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Urgent Response Needed! (Patreon)

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2024-02-27 20:17:06
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Urgent Response Needed!

  • Yeah, I could go another book or two! 54
  • Wrap it up, KT—let's get to the other stories already! 16
  • 2024-02-27
  • 70 votes
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Content

Help!

I'm sensing a certain reader's enjoyment with this Devil In The Waters saga, and I'm faced with a dilemma.

You see, the truth is, in my head I think Josh and Kimmy are only about halfway through their odyssey, but for the sake of other unfinished story lines, I'm pushing myself to wrap this whole shebang up in about ten more chapters. I'm fine with that. But there is so much more.

So, what I'm looking for is honest perceptions on where the story is at, and if you'd prefer to keep this Josh and Kimmy ride going a little more, and let some of the bigger DITW story lines close on their own time progression—or would you rather we move on to new projects and finishing the unfinished ones.

I need to make a decision soon. The next few chapters will decide how close we're coming to a finale, and if a substantial number would like to see this story pushed out into greater exploration, I need to keep some cards in my hand for the moment.

Please let me know what you think! (And I'd love it if you let me know your thoughts in the comment section).

Comments

Ryan

I responded keep it going however. I really want to know when we will get an update on some other stories. Keely Taylor and Ezra story lines. Those have been my favorites outside of Maggie and Kimmy. Thanks K.T. !!

Glaucon

I would love it if you were able to pursue this story (and any story) to a fullness that satisfies you as an author. And for what it's worth, I think this particular story is such a unique gem in the genre and I'm curious to see where you want to take it.

Donkatsu

Josh and Kimmy and Devlin - as healthy as a case of crabs, but a lot more fun.

Chris K

Take your time and finish this strong!!

JL23

Personally I'm ready to wrap it up, I'd like to move back to other stories/updates, like Keely and Charlie, etc. I personally see the Josh/Kimmy/Devlin triangle at a closing point, but again just my opinion (and I can see I'm probably going to lose lol).

Kat

KT you’re answering my prayers! I’ve been on the edge of my seat waiting for the next chapter of DITW, but also feeling sad that’s it’s nearing its end. I’ve grown very attached to Kimmy and Josh! I don’t know about others here, but I’m totally fine with you continuing DITW as long as is needed to complete it fully. You’ve put so much work into this masterpiece, and it would be terrible to rush it to completion, and leave out parts that would be so good to read. If you need to take a break to complete another story, or write something else, that’s okay with me, too. There’s so much more that you can do with DITW. 10 more chapters is not enough. You are such an amazing writer. I wouldn’t want you rushing anything for the sake of our patience. Your thoughtfulness to details and the intense emotions in your stories is what makes you the best! I vote for you to take your time. :)

Jake Hawes

I never want it to end.

HTO

Please finish the story properly. We are much to far in to cut it short. Take the necessary time.

Bill F Protagoras

This is only my impression but I think that at the present necessary rate of the narrative... ending the work in ten chapters could be precipitate. I sense there is a lot of enthusiasm for the characters more than I would have expected. But obviously a head count and opinions would help you come to a reasonable decision that everybody will have been able to contribute to.

L_S87

To be honest, when you said 10 more chapters KT, my first thought was "How the fuck is that going to work? There's way too much unresolved shit here for that to be right." The obvious answer was that we would get closure on what Josh decides to do about Kimmy's awful indiscretions and if their relationship survives, but all the other storylines would mostly remain a mystery for us to ponder. Which I would prefer not to happen. One of the things I disliked about Maggie was the fact that it ended similarly and we've been left wondering for years as Keely hasnt been finished. I would greatly prefer that we had another book or two so we know what happens with Hyun, Devlin and Amy. The PI, Devlin's father, the baby. It all needs an explanation to make the ending a true ending that doesn't leave us feeling "meh" about how this shakes out. Because that's what 10 chapters would do. That's assuming they stay together. If Josh walks away immediately... Well, 10 chapters would probably cover it. But if he sticks it out until after he finds out about Hyun or the baby, then leaves... We would need more explanation. So a lot of this depends on you KT. Do YOU envision your greatest creations somehow fighting through this and finding some light in the depths of this darkness they created or do you think Davey Jones has them in his grasp and these discussions are a mere formality for the demise of their relationship? I think the former definitely warrants more books, but if it's the latter, it probably isn't necessary unless you've got some spectacularly explosive ending to the whole shebang in mind. Regardless, write your story, I'll support you 100% either way.

Abhinav Rai

As much as I love your stories, I am here for Keely. And can’t wait for that to start.

L_S87
>>130849580

Not changing my mind here, but reading some of the other comments, i do feel it's important to note that i want this to end "properly" which in my opinion means a lot more chapters than 10. That said, I feel I would be remiss if I didn't support what others are saying that if we spend more time on this, I don't want it to mean we start another new series or two, or new characters with new books. It's not my place to tell you what to do, KT, but I really, REALLY want to see the other existing series wrapped up. Keely, Landlord, Separate Schools, Six Weeks... They all need some love and attention because they are awesome in their own right and deserve to be finished before new work begins. Just my feelings. It's very common for an author to juggle 5 or 6 series at once, but those have so much dust on them, they're not being juggled anymore. Far from an ultimatum like I'm going to take my marbles and go home, but I would like to see focus on existing stuff rather than new after we finish DITW.

Paul Hunsicker

Can I get both? I can’t wait for the other stories to finish

Paul Hunsicker

But I also think ditw has a lot more too say, what a dilema

Simoee

Doesn't Josh have to go out of town soon? It would be hot to have Kimmy fucking and sucking devlin on a video call or something like that. Or having Josh and Kimmy talking on the phone while Kimmy is fucking and or sucking Devlin unbeknownst to Josh.

Karl

I will never have enough of Kimmy and Josh, but on a serious note, there is much to explore and I would love to see how deep the two of them can delve into their twisted relationship and how they'll come out of the depths if they ever resurface.

Andrew Mellein

How many books are we looking at? It’s just that there’s is so many great unfinished projects left! I want to see Charlie and Janey back! It’s up to you KT after all your the one writing these sagas!

Andrew Mellein

Why not finish the series in ten chapters and then do a spin-off series like Keely?

CSH

KT , gotta say I am surprised but actually i was feeling the same way as many here. We are at the real key moment in the development of the story. I was getting the sense that we were about to do a Game of Thrones (HBO Version) with a quick unsatisfying ending in store. To hear that you are perhaps sensing the same and would like to really deliver the wrap up as it is needed is great news. I’ve always been a fan of Evil Kimmy. Both jokingly and a bit seriously as well. I urge you to take the story where it needs to go while retaining the erotic nature of the story. I still remember those polls you did fairly early on and honestly was starting to feel a bit cheated as we never really got to much of that did we? Despite, what I or anybody else wants, it is your creation and yours to decide. In the end, you should do what you sense is the right thing for you and your art. If every single person on here wants you to continue but you are convinced it should end, then end it. But if the question is , as your reader, do I have an appetite for more of this story then my answer is, hell yeah!

Danny Engel

I felt like the story took a bit too much time (for my liking) to get to the big reveal. But then suddenly it takes on speed to get to the finish line, and it feels a bit rushed. Now that the most important part is in the open, I would like to see it explored a bit more. Preferably at a steady pace ... but if it takes another 10 books than it takes another 10 books. (Besides that, I would like to see Landlord, Separate Schools and Keely get finished, too. But I can wait.)

CSH

Yes I agree with this. Getting to that first scene with Devlin took too long.

Andrew Mellein

I just want know if there is a new chapter coming?

Bill F Protagoras

I hope it goes without saying that whatever is best for you has my total backing, as you are the one doing the heavy lifting. Each chapter seems to up the ante, and the readers' enthusiasm grows greater with each instalment. It was a pleasure to see how much everyone is invested in your work. I hope the minority can have their wishes integrated into a schedule convenient and agreeable for you... giving you the change that reputedly is as good as a rest. We are getting what we wished for... I feel extremely grateful. There are so many people here contributing insightful and stimulating ideas. Being near the workface is a priceless experience. Chance is as fine a thing as it is claimed to be! Kat and Karl certainly struck the flint! PS with that one conflicted Monday non business meeting you must have established some kind of record for delayed gratification especially as the clock is still running for Josh...

JL23

Last thing I’ll say as the voice of dissent here. But to explain my reasoning: 1) We know what Devlin wants, we know what Kimmy wants. To me the remaining question is does Josh submit now? He’s ultimately making a decision here on whether he submits to his “darker” desires and acceding a level of control to either Kimmy/Devlin/combination of both. If he does here, then to me the remaining questions/secrets Kimmy is keeping become moot. If he’s in here, none of those things will change his mind. Her messing around with Hyun or her getting pregnant by Devlin will be a turn on, and since his darker impulses are driving the bus, they don’t matter. So then the story becomes Kimmy or Kimmy/Devlin (or Kimmy/someone else?) feeding that darkness and need for humiliation. Not saying there isn’t a story there, but it’s not one I’d be as interested in. 2) Another couple of books will also add more questions, more conflicts to answer, and there’s a danger of getting “lost in the narrative” like a TV show (hello Lost, pun intended). We love the characters and don’t want to lose them, but to me additional books just make it difficult to “land the plane” (another Lost reference…I must have Lost PTSD) in a satisfying way. But again, just one readers opinion, and clearly a minority one here. It’s not my story, so it’s not up to me (nor should it be). I’ll be here reading along, though probably not as engaged as I’ve been recently

Steve McCarty

I love the story and would welcome a "Dickens" like completeness or full 16 episode Korean wrap up. I worry that you seem to impose an unrealistic workload upon yourself especially when the emotional cost of, taking your characters through the fires of hell, is particularly high.

Tim ziegler

I’ve been invested for 4 years, don’t get in a hurry now!

Andrew Mellein

I agree there is not much more to take the Devlin, Josh and Kimmy characters except by revealing their secrets and a satisfying resolution. I could see Josh living apart (divorced) from Kimmy a la Cherry Blossoms. Maybe Josh is in a new relationship with someone else but Kimmy comes after him a la Devlin in the early books! Josh cheats with Kimmy and things come full circle! That’s the only thing I could think of to wrap things up. Josh realizes he loves Kimmy and her badness. They get remarried Josh raises Devlins kid and Kimmy is pregnant with Josh’s kid. Josh and Kimmy participate in hot wife escapades. The End! Oh Devlins dad kicks him out of his business for doing something shady and he has to go to jail!

Bill F Protagoras

There is no losing only delayed gratification...

Rocambole50

You have a collection of characters (where is Ami?) that you have build with a lot of effort and to stop now with them would be a waste of resources. But I see a tension in your writing between costumbrism-realism and the description of paroxysmal sexual drives, and there is the risk of the story falling in costumbrism with Devlin getting milder (in the last scene he was apologizing), Kimmy more and more in control and loving so much Josh that she does not want him to be harmed, when Josh harm is the McGuffin of the story. I have not hidden what kind of development I would like and to see it in this complex and realistic tapestry of characters would be incredibly interesting. But evil and sex derangement are needed because costumbrism alone does not push the story.

Bill F Protagoras

Sorry Jake, this is not The Song of Ice and Fire GRR Patreon!

JL23

If I think back to when this story was described (as I recall it was one we voted for among a couple different choices), it was something like this: "Guy is secretly turned on by the fantasy of his wife sleeping with his bully, without realizing that in reality his wife is having an affair with his bully. What happens as he begins to realize it's real?" For me, I feel like we're getting that answer now, so I personally don't need to see it play out further. But I'll still be here reading. I guess I just got into the story more recently anticipating an ending.

Mike Monroe

Keep it going!!! It is my favorite love to hate!!! If there is more to tell please do !!!

Andrew Mellein

I agree! I think it can easily be wrapped up in ten chapters. We already know that Josh is not down with Kimmy cheating on him in the last few chapters we had. A couple of loose ends can easily be remedied in a time jump. How many more times can Kimmy lie to Josh before it gets be too repetitive. Also, most of the eroticism at this point is extinguished because Kimmy swore off Devlin. And Josh wants nothing to do with Kimmy! I still will read it but I don't know what's to be gained by two more books.

JamesIsAsleep

The short of all of this is, I want you to do what you're inspired to do. Meeting your fan's demands as priority one is one thing, writing KT quality stories is another. Not necessarily mutually exclusive, but not necessarily the same thing. Sure, I am in the minority who hopes one day you'll return to (INSERT TITLE HERE), but I'm sure I'm not the only one who is a supporter for you for the long haul. Hope it all comes together for you!

Synk

Love DITW. It's been solidified as my favourite series of yours for a long time and I am firmly in the "more books" camp. If the story ends in ten chapters that *probably* means it's all crashing down on Kimmy soon and I'm not ready for that... particularly when she is finally regaining her aura (eyes like obsidian jewels!). I'm also curious to potentially see if Strong, Dominant Kimmy can exist sans Devlin - if he is on the shit list - and what Josh makes of that.

Bill F Protagoras

Don't you think costombrismo is a bit over the top. What Devlin did was lie or be a hypocrite which is certainly a custom all societies and also all ages have always followed to the path of least resistance. He seems to me not so much a sexual deviant so much as a fairly pedestrian lothario or rake. Without his big dick and a tawdry line in insinuation flavoured with vulgarity he would be a moneyed social climber a shirt and braces of the capitalist layabout set. It is Kimmy who draws every erotic drop of spunk out of that walking cliché. You saw what he became without Kimmy's special purse to fill, without her fornix uteri . He was as farcical with his ruined fountain as all the less well endowed men he presumes to lord it over. Remember when he 'seduced' Kimmy, she was naive and fairly inexperienced, and his moves were those of the explorative adolescent... all that euphemistic baseball rubbish, it took him an age to actually fuck her, but from a grown man... well a Stone man!

Tracey52

It’s a difficult choice. I want answers now but also want the story fully fleshed out. In the end you know best kt. If you’re checking to see if we are interested in continuing to read this story if it goes for longer then you clearly have an answer.

Zach

10 more years Josh and Kimmy!

Bill F Protagoras

"what Josh makes of that." Well phrased, see my reply above. Devlin got Kimmy off just by putting it in and taking it out, but she made him feel special and privileged to believe he possessed her priceless cunny... the dope. That it was made for him! Are we supposed to believe this oaf is worldly. Oh gosh! he doesn't wear underpants! That must really impress the clients!

ktmorrison

Yes! That's why I offered the poll: I wasn't sure how the scene would go, depending on a few factors. If I have room to explore, I will make a change.

Andrew Mellein

I can’t take Devlin seriously after he whacked off all over himself and Josh threw a chair at him. Kimmy shouldn’t either .

Andrew Mellein

It’s now 2,3467 days since Dance of Dragons 🤣🤣🤣

Bill F Protagoras

I apologize Rocambole, I now realize that from what I have described Devlin is rather like a character from a postmodern comedy of manners.... and in those comedies it is usually the artless female who gains the upper hand like in She Stoops to Conquer... but not to worry there will always be room for deviant or crazy, deranged sex and the Kimmy we now have on our hands is leagues away from being a guileless plaything and more the sophisticated erotic explorer of your dreams. One of the few things the wide horizon of postmodernist literature offers in general is the retooling of past styles and god forbid genres. And this is a field in which KT Morrison has already proven to be a master... so buck up, the dice are thrown, the best is yet to be... It is the best of times and, for them as likes it, it can be the baddest of times... for we few, we happy few... but now is not the moment to mention breeches! Or fashion in particular!

Karl

Exactly, I feel Devlins spell has worn off. I can’t see any attraction there anymore. I guess Devlins role depends on how much Josh still lets him get in his head and maybe Kimmy wanting revenge on him. Devlin staying relevant because of his biggus dickus would make every character one dimensional for my taste. This is replying more to Synks idea of Kimmy needing Devlin to stay strong and dominant. What interests me is, is Kimmy ,like Devlin stated in his bogus philosophies, that weakness attracts power. So to keep herself as the dominant-power-Kimmy she would need the weaker submissive Josh she can manipulate. I feel Devlins role in making Kimmy strong and dominant was just to give her the environment and possibilty to find that side in her. I don’t feel that Devlins the one who is relevant to strong Kimmy existing.

Bill F Protagoras

Yes, Andrew, but remember sometimes you need the right tool for the job... Devlin is living proof that lack of finesse works too! Technically he didn't whack off, he claims that Josh and Kimmy broke his orgasm!

Bill F Protagoras

If it's any consolation to the minority vote, Proudhon said “Democracy is nothing but the Tyranny of Majorities, the most abominable tyranny of all... It merely rests upon numbers and hides behind the name of the people.” Bloody anarchist, d'ya know he thought rich people were rich from stealing from the poor! Also the voting franchise at that time in that place was probably restrictive, Danton would've disapproved. Women didn't get the right to vote in France till 1944!

Bill F Protagoras

I agree... and I loved the biggus dickus! I'm always a sucker for Python... ooops... what a giveaway!

Bill F Protagoras

I love (INSERT TITLE HERE) too! Everything comes to they who wait.

Bill F Protagoras

I think discovering how much more intelligent than her boss she was helped put iron in her soul, or her britches though that is probably owing to working out too.

L_S87
>>130860437

Exactly! Both Josh and Kimmy are too entrenched in their respective views to suddenly capitulate and let the other have their way with zero push back. Whether it's Josh and his lack of trust and anger or Kimmy and her need to control and keep Josh, neither would simply give in easily. We have what amounts to 3 books of each of them working really hard to find their place. It would seem wrong for them to suddenly give in. Josh is not going to suddenly release all his anger or trust Kimmy and let her have her way. If he decides to stay with her, that's going to take time and he will force a middle ground of some sort. Likewise, Kimmy won't just let Josh walk away. She'd fight any sort of divorce, she'd search him out if he tried to hide and if Josh tried to find a new girl... Oh boy, fireworks would be the least of it. She owns his ass (in her mind). And that doesn't even touch the baby or Hyun or working for Devlin or conversations with Amy. So, yes. Explore away! Whether Kimmy finds El Dorado or the relationship ends in a shallow grave, it shouldn't be easy. We have 12 books to prove that.

L_S87
>>130870993

I feel like more would give us an opportunity to see what payback looks like. Kimmy still likes sleeping with Devlin, but I think she's furious with him and Amy for ruining this "perfect" thing she had going. Josh hit the nail on the head with that, regardless of what Kimmy says. So it will be interesting to see if she does anything to set them up, or if she tries to find common ground with Josh by working with him to get back at both of them. Solidarity through a scheme of destruction would go a long way towards proving that she's not lying when she says she prefers a strong Josh and wants him to get over this bullying thing.

L_S87
>>130895470

All government is tyranny of some sort. Those with power always seek to expand it and exercise it so they don't lose it. Exhibit A: Kimmy Chang and her dictatorial coup of the Waters marriage.

Andrew Mellein

Kimmy should turn into Devlin and try to seduce Josh away from whatever new romance he finds himself in after Josh leaves her because he finds she’s pregnant and had a fling with Hyun.

Bill F Protagoras

I think the solidarity thing is off the cards if there's no movement on the Ajax front, and if there is no understanding between them, she might keep Devlin up her sleeve to keep Josh on edge. Maybe it's time for some diddling because many of the Patreon natives are restive for the lowdown dirty. I think Devlin isn't out of the game yet even if he should become a Queen's porn. Also it might add a fillip to her arousal to use him as he used her, but with some kink of her own. Like make him play the part of clueless Josh and eat his own load. A little fantasy I just span to take my mind off the two strap-ons Hyun chose that now Kimmy (on the new schedule) might use in an effort to introduce a newer more reciprocal form of triple humiliation, so she can wean Josh back onto the hard stuff. Of course, that would take some setting up. Also instead of trying to dispose of the Devlin dildo they could send it to Devlin as a suggestion he should go fuck himself. It seems I may be one of those restive natives. Sorry for wandering away from your more sober reflections...

NJ10

Agreed. I’ve always wanted the Ben/Libby/Finn/Chelsea series to be completed.

Bill F Protagoras

We agree on more fronts than I imagined... I mentioned this to Pete on the subject of bullying... it's hard to eradicate with the bad examples set by the governments of the world. I attached Proudhon's swingeing indictment of government.

ktmorrison

Thank you so much, everyone. I'm so glad to have your input. I was about to close the door on a DITW opportunity, and writing in serial like this means once that door is closed, I'm moving on down the hall and I can't come back. I had to make sure I could walk away from the opportunity before I finished the scene. But if I pursue this novel story angle, I'm going to go to another book (at least). I'm happy with this result. Next chapter has a different ending now, but it will be posted later today. There are some elements to this story I always wanted to pursue but was ready to abandon them for the sake of finishing (for the sake of finishing). I'm going to pursue them now. I think you will be pleased by the angles.

Andrew Mellein

So I wonder if the next book is going to be an extended epilogue! Whatever the case this is KT magnus opus at the moment and I can’t wait to see what happens next.

Karl

Devlin fucking himself with a Devlin-dildo sobered me up real good

L_S87
>>130910718

Aye! Thank you, KT! Certain revelations that may occur in that shower would require an immediate response that would rapidly set everything in concrete and force the story down a certain path at a rapid pace. Thus a quick wrap up for finishings sake as you noted. I kind of feel like taking more time makes sense for these characters because they don't tend to make precipitous decisions quickly or on a whim. Both Kimmy and Josh often have to be cajoled or forced into major decisions by factors outside of their control. So Kimmy talking about the baby or Hyun or Josh agreeing to her and Devlin's antics turning him on and him allowing them to happen would only likely happen with some significant arm twisting. That's not to say Kimmy couldn't turn over a new leaf and be as truthful as she committed to being a chapter ago, but the lies and omissions from this chapter alone show she's only willing to go so far with that "commitment". Josh has similar issues. Thus I like this being drug out. Plus, if they are to truly remain together, the road back is going to be just as difficult as the road that lead them here. I'd like to explore that path, and 10 chapters, for me, isn't enough. Thank you for allowing us to partake in the decision making process, KT!

Kat

Thank you, KT! I can’t wait to see what you come up with.

Bill F Protagoras

I can't express how happy the sudden new width of perspective you have given us has made me, and I hope you are as happy as we are about it... It is after all your creation...

Andrew Mellein

What were the other choices in that poll? Do you remember? I like how KT gave choices for future books and we got to vote on them!

JL23

Unfortunately I don't, and my limited knowledge of technology means I don't know if you can search here for that post. Think it was back in 2019, but as I recall KT may have been using a different platform at that point. Maybe someone else remembers?

Bill F Protagoras

"Likewise, Kimmy won't just let Josh walk away. She'd fight any sort of divorce, she'd search him out if he tried to hide and if Josh tried to find a new girl... Oh boy, fireworks would be the least of it. She owns his ass (in her mind)." I love this little narrative that appears to encapsulate how you believe Kimmy is and how she frames her relationship with Josh... It is your contribution to realizing Kimmy. Pardon me I have a habit of trying and failing to express things well. The loving the story holds true nonetheless. As does this... "or the relationship ends in a shallow grave, it shouldn't be easy." I really feel that when the moment is ripe KT would end a story like that... Fingers crossed not this time!

Bill F Protagoras

It would have been nice, in its original precise sense, if DITW had ended in its 13th book but some things are more important than coincidence, or even foresight! So... what the hell! what the hell! toujours gai!

Jim

I am here primarily for DITW, so please don't stop!

Andrew Mellein

As much as Josh wants to walk away from Kimmy there is no way she letting him go without a fight! I like someone’s idea on this forum of this coming full circle with Kimmy in the Devlin role trying to seduce him away from his new significant other.

Andrew Mellein

I wonder how many chapters or books of Summer Swing are left? I am just wondering because KT is working on both projects at the same time.

RCH

I voted to continue, BUT... I wondering if perhaps there shouldn't be a pause after little Josh Jr or Devlin Jr. arrives. Maybe a Phase Two.

RCH

Bill how about chapter 666?

RCH

As I've voiced my concerns before about Jonny from the Landlord series he has been locked in that cock caged for years at this point. His poor little thing is going to have permanent damage! It's going to be crooked and shrunken. Charlie will be disappointed.

RCH

That is why written constitutions are so important and the strict adherence to them is important. Make changes via legislation as willed by the citizens. Women got the right to vote in 1920(USA) via constitutional amendment it's the law and very hard to change it. Unlike court rulings that can be overturned. Sorry got on my soap box.

Andrew Mellein

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! And he still trying to create that videogame all while Reza is laying it to Charlie. Hashtag Justice for Jonny!

Bill F Protagoras

Doesn't alter the fact that all governments use coercion and all the other methods listed by Proudhon to enforce their dictates be they beneficial or harmful. You are extremely naive if you think that any government ever cedes anything to the people until they are afraid of losing power because of popular pressure. Whereas large monopolies have grown up despite being against the law. The US Constitution was written by the monied gentry, and constructed to maintain the status quo. A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn might acquaint you with an alternative view as to how historical changes are granted by reluctant entrenched governments. And if you are interested in Democracies without a written constitution that have done the same... you wouldn't go far wrong by starting with EP Thompson's The Making of the English Working Class. A country that considers itself the leader of the free world clearly has it's wires crossed about how democracy works... we didn't vote for you so don't 'lead' us. Put your own house in order, and that is not meant as an invitation to further oppression. My soap box is bigger than yours Nah nah Nahn Nah Nah! That's enough serious political discussion for today! PS. If you seemed British I would savage Britain... however genuinely ignorant and stupid people in power are doing a great job of that... but people still vote for them!

Bill F Protagoras

Has anyone counted the chapters? Or it could just be the title of the final chapter depending on how the whole baby thing turns out. Good thinking!

Bill F Protagoras

What is happening to Jonny is justice... but because of Reza's unofficial status it seems like omerta, and if kept up will become cruel and unusual punishment.

RCH

If it turns out to be Devlin's then Damian would be a good name.

RCH

Ordered the kindle version of Howard's book. Thanks!

Bill F Protagoras

I'm glad you took my comment in the manner it was intended, as is to be expected it's a long but enlightening (I hope for you too) read!

CSH

Well Mao said all political power grows from the barrel of a gun. And Devlin has a very big gun. But kimmy gets to wield it. So kimmy has the right to rule the marriage. So there! Kimmy haters all of you. You’ll get yours mark my words!

Bill F Protagoras

Amusing interpretation... I hope you don't count me amongst 'all' though my understanding of the language leads me to believe you do... I will always love Kimmy even if she is the reason I end up crying at the end of the book, or especially when I end up crying at the end of another magnificent KT Morrison book. Love transcends the warts and all of the whole person... and I am here to put it lightly get my freak on and I find that well written books get me all tingly and sticky. If I want a quick one off the wrist I have my own imagination, but I know Kimmy is very special even if I will be sharing her with all sorts eventually... and though I don't wish to cheapen her she will always be available... BTW I don't mind her ruling the marriage as long as she deserves to... at present her qualifications are wanting... and the interview promises to be gruelling.

Randy

I’m torn. I so want to see other projects finished. Some that have been waiting far too long. AND I see no way to close out this story the way it currently stands without completely ruining the flow.

CSH

Too late. It fell off.