader wants to see close to the vest.

Glaucon

If we had Kimmy's FULL pov it would show too many cards, the narrative wants to keep us guessing like Josh. He's gonna make whatever choice without full knowledge (like he always has).

JL23

There are definite hints there is more to her job and relationship with Keith she doesn't want to say. So again, KT wants to still hide all that from us so therefore no Kimmy POV.

Kat

I was thinking the same thing. She’s acting just like she did back in their apartment after sex with Devlin. She started off nice and then turned mean, trying to instigate something with him, using her sexuality because he’s such an easy mark for her. I don’t know anymore. I hesitate to say I’m disappointed, but there’s nothing new here. Kimmy’s POV is being withheld for whatever reason. Only KT knows. It’s really frustrating.

Wayne

Disappointed me too.

JL23

I hope he can resist, and at least say to her, "you say there's so much I don't know, so tell me." Her reaction when he tried that here was for her to amp up the sexual taunting. But he needs to try again. But it's Josh, and Kimmy showing this level of interest is something he can never resist. I'm not even implying it's not genuine, I think she does love him. But she really, really loves being the person he can't live without sexually. She knows the way to get him to stop asking questions is to be like this.

Kat

She seems to be playing games with him, though. Taunting him, trying to turn him on, etc., instead of telling him the truth. Who knows what is true? These two have such bad communication skills, it’s no wonder she’s doing this with him instead of just saying straight out what she wants. Josh, too, is one of the worst communicators.

Kat

Yes, she’s using her body to get what she wants and to get him to stop asking questions. I think she really loves him, too. You’d think there would have been some growth in both of them in the past year, Josh nearly dying, breaking up, Josh having a mental breakdown, Kimmy having a child, etc., but it’s the same as before. I worry about these two being parents. I’m actually glad that kid has Hyun!

Glaucon

Definitely feels like both Kimmy is hiding a darker element to what's really going on with Keith AND she's manipulating Josh to maneuver him where she wants.

JL23

To me, it's a sign there is something more to this. Or, like with Devlin, she's just trying to stop him from leaving her. She basically admitted that was what the taunting with Devlin was designed for, to keep him focused on his lust so he wouldn't leave her. I guess I still don't love it, but to me it's at least a sign that's she genuine in saying she wants him in her life. I think she turned to this because she was afraid of him walking out on her, and maybe for good.

Kat

You may be right. She’s up to something for sure.

JL23

If I want to read it in a positive light, I think she was probably terrified if he walked out here and didn't take the apartment, that meant the end for them. And she went to the place she knew she could prevent it.

Wayne

In some ways this is more mentally difficult than when Josh walked off the pier. She pretty much admits she us doing all this for herself. The power, the money, the horse cock. She doesn't care if Josh is truly in their lives. She needs him there so she can continue her need for having someone to humiliate. I can only hope Josh throws a 'perverbial chair' at Kimmy.

Pete

This strikes me as consistent, for Josh. We've talked about hopes for Josh.... That he'll be stronger. That he'll "be a man." That he's changed, and that throwing the chair at Devlin a few books back proves it. But Josh isn't strong. He isn't strong. He never has been. Josh isn't assertive, or resolved, or determined, or even capable of facing hard truths or hard moments. Consider: He's had a full year. On his own. Away from Kimmy. Time he could have used to heal and grow. He could have... divorced Kimmy, moved on with someone else, or worked with a counselor to get over Kimmy and work on himself. But he did none of that. In fact, he did the opposite: He was so distraught over losing Kimmy that he had to take a hiatus from work. He's been a mess....a shell of his former self. And that's consistent with the Josh we've seen through most of the early DITW books. To me it suggests that the "stronger" Josh we saw glimpses of over the last few books was just a mirage. Just a flash in the pan. This last book...him leaving his job, him despondent over being without Kimmy, him whining "woe is me", and "you have everything," and him now crumbling to Kimmy's seduction..... it's all consistent with who he's always been. A good person, yes, but certainly not a strong person. (At least, IMHO.) All that said, to Kimmy's credit, I don't think Kimmy needs Josh to "be a man," to find him lovable. I think she loves him warts and all: A virtue in Kimmy, despite all her faults.

Wayne

One more thought.... Kimmy says, " you think your just going to sit and watch out the window?"...Then she tells him "you're my husband Josh".... all she needs to add is 'your going to be there too'....

Kat

I agree with you. If she loves him, like she said, and wants him in her life, she’s going to do what she has to do to keep him. Because we don’t have her POV we’re left to assume her motives. She did say in another chapter that it took a whole year to prepare for him, and that the past 7 months were hard for her. That doesn’t sound like a woman who “has it all”, and is enjoying her life. It also doesn’t sound like someone who is having a serious relationship with his bully’s dad.

Kat

We still don’t have her POV, so it could all be something else.🤞 But I’m still not holding my breath. I’m going to be really upset of this all ends up with him in that apartment with her taunting and using her body to keep him.

Kat

This is great, Pete. You’ve summed it up well. I’m still upset, though. Lol

Kat

It’s been very painful to read and to wait for answers. It would probably be different if we were reading it chapter by chapter in a completed book, but nevertheless this is what we have.

Kat

I feel as tortured as Josh right now. 🥺 🫠

Tracey52

Thanks KT for posting. Im sure you’re hard at work while we wait in anticipation. As I feared though, more questions than answers, although where this is heading appears somewhat clearer. Does Kimmy really get her cake and it it too? Get everything. If we’re not to take things as they appear to Josh, then what? She says “l do what I have to do” and when she says “ what if it’s all those things” it could mean be none of those things. Is she testing Josh? You’re my husband. You can do what you want. Is she trying to figure out what he wants? I have this very faint hope that she is pushing him to man up and break from the woe is me and take charge, decide what he really wants and really saves her. However, that seems increasingly unlikely, the more she seems to confirm his worst fears. I feel like the apostles must have felt at the last supper! Despair and only faith keeping them going. I have faith that KT will write the book and ending she believes is best, but who gets crucified? If not either Kimmy or Josh (most likely) then maybe us the reader. More waiting to find out.

Kat

I was thinking that, too, that she was taunting him to get him to take charge.

Andrew Mellein

So it appears Kimmy wants Josh to be cuckolded by Keith while he watches. And she doesn't remember that was one reason why he almost took his life! Also why is Josh so weak again? Not even one book ago he was adamant that he didn't even want Kimmy to sit with him. Now he's acting like a big simp and entertaining the idea of living in that mausoleum and even justifying Kimmy fucking Keith. They are still legally married! I'm bummed that there is no Kimmy POV like some others on here but I get that impression that she is now being blackmailed. And that's a reason KT's withholding the POV. But either way that's not enough and a excuse for Josh to stick with Kimmy especially after this revelation. So I am still bummed at where this is going!

Andrew Mellein

Glaucon that's fine and all. But we only have so many chapter's left! And I feel like this ending is being shoehorned in a certain way where character's personalities are changing to get to that specific ending!

Andrew Mellein

I think she is being blackmailed. That's the only explanation for not going to jail. But what happened to that tape of Devlin that she shot. But either way it's not enough for Josh to stick around. And I don't believe for a second that he would entertain staying. Maybe for Colleen? But he seems whooped again and Kimmy is back to being a sexual sadist and entrapper. It feels like these characters haven't matured and evolved. Which is disappointing.

Andrew Mellein

She's going to make him sit in the corner again like a good boy while she gets banged by Keith. Josh will be probably accept it because he is being written as a big simp right now. When a couple books before that was further from the truth. That was a reason he almost drowned.

Andrew Mellein

He didn't even want Kimmy to sit and watch TV with him. And he also fled to a hotel. it's like both Josh and Kimmy's characters have regressed back to their old states. They haven't matured and evolved. All to shoehorn in the Manus Dare cuckold ending. I hope I am wrong. But it's starting to look like it.

Andrew Mellein

I am close to tapping out and coming back when KT starts or picks up a different series. Maybe two more chapters max!

JL23

One other thing I didn’t see a comment on yet, and another thing that disappointed me a little. Josh does admit the relationship with Karina progressed a little but further than I thought, but in the end it didn’t compare to what he felt for Kimmy. That’s probably honest and true, but I kind of hate that we yadda yadda’d Karina. But maybe that’s for the best we didn’t see it. I wonder how they parted, maybe she’s also not really talking to Josh anymore either.

Andrew Mellein

No mention if they were intimate. Being that Josh just discounted Kimmy having sex with Keith as his having gone on dates with Karina too. So it's o.k. if KImmy had sex with Keith because Josh went on dates with Karina but didn't have a sexual relationship with her so it's fair. RIGHT!

JL23

I don’t think they had sex, but he hints at greater level of intimacy with Karina. He compares what it felt like to hold Karina (foreign, unnatural) to how natural and right it felt to have Kimmy in his arms. So it was more than just a couple of casual dates. I think there was a legitimate effort to start a relationship.

Andrew Mellein

For me the only way I would remotely accept it is if Josh had sexual relations with Karina due to their separation. But it appears Josh only went on few chaste dates with Karina while Kimmy took off her wedding ring and was fucking Keith all over the place. So after she confessed I would have demanded the house money she stole, told her i want a divorce, and walked the fuck out.

JL23

Max had that issue, at least initially, but Geoff certainly didn’t! Maybe that’s why Geoff is my favorite husband. But give Max credit, he’s making quite the comeback with Keely.

Andrew Mellein

I hope all this is a trick by Kimmy. Remember Josh kink was he liked the fantasy of not knowing. It was killed because Kimmy was really having an affair.

Andrew Mellein

So KT is reading are comments and probably laughing at us the whole time!

Andrew Mellein

Also Six Weeks in Winter. Its more of a cuckold/hotwife story with older woman and younger man characters. But I could see the husband down for it.

Andrew Mellein

Also the husband from Happy Endings! Which I think is KT’s underrated masterpiece.

Kat

If it’s a test, maybe her plan is for Hyun and Sophie to move into the apartment if Josh moves back with Kimmy?

Andrew Mellein

Sorry KT. I am sticking with it. I have invested too much and I want to see the conclusion.

Kat

I was hoping that maybe the apartment was an offering to him, so he could come back into her life without having to be near her all the time. She doesn’t know where his head is at. She didn’t know if he’d accept Colleen as his daughter. For all she knows, he has no interest in being with her again. If he takes the apartment, they have time to get to know each other again, and then maybe reunite. That’s what I was hoping. That’s the normal thing. Kimmy and Josh’s relationship is not typical. We don’t know what Kimmy’s been up to. All we have are a few thoughts of Kimmy’s. “Fifteen minutes ticked by at the same mucky pace the last seven months passed. Every second battened on dread and drama.  She had never been more nervous in her life. A man it had taken a whole year to prepare for. So much had to be in place before she would ever be able to receive Josh as a guest in her home. Really, in their home.” These don’t sound like the thoughts of a woman who wants to cuckold her husband with her 56 year old boss. She seemed desperate in the earlier scene for Josh to stay. Now she’s all old Kimmy, taunting and tormenting him into sex to keep him from leaving. If this were me only reading and surmising the contents myself (without reading the comments from everyone…which by the way I love to do, that’s the fun part. :) ), I would say she’s testing him, faking him out about Stone, etc. She wants him back, but there’s something she’s holding back from him and from us. Kimmy is now torturing me, along with Josh. Lol

Wayne

Another theory.... Kimmy insinuates that Stone, Sr saved her. But saved her from what? She also said in this chapter that her relationship with Sr "it's nothing real". She insists she loves Josh, and in some ways I think she does. And, she doesn't want him to leave. Now, I can't believe after all this time Devlin is out of the story line. What if....Sr is using Kimmy as arm candy in exchange for keeping Devlin away from her. Maybe the threat of jail is from Devlin, not Sr. And, let's face it. I don't think Devlin would take to kindly to being rebuffed by Kimmy the way she did. I don't think Sr is his son's biggest fan anyway. So Maybe he went Team Kimmy against his son. Far fetched, I know, but so damn fun!!!!!

Tracey52

Acherontic winges. I assume this pertains to Josh’s predicament? Is the soul of the dead here his life as he knew it and he is being transported into hades or is it possible he is being transported from hades?

John

Many comments wondering whether Kimmy is having sex with Kieth but end of last chapter didn’t she nod (yes) when Josh first asked? Am I glitching?

Kat

At first I thought yes, but now I’m not sure. It’s very confusing without Kimmy’s POV.

Andrew Mellein

We are theorizing that Kimmy is testing Josh and she didn’t have sex with Keith. Shes ramping up his inner kink about suffering and “not knowing”. But it still opens up other worms storywise.

Glaucon

Many of the first few books were written this way (think of how long until Kimmy gave us any insight into what really happened at the party, even initially). Taking a timeskip like this puts us back into that sort of scenario, where we want to know what happened but for the story's purpose a fulsome Kimmy POV would give too much away.

Glaucon

Just a thought I wanted to share, re: "strong", I sometimes feel we talk about strength in too simplistic terms. ie. Josh is weak, Kimmy is strong. Like, Josh often thinks in terms of being more motivated by love. Here, he loves Colleen and despite wishing that he didn't, much of him still loves Kimmy too. In a horrible, tragic way, he just might be willing to make terrible compromises for the sake of that love. Often when we have Kimmy's POV, she tells herself she loves Josh and then takes an action to harm him, even describing it in terms of impulses she can't resist (ex. the shoplifting, Devlin at the party, embezzling). Is what we are seeing there "weakness" and "strength" respectively? Maybe. But I think it's something more complicated.

JL23

If she wasn't sleeping with Keith, and this was all designed as a test, I don't think she responds meekly as she did in the last chapter. She goes right to defiant, as she does eventually in this chapter. She may have decided to test him now, but I read her reaction in the past chapter to mean she has slept with Keith. Exactly why she is would be the question to me.

Glaucon

If there's one lesson we can learn from these books it's just because Kimmy says something, doesn't mean it's true!

Glaucon

In other words, Josh sometimes thinks about ways he could lash out or hurt Kimmy, but doesn't do them, whereas we know Kimmy has little compunction against hurting Josh. Is willingness to hurt your loved ones strength and unwillingness weakness?

Steve McCarty

As I wait for more details about how much of an asshole/demon Old Man Stone is or is not, I am guardedly optimistic because Kimmy in this last chapter was singing to me and she sounds like Olivia Newton John: "you better shape up cause I need a man and my heart is set on you" Also the makeover was a success as Kimmy has had a difficult time keeping her hands off her husband.

Donkatsu

G, I chose to use the terms tough and soft to avoid the complexities and multiple interpretations of strong (generally positive) and weak (generally negative). Tough can be positive when it refers to picking oneself off the floor and persevering - Kimmy is tough in that regard. It can also mean stubborn and stupid - and Kimmy is sometimes that as well, while strong often carries a positive inference.

JL23

Here is where I think she makes the decision to ramp up the sexual taunting in the moment. They kiss, and Josh breaks it off. She looks at him wounded and hurt. He then starts asking her what she sees in Keith: "What else, Kimmy? Does he do that bad things in bed?" "She winced, turned away a measure like his words disgusted her." "She shook her head no imperceptibly, but not enough he didn't notice. It was a dismissal." Then more questions about Keith from Josh. Then this. "Kimmy closed her eyes and breathed. When she opened them up again, quiet and stony, she said, 'What if it's all of those things?" Josh took that as a dismissal, that she was being cruel to him. But what if the wincing, the imperceptible shake of the head and closing her eyes to take a breath was all about Kimmy. Kimmy trying to keep calm because she's not ready to tell Josh the truth. To keep herself from ramping up to the teasing she didn't want to start here, but that she knows will get Josh to stop asking things or leaving. In the end, she determined it was the only way to keep him there and she committed to it. And then really got into it.

Kat

She’s doing what she knows will work. But, what is it that she’s avoiding telling him? Is it Stone? Is she doing something in her job that she doesn’t want him to know about? It just feels like after all this time and 15 books she’d have learned to just tell him the truth. Her lies nearly cost him his life.

Andrew Mellein

Kimmy is a “Witchy Woman”. In case anyone is wondering I was listening to the Eagles in my car.🤣🤣

Andrew Mellein

Is is not too late for Josh to look at the paternity test🤣🤣

JL23

I'll just go with the simplest explanation. It will end being wrong lol, but it seems like she needs/wants him to be close to her, but there is also something she's not ready to be totally honest about her situation. Doesn't really explain anything, but I do not think everything is resolved on her end and she's just trying to manipulate him again into accepting his cuckold desires. I think she's turning to it to keep him engaged until she can actually earn him back. Maybe she's going to wprk towards getting him to accept that lifestyle together while she's working on whatever else is happening.

Kat

Does anyone think Kimmy might be trying to get pregnant again? I don’t know. The thought just came to me right now.

Donkatsu

Maybe Old Man Stone has given Kimmy cause to recalibrate her earlier efforts to disentangle herself from the Family Stone. Devlin was clearly kept on a short leash by the Old Man. He did not get any of the really posh foreign travel, he did not have really big bucks, and he was never a brain surgeon. Kimmy sees that the vetus lapis has big money, knows everyone in Canada, Washington, Hong Kong, etc., can make a call to end felony proceedings, has tailors and dress designers who come to my office now, etc. Oh, and did I mention the biggus dickus? Kimmy says, I used to be in deep kimchee, I actually had to steal money to pay for my own clothes, Devlin’s private jet only had a range of 3200 NM. None of that applies with the old man. I’ve got to get Josh on board with this somehow. I know he wants it, and I just have to find the correct entry point. The title of this chapter may offer some clue: "Dark complaints" or perhaps "moans from Hell".

Bill

Okay, I need help with this chapter! I can’t figure out these quotes. I must have read this chapter 30 times, at least. I’ve been going back and forth. Could somebody please try to explain this to me? “It’s nothing, Josh,” she said, looking away. “It’s nothing real.” I interpreted this to mean that she’s in a relationship with Keith Stone but it’s one that she’s in because she has to be. Like it’s part of a deal she made with Keith Stone to stay out of jail. ********** “I do what I have to do,” she said, and looked up to meet his gaze. “But I love you. It’s you that I love, Josh.” This one actually gives me hope that there will be a HEA ending. By saying, “I do what I have to do,” could she be talking about her ‘deal’ with Keith Stone? It sounds like she means she’s doing what she has to do to keep from going to jail, not because she’s romantically involved with Stone Sr. That’s how I read it anyway. ************ Now, the troubling quotes. When Josh asks her, “What do you see in him?” And lists money, power, being in the paper and a big dick, Kimmy says, “What if it’s all of those things?” I don’t understand what she’s doing here. I’ve been going over this since I first read it last night. She’s pushing his buttons, isn’t she? But she was being so calm and nice just before this! I don’t get it. **************** Kimmy looked down, put her hands out and touched his waist. “You don’t have to, Josh. It’s up to you.” She slipped her thumbs into the belt loops at his hips and pulled his pelvis into hers. She whispered, “You can always close the blinds.” As someone hoping for a HEA ending, this one worries me. I assume she’s talking about cuckolding Josh with Stone Sr. Then she’s trying to get Josh to have sex with her. Josh says, “You’ve been with him?” His voice was a low and mean rumble. Did she have sex with Keith earlier that day? Maybe before the housewarming? Is she trying to give Josh sloppy-seconds? ****************** Why does she tell him (twice), “You’re my husband, Josh.” I don’t even have a clue about this one. Thanks!!

JL23

First two I think are her attempt to reassure him that she's not saying she's leaving him for Keith Stone. And may also be her attempt to stop questions she's not ready to answer. The last 2 I read as her realizing her attempts at reassurance were not working. So she appealed to his baser instincts. She knows he hates the evil manipulative Kimmy, but it also revves his engine. If she can't yet explain or "earn" him back but still desires to, this at least keeps him engaged with her. But again, I'm probably feeling more charitable that most are inclined to be to Kimmy. I just sense there is too much genuine emotion she's showing him before she resorts to the taunting to think she's not using that as something of a stall tactic.

Kat

I agree with JL that she’s showing genuine emotion, too. I agree about the “it’s nothing” comment, as well. If she’s doing anything with Stone, she’s telling Josh that it means nothing to her, so it shouldn’t matter to him. I think the other stuff is her trying to get him to stay there in the way she knows best. She knows he can’t resist her when she’s bad, so she’s turning on her charm. I think on a side note she’s doing this because she’s desperate for him to stay, and she wants the closeness with him. She wants to have sex with him for her own needs. Why, we don’t know. Nothing makes sense in these last couple chapters. The only thing I think is real is her emotion and her softness towards him. She only toughened up with him when he started asking questions she didn’t want to answer. Tough Kimmy, wicked Kimmy scares Josh, but it also wildly turns him on.

Kat

KT, will you be doing any more renderings of Josh and Kimmy, and maybe baby Colleen? I’d love to see some of that. I like to put a face with the story. Or maybe Keith Stone and Kimmy? The $14,000 picture, perhaps?

Bill

But do you guys think she wants to cuckold him with Keith? That’s what I think.

Bill

Yes!! With Josh not Keith.

Kat

I’m not sure. I just don’t see how that would work for Josh. Anyone named Stone would be a non starter for Josh, even if he was willing and trusted her again.

Kat

I’m probably wrong, but I could see it happening.

Kat

I agree, Chris. That’s why none of this makes any sense, and why I’m not convinced that she’s with Stone in any significant way. If she loves him, like she says, and she’s even kept in touch with his mom, she has to know that this would be an unwise path for her. Sophie and Meyer have told her things, too, so I’m sure she knows all about his mental breakdown. Hell, she sat with him in the hospital when he was in a coma, because of the he things she did. I’m really hoping it’s something else. The last few books feel completely removed from this last one.

Andrew Mellein

If she did get pregnant with Keith it would probably be for monetary value and to be set for life. But I hope not. It would turn this story from depressing to gross.

Kat

Totally gross. 🤮

Pete

Bill, you may be right that she may want to cuckold him with Keith. In one of the middle books, Kimmy shares a few sentences with Josh, directly admitting to him her Sadistic side. It suggested to me, at the time, that while at first she was uncomfortable with it, she had begun to accept that part of herself. Maybe a year ago, it was still just a work in progress; and perhaps now, it's more deeply embedded/accepted. As for anything with a Stone being a non-starter, I'm not so sure. I was "sure" I knew what Josh would and wouldn't do in the past, and he's surprised me. 3 examples come to mind: Jerking off into Kimmy's panties was the first, wearing those panties for Devlin was the second, and then showing them to Devlin, UNPROMPTED, was the big and most jarring third example. That last one still "haunts" me, and suggests that ...just maybe.... what we've seen of Josh's kink was just the small tip of what could be a very large iceberg. Maybe Kimmy is determined to melt it? Maybe she doesn't want vanilla Josh? She's lived without him for a year, now. It wouldn't surprise me if she's now set terms (in her own mind) for taking him back.

Kat

I know, wouldn’t it? I can picture the $14,000 picture of Kimmy, but not Stone Sr. I’d love to see what caused Meyer’s broken arm. Lol jk

Bill

JL, do you think it’s part of a deal she made with Keith? That’s what I think.

JL23

Yes on baby Colleen. Maybe of Josh holding her that first time. As we get back into the darkness a bit I'd love to hold onto that beautiful image Kimmy painted in that chapter.

Andrew Mellein

I always wanted KT to do something like that for Six Weeks in Winter. In the story Maceo the foreign exchange student is an artist and he paints Janey the wife in a robe but with one of her breasts exposed. They give the artwork to the husband and he is overwhelmed and in love with his wife and the way the artwork makes her youthful. I would have loved for KT to design that image maybe for the cover of book 3 whenever she picks it up?

JL23

It's possible. I'm probably the last person who should guess, I'm generally wrong. And typically when I have some hope after a chapter of Kimmy/Josh working it out, KT seemingly dashes it somehow in the next one. What I'm pretty sure of: 1) Kimmy is being genuine when she indicates she loves Josh and wants to be with him. Whether he can accept her terms is another story. 2) Kimmy is hiding SOMETHING about how she got to this point. There is something she doesn't yet want to explain that would show her current status is not nearly as good as Josh assumes it is. 3)I have a hard time believing #2 involves Keith Stone forcing her to have sex with him. Other than that, anyone's guess is probably better than mine. 🤷

Kat

That would be amazing. I reread that chapter again today. It helped cleanse the gross thoughts of Kimmy and Keith Stone together, and Josh watching them, sitting in a dark corner. 🙁

Kat

I’m outside on my deck listening to Boys of Summer! 😂

Bill

Does Karina have black hair? I only ask because KT mentions Kimmy pulling a black hair off Josh.

JL23

Karina has blonde hair.

Tracey52

She did think that Josh would eventually love being cuckolded when he found out the truth but Devlin jumped the gun and jumped too soon. Maybe she is trying again.

Bill

Pete, do you remember a scene, I don’t know the book, but Kimmy tells Josh how much she loves him, but adds “I love humiliating you too”. I wonder if we’re thinking of the same scene?

Kat

You summed it up pretty well, JL. We need answers….SOON! Lol

Andrew Mellein

i have been listening to a lot of classic rock this summer!

Bill

Yeah, Andrew, I thought there was something strange how she told Josh she has the paperwork. Twice she told him that but Josh said he didn’t need to see it. I don’t know, something seemed a little off about how she asked him.

Kat

I listen to a lot of classic ‘70’s rock, and alt rock mostly ‘90’s.

Kat

Thank you, LS! I like to think so. Lol

Bill F Protagoras

“Now you want to talk? All summer that’s what I wanted, but everything you said was just an excuse you could use to put me in a holding pattern. Make me sit on my hands and take it. Take all the shit you heaped on my lap and told me I liked. Kimmy shook her head, eyes pleading. “I can’t hurt you anymore and I don’t deserve your compassion. I don’t deserve your support.” “I don’t deserve you, Josh. I don’t want to hurt you anymore. I never wanted to hurt you. Not for real. But everything I did ended up destroying who you are.” “It’s over. All of it is over.” “You’re the cruelest person I know. I’ve never met anyone worse than you.” “I started something I can’t stop, Josh. And now it’s out of control. I don’t want you to get run over. You’re the kind of man who’d step in the way to save me, and I don’t want that. I want to burn all by myself.” "Grab Kimmy at the elevator and kiss her, bring her back to the apartment and tell her they would make it all work. But why? For more pain? More rejection? How many time would she have to kick him in the balls before he’d leave her alone?" Timeō Danaōs et dōna ferentēs,

Kat

I love CCR!

Kat

AC/DC…Kimmy’s ringing Hell’s Bells while doing her Dirty Deeds. Corny, I know. 🙈

Kat

Lol 🤣🤣🤣

Kat

ELO Evil Woman

Bill F Protagoras

As Kimmy Chang's husband, Josh would be entitled to present evidence of sexual abuse and improprietes by her superiors in upper management of Stones Brokerage... Naturally, this would require Josh Waters to expose himself to the shame of being the direct target of victimisation, of emotional distress and hardship. “You want to know the truth? You want to hear it? I woke up in the bunkie and I thought I’d told them the truth. Told all the people at the party what you did. What you made me do.” His jaw clenched hard, his brow lowering, feeling the red heat of emotion coursing through his veins. When he spoke, he jabbed his chin toward her, saying, “I told you this, Kimmy. I thought I got so drunk I told them the real truth. The real reason they had to throw me a party. That’s why, Kimmy. I thought I told them the truth. And the truth is so bad I wanted to run away.” Kimmy’s eyes welled with tears and the sight of genuine emotion from her surprised him. Her chin dimpled and her lips wriggled. And she didn’t look away. Forced herself to keep her eyes on his. A sudden softness formed around his heart. Like he’d gotten through to her. Like she’d joined a cult and abandoned her family, but this was the first sign the deprogramming could work. Like the woman he loved was still in there somewhere. “I didn’t go in the water on purpose,” he said. “It would be great if you believed that I did. That would make things so much easier for me. Because you don’t seem to realize your actions have consequences. But they do, Kimmy. I didn’t go in the water on purpose, but I ran from your lies. I ran from your crimes. I ran because the shame I would feel if my friends knew?—now that would kill me. That would really kill me. I ran and ran until there was no more dock. Okay?” Milquetoast man... THE SIGHT OF GENUINE EMOTION FROM 'HER' SURPRISED HIM! "But this all felt so unfair. So cold. But not unfamiliar. Not unfamiliar at all." “You’re my husband, Josh.” Her hands came together at his waist and undid his belt. She was looking in his eyes. She said, “You’re my husband, Josh.” "I own you... for all you're worth!"

Bill F Protagoras

I admired Kimmy as an antihero. I admired Kimmy when she inverted,usurped, the sexual role of wife husband... now she has moved on to absentee mother. Shame doesn't bother her like an affront to her pride! Effrontery is more her bag and not toward just anyone. The reiteration of professions of love in unlikely circumstances ruins their efficacy. Bullying is not a game or a shared sexual frivolity.

Pete

Bill, that might be the same scene I'm thinking of! Now I'm curious. 🤔

Bill

I can’t find it now, Pete. Arghhh!! I’m starting to think I may have dreamt it!!

Bill

Don Henley or the Ataris version?

Bill F Protagoras

As Chis mentioned Keith might prefer an heir to replace numb nuts. One with more potential for intelligence, perhaps with Asian features and upbringing. Who knows with a person tractable and compliant enough... some kind of breeding programme might be successful? Though presenting it as a courtship might be more tactful. The key to a bigger more successful business empire.

Bill F Protagoras

Doing things to test people is a toboggan ride to solitude...

Bill

Okay, thanks JL

Bill F Protagoras

What does Kimmy mean by love then? The way she acts towards Josh does not reflect what I would call love...

Bill

Okay, this was a mistake, I think. I looked up the meaning of acherontic and found: “Of, pertaining to or resembling Acheron (one of the rivers located in the underworldaccording to ancient Greekmythology). Of or pertaining to hell.” Probably nothing, I hope. Right?? I was starting to feel a little better about this chapter, too.

Bill F Protagoras

Kimmy's relationship with Keith... love without conviction... my idea of a joke... After all... she's not in gaol. Though she may be imprisoned...

Bill F Protagoras

One of the most original hotwife/cuckolding novels I have read, Andrew. Despite, Dion being a total clueless tosser. Deon?

Bill F Protagoras

For me romantic love is a mutually shared delusion... as Kimmy is sharing nothing for the moment... her claims to love Josh are much more than merely suspect. That she used what was left of Josh's remaining funds without consulting him speaks volumes about how little consideration, let alone love, she has for him. I wonder how safe Hyun feels for her own and Sophie's welfare, seeing how miserly Kimmy's offerings of love for Josh are.

Kat

Henley, of course. 🙂

Bill F Protagoras

Strictly speaking Josh wont even be a husband/householder while living in the Longhouse as his use of the home as a whole would implicitly be restricted. Everything including access to Colleen is contingent on Kimmy's 'generosity!'

Donkatsu

Wasn't that part of the Murdoch follies? Sort of OT. Bill, I promise I will do nothing to piss you off on this board. Kimmy now has a worthy adversary/antagonist and she should be concerned ;)

Bill F Protagoras

The problem is privileged presumptuous people do illegal outrageous things habitually, Donkatsu. As do governments and religions. Eugenics, flat earthers and hollow earthers still stalk our lands, and lochs! Absurdity is commonplace! And yes it was!

John

I agree on all 3 of your points though I also concur with Bill that it is a toxic love in that even in a kink cuckold relationship her actions are selfish and cruel. My own guess is that she’s with Kieth out of kinky lust as much as a means to resolve the legal bind in which she put herself. Also can’t avoid KT’s approvals of test comments and think she’s hoping for Josh to stand up for himself and assert himself - and she would accept assertion either way: to pull her away from it all to restart (and maybe even further to embrace a dominate role in their bedroom and/or life) or to embrace his side of the cuckold kink. The part I can’t quite imagine being plausible is Kimmy imagining any scenario where it would be a happy existence with Josh living to look through the curtains to the point she would have it remodeled for that purpose. Given the nearly successful suicide I can’t imagine a plausible scenario where Josh considers being able to live as a cuck. I do imagine it plausible that Josh snaps akin to the chair scene where he lays down how it’s going to be with Kim. A restart where there’s no tolerance of her extra curricular games rather instead they match to his drum. All that would take is an equivalent moment of chair-anger that gets a response from Kim that rewards him taking charge.

JL23

I don't know that she uses those exact words, but you're probably thinking of the conversation they had the night after the hotel room, when she pleaded with him to come back to talk. He did and, of course they ended up in bed rather than talking. But after that, they did, and that was where Kimmy basically told him that it wasn't the sex that really turned her on. It was more the rush she felt as she built up a sense of power and control over her life, and also the ability to bend others to her will. And while she felt awful she hurt him, she couldn't deny that part of it still turned her on. I believe that was as close as she got to telling him she got off on humiliating him. But I could be missing something. I think she's admitted in her own mind more than a few times that the idea of "controlling" Josh was a turn on. But again, all that was before he fell in the water. It felt like that part of her changed, even when she's steeling herself to face Berg, she says what's she doing now represented a kind of "moral" turn for her. Taking the second half of this chapter at face value would indicate she really hasn't.

Andrew Mellein

They are slaves to the Devil in the Waters.

KT Morrison

From Paradise Lost: "Him the Acherontic Raven, whose black winges are not so black as thine." (The devil speaking) To me the raven represents corruption. And yes the Acheron is the river representing death and suffering and the afterlife.

Bill

I think that's it, JL. Thanks! I looked and couldn't find it anywhere.

Bill

Thanks for clarifying, KT. Death and suffering. That doesn't sound good for Josh & Kimmy...

Bill F Protagoras

Kimmy is frigging herself to the softness of Josh's despondency offering Colleen the semblance of father and motherhood... replacing love and security with the limited requirements of duty. Satisfied by the aching connection of some dog in a bitch panting, nails scrabbling, clumsily arse to arse facing off in opposite directions in unfulfilling rut... Nobody getting anywhere. Held together by a thick knot of fear, not fierce delight. Wasting other people's lives afraid to risk winning back her own. Young bitch living out the dream of being an old dog's favourite trick. Pining for a win but not knowing if she still has it in her. Unconvinced by her own tongue's slathering lies.

Bill F Protagoras

Poor, poor Saint Kimmy forced by further terrenal aspirations to sacrifice her culpable ex-consort's remaining selfesteem on the altar of her ambition. It's not her fault, she's never at fault, he's always been the most convenient scapegoat. It would be a shame to waste the ever flowing youthful font of his gullibility. There's always a few more drops left in him to tide her through the vicissitudes of her sweaty grappling with a new ancient slouching nemesis. It's not her fault the gods have shaped and coddled her many talents. She must make more time on her itinerary for her guardian angel the steadfast uncomplaining Hyun. Not nearly so demanding an attention whore as Josh... of course, if things began running more smoothly with the Boss... those two could keep each other company while his top money maker is on the road. Her nuclear ever-expanding everloving family. Oooooooooooh, he seems to have finished... It's so good to have him back in the fold. He and Colleen really do look so alike when they are asleep... I think I'll let him keep the beard... My charming little man! My husband...

Randy

I’m beginning to think this serious could now be retitled something like “Kimmy finding Kimmy”. It’s not the Kimmy is innocent. Far from it. She’s guilty as hell and she knows it. What Kimmy is discovering is she likes men with money, power, with big cocks who enjoy doing wild crazy things with her in bed AND she loves her husband. Kimmy has decided she wants both. I’m guessing the rest of this book will be about seeing if Josh is able to at least get an awareness of that. Acceptance? Well, that will be up to KT.

Bill F Protagoras

“I just want you to know I want you in my life. I want you in Colleen’s life. I’m trying to welcome you.” On the surface for 15 books an enigmatic damaged Kimmy has been unintentionally undermining a clueless Josh. Rebuilding her life to the detriment of Josh's. I think that I am not alone in thinking that Kimmy has been harbouring some kind of resentment towards this man she claims to love so vehemently. Right now I am having difficulty in recapturing any feeling for the Kimmy I used to love because of the rickety vacillating Josh that now haunts these pages. He is an embarrassment like the homeless making the sanitised city centres unsightly. And an awful adjunct to the finale and italicised mephitic narrative eruptions. He is the embodiment of dearest Kimmy's heartlessness. How gracious of this classy stranger Kimmy to try so hard to rescue this charity case... (Maybe she could let down her Raven tresses). Whilst possibly being an even more desperate victim herself! I mean by offering him what is, supposedly, already by right Colleen's and his, she is placing it at one remove . I'm feeling a bit like Mr Bojangles myself! Dance! Try harder! Not so much an Epilogue as a Wake!

Bill F Protagoras

One question is wailing like a banshee to be answered... Why isn't Kimmy in gaol! This would make her relationship with Keith much clearer. It would also make it clearer, if Kimmy is a total hypocrite who is also an out and out sadist whose tearful repentance at the end of book 14 was a charade. Clearly her love for Josh would not stop her from making his life a misery from the evidence of her recent behaviour... Big dick and time for, and access to it is a high priority for her. “We’re done,” Aaron said, leaning forward, uncrossing his legs so he could put his hand on the door’s handle. “Here’s what’s going to happen next. Expect a call from the Law Society, and if I were you, I would shop for a criminal lawyer.”

Bill F Protagoras

I love Josh every bit as much as much as I love Kimmy. But both are now hanging in the balance... How the fuck did they get there?

Bill F Protagoras

"It wasn’t her fault she’d begun some other affair with an older man." So whose fault was it? The promises and assurances she voluntary made to Josh at the end of Pandaemonium were empty then...

Bill F Protagoras

Mistakes were made now love lies bleeding and all that's left for Josh is a tactful tactical withdrawal... and a life with a beautiful child... a monstrous lover has left in his nest. In this way not all his life is tainted... and he can turn his back on his ex-lover's choice... her final betrayal and denial. She sneaks out of his cuckold's portion of the divvying of their spoils constructed from the remains of their marriage. Off to sleep in the tender arms of another. As total mental exhaustion took him and he sank into a murky soup... Josh seemed to catch the tail ends of a conversation under the eaves of a different place and time... no lullaby... “What about the bad things I’ve done?” “If someone loves you, they’ll forgive you. And if they don’t, they never loved you at all. They were lying the whole time.” So so cold the comfort of renovations... the sacrifices his wife had made unbidden in his name... a dream of life now beyond recall... a life she'd remade with others beyond his ken... in which he was left without a share. Time to cut his losses with flinty paleolithic surgery. Conciliatory fitful sleep...in an oddly familiar strange bed funky with forbidding nostalgia. Then out... Out like a light! Cold comfort farm...

Bill F Protagoras

Kimmy seems convinced that her husband is bottling up anger and resentment behind his melancholy defeatist deportment... what is she concealing behind graceful frigidity and stifled bouts of damp ladylike sorrow? Apart from burning... tonguing exploratory expeditions of lustfulness encroaching into enemy territory. Probing paths of inimical advances... Leading to Josh's inevitable downfall with all the resources placed at her disposal.

Bill F Protagoras

Maryam, the last gift of what might have been from an unselfish, unpresumptuous gift of Kimmy that might've been. Not to Josh but to his unsuspecting friend, Steve. Not to free use Josh, not to him... no Nevermore. Viewed forever more with the... the blinking calculating eyes of the inscrutable battlefield bird, the Raven... and him day after day slimmer pickings... amid the rotten carrion of the larger the better profit principle. Living a life of regret. Sub par, superfluous to all except maybe his little girl's seductively familiar eyes. Someone to cherish in his heart. A broken spar from the wreckage of a homebound ship to cling onto in the the swells of a Homeric wine dark sea... when a muse is dumb.

Bill F Protagoras

Penelope is happy to fuck the well hung suitors whenever they want and the pushy beggar dies an accidental death because of girls' night out on Olympos.

JL23

Not to keep going back to Nia/Geoff but there was a similarity to this chapter and where Nia seduces Geoff when they’re closing the sale of their house. Different manipulation techniques certainly, but the same level of desperation from Kimmy (it seems) to seduce Josh any way she can. I don’t know if Nia was deliberately trying to get pregnant in that scene, I don’t think we’re ever told that, but I can’t say she’s not not trying to get pregnant. Could be something similar with Kimmy. Of course, we can read motive into that, both light and dark. Dark as in she’s already worried she might be pregnant, so needs to give Josh a “reason” why it could be his. Since I’m still of the camp that she did not intend to seduce Josh from the start here, and cause I want to think better of her, I’m going to say that was not the plan. Doesn’t preclude an “oopsie” occurring here, which sets up more baby drama on who the father is. Feels like we’ve been down that road, though maybe this time Kimmy is less certain who the father is.

JL23

We’re on the highway to hell, the highway to hell…but doesn’t mean it won’t get better eventually. We can only hope.

JL23

While we wait (patiently...or as patiently as one can be), I've been thinking about what would leave me "unsatisifed" as far as an ending. I could probably accept, even if I didn't necessarily like, any what I'd call a "dark" ending, something where Kimmy and Josh are not together, or Josh is left in a bad place, etc...so long as the events of Book 14 once the hotel room incident occurs do not just end up as a plot device, to get the characters where we need them to be for this epilogue. Both Kimmy and Josh's reaction to those events was too real for it just to be nothing in this finale. If it's just that we needed a motivating factor for Kimmy to leave, and for Josh to spiral to a point where he needs to accept living at the house and be there for this ending, that'll feel like a "cheat" to me. What we need is some kind of indication that it wasn't just Kimmy got bailed out without consequence by Keith, she's started something up with him on the side, and is now going to tease Josh with it while he's living there, and get him to submit to it. For an ending where he's cuckolded, or an ending where he's not with Kimmy, I need more than that. I need some indication that Kimmy has taken into account her very real terror (in the last book) that she drove Josh to harm himself. That whatever plan she has for Josh, and it seems like she has some vision of a future mapped out for them, is more than just a second take of what she tried to do with him and Devlin. I'd also like it to be not as simple as Kimmy just got "lucky" as she called it here, that Keith Stone solved all her problems lickety split and now she's been living the high life and becoming a corporate titan without any compromise. I guess I could live with this being the case (hey people get lucky) so long as we got some indication that she is trying to address the part above, and maybe the answer becomes what she loses is Josh. But I wouldn't really love a story where Kimmy just gets out of all her jams and loses nothing. For Josh, I'd prefer to see him come to terms with his desires, if the ultimate ending is for him to be cucked. Or decide he can't live with it and move on. I don't want the ending to be he agrees simply because he doesn't want to lose Kimmy, or he just can't resist her, and he still feels all the internal hate, dread and anxiety. Not only would I feel bad for Josh, it wouldn't feel honest that it was what Kimmy would want either, based on the last book. If we get some answers and time spent addressing all that, I can accept an ending where Kimmy and Josh are exploring the cuckold life, or are apart and moving on. I believe there's enough here to tell me there is a plan to address all that. Even if I don't end up agreeing with all of it, I can accept it as "true" based on the growth of the characters through 15 books.

Kat

I agree, Chris. Nia was missing Geoff, and being back at the house made her need the kind of comfort only Geoff could give her. There was no agenda. Kimmy, while I still believe she still loves Josh, is seducing him here for a reason that isn’t all about needing to be close to him. She’s doing what she has to, just like she said earlier in the chapter, “I do what I have to do.”

JL23

Chris, that's why I suspect there is "more" to the story. If she does end up with Josh, it won't be where she manipulated him again, or his fears of losing Kimmy (and his lusts) win out over his own self loathing and anxieties. An ending where Kimmy gets everything: the money, sex, power, all the material trappings, and she gets Josh to submit to being with her on her terms...doesn't seem realistic to me. And wouldn't ring true to the Kimmy we saw last. It feels the last thing that Kimmy would actually want is a Josh still tormenting and hating himself for being with her. An ending where she has all those other things, but it doesn't work with Josh, that's a believable ending. Cause whether you have a view that Kimmy's "need" for Josh is genuine or if it's just part of her need to control and have everything, her not being with Josh at the end would be seen by her as something that she lost. And in my mind, she'd see that as the biggest loss of anything.

Kat

JL, I agree with you. Kimmy having “everything”, but not having Josh would be considered a huge loss to her. There’s something about having Josh as her husband that Kimmy desperately needs. She doesn’t show it on the outside, but we’ve read her thoughts. She craves power, sex and luxury, but she needs Josh. Maybe it’s that she enjoys being in control (she said she’s the strength and he’s the heart), but needs the tenderness that only Josh can provide. I’m still hoping against hope that this thing with Keith Stone is a fake out by Kimmy, using it to test Josh, to taunt him, to bend him to her will. She still believes he’s turned on by it all. And he is, but not enough to agree to be cuckolded by yet another Stone. That’s what I believe. Josh needs to trust her, and right now he doesn’t. She also hasn’t made enough amends to him. She’s holding back. I really hope we get some answers soon, whether I like them or not. None of this makes sense, especially from where we were in the last book. Taunting and tormenting a man who nearly died and had a mental breakdown seems incongruent with where we left these characters a year before. I’m going to so disappointed if this is how the story ends. I wonder how many chapters are left?

JL23

I believe she loves Josh genuinely, but I also believe she sees him as her "tether" to the real world. Without him, she could spiral into being another Devlin. Obsessed with work, power and control, and alienating everyone who truly loves her. We can already see signs of that, with her seeming over reliance on Hyun to take care of Colleen. How is she going to feel about her mom never being there and consistently choosing work over her as she gets older? Maybe she ends up just raising another Devlin, who resents her to the point she ends up plotting against her own mother later in live as kind of revenge, or cause simply that's what she think is "owed" to her. I suppose there'd be some poetry in that. I don't want to make it sound like Kimmy can't have a career as a corporate titan, I just wonder if the moral of the story could be she falls prey to the corruption of power without Josh there to ground her.