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Free Form Discussion For ISM Book 3: (Patreon)

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2023-04-26 21:44:33
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 So I have a couple of rough ideas for the A and B plot of book 3, and I'm going to spend the next few days roughing out what I want to happen. Let's talk about them, and start the process of refining.

I'm going to forget a bunch of plot threads, please remind me of any major plots I forgot along the way, or just shout out suggestions for what you'd like to see. I'll lurk in the comments threads for a couple days while I formulate a game plan.What to do about Washington and the remaining humanoid Replicants? B plot

Recolonizing Manita? A plot... Too early?Solaris starts to go a little crazy. B plotWhose eggs are these? B plotAlso, I'm going to be editing the last chapter over the next couple days to address some of the comments, with some changes to the middle and the end, so keep your eyes open for when it gets updated.

Come tell me what you wanna see from book 3!

Comments

Van234

B looks more logical. Manita would be interesting right now if monsters started invading from there

Derek Engols

Personal funding, the jobs of the everyday citizens. I imagine that after another siege, a food shortage, cosmic gameshow, and generally constant concern, they're worn out.

vetro 26

I like the idea of colonizing Manita again I think it be fun for perry to explore his home. Also I feel like Solaris going insane would kind of destroy the work you've done in making him a level headed leader. It might be cool if he retires though.

Alex Almond

How long before he could start setting up another city? He might not be strong enough to be its solaris but he could mass produce some pretty strong defenses with a little work. Could be a quest or something but also might be a bit early. Maybe an outpost or something as a precursor/test before the full scale Manita

A

Not sure this is a full plot thread in its own but I feel like the story’s been light on the inventing and iterative improvements side of things. He’s improved his power suits a few times and created a few rituals and spells and done some one off inventing like the potato farm and recycling plant, but for a magitech Tinker I’d love to see him leverage his abilities as a Tinker to iterate on new and highly specialized technology and magic.

Hunter Joseph

So I really don't like the idea of Solaris going crazy. I can totally see, after the recent events, him just being too old and tired to continue doing what he does and trusting his sweepers to do their job after finding a successor. After all every sun no matter how bright eventually runs out of fuel. That could even be a good excuse for the retirement. When a sun runs out of hydrogen to burn it starts burning its helium which expands the sun, then when that's burnt it just collapses and dissipates. Have solarises power start to become unreliable like an old man's faculties going in old age or a sun that's burning out Alternatively he could go supernova, which would drive the plot to return to manitia, only this time it's a flipped exodus with the remaining humans needing to reconquer and move to manitia before Solaris finally goes pop. Idk just shower thoughts

Macronomicon

I didn't think of that. would definitely up the 'i'll get to it eventually' time frame.

Macronomicon

could combine nicely with the 'what to do with civilian replicants' plot thread

Kurt A

I think dealing with the other human replicants should 100% be the secondary plot, or even the main plot initially. Seems like a good transitional plot. Manita seems like a plot that must begin after perry hits level 15 since he needs to be as powerful as his parents to even visit manita.

Ford-Thomas Frank Loveland

Instead of a full colonization effort maybe just a small outing to scout manita. Same kind of size and effort as the Washington trip. I do like the idea of exploring Washington to see how replicas "death" affected it

Gaunt

B plot; all of the numbers from Neuron need a home and theyve got the frat house uncle warp to deal with. I also think its a bit to early for Solaris to be going nuts yet. Maybe granny gets put in time out after an assassination attempt and has to live out on the farm?

DrBubblez

I think the manita storyline is the most interesting, but not for him to actually accomplish reconquering an entire planet that made the zauberers run for the Hills. Establishing a tiny settlement could be really cool. I don't love the whole Solaris going crazy(at least not yet), and while I wanna see more professor replica, we just saw that as a climax to the previous arc, and it would be best if left on the back burner for now. I'm curious to know if prof replica can control Perrys dad.

Kurt A

I’d like to see more of Perry making overpowered “normal” objects like the obsidian swords he made way back. Like couldn’t Perry mass produce assault rifles and body armor literally cheaper than dirt? I imagine allowing the average unpowered soldier to kill a prawn would grant a lot of exp and improve his odds of starting a new city safely.

Alex Almond

may also help with the food issues if it was built that way, be another washington since it sounded like food was always a big problem. a city or outpost dedicated to food production that traded for supers for defence just like washington does/did, if its techy inventions or buildings thats doing the farming unlike washington that could work alongside the exiled replicants theme. idk i like it

Benji

I think colonizing or even visiting manita is too soon, I think he needs more time and prep, and maybe some more specializations first. Same with Solaris. Washington now is on point though, and eggs are good too.

Bart7711

I really love the story so far. Don't know if other readers would agree but one thing I would like to see more of are some more grounded perpectives. What people without powers think about all the bs that is happening. The contrast between what is true and what the public has been told. Some common people reacting to all the instanity. I found Natalie’s parrents interactions with Perry quite funny for example. Other than that, Perry's parrents are always fun. More family shenanigans would be nice to see imo.

Panzer

Hear me out now, Election campaign. Solaris decides to check out. He wants to go see whats happening to the rest of earth and all those cities that they lost contact with. But he cant just leave and the common man is on the verge of riot over the extended chaos, food shortages, and overall failures of the current rulers. So they hold an election/contest for the new leadership of Franklin City. Who can provide for the people? Should they have another dictator? A council? Maybe people will chose to leave and explore options in chicago if its still running?

Apotheosis

The other human replicants is definitely something that's gotta be looked at right away, or at least mentioned right off the bat, I really wanna know what's happening in the cities the replicators took over and replicated. Besides that some smaller scale stuff before manita to prep for it would be good, like practicing making larger scale infrastructure making a city or what have you. It feels a bit to soon for Solaris to start loosing it especially since he's so far above mostly everyone else. Maybe a plot about him wanting to take over nearby cities since they don't have to deal with the replicators anymore? An egg plot also sounds cool, maybe some more about the why of the tide if it even has such simple things as reasons for doing stuff.

a passing Fnord

Humanoid replicants and what the hell is happening in the rest of the world could be an A plot or a B plot that is the primary focus for the first part of the story recolonizing Manitia could be a B plot/hidden A plot that gradually develops as other things get resolved and elevates to A plot later on. Solaris going crazy just seems dumb, he's been around for a while, there doesn't seem to be any tendency there, he's been stable for a while and shows a lot of consideration to his own situation and stability. If it were to happen it would need to be much further down the line and under extraordinary circumstances even for the setting. (I am using A plot as primary and B plot as background/secondary designation here)

Thomas Issa

Every option are things that are going to happen, not sequentially but all at once except for colonisation, there is also the aspect of Heather + Perry, which should be interesting to explore

Thomas Issa

Also food issues because of problems in Washington

Glegori

I like this idea a lot, especially if it's a temporary retirement until prof replica resurfacing. The idea of "now that the replicators are dealt with I can retire".

DeeSharkman

I think the Manita plot would be most interesting. Not in full though, just beginning to scope out what kind of massive undertaking it would be and exploring how all the already super powerful beings/monsters got boosted by the Tide. I definitely don't like the idea of Solaris going crazy, I think it would be against his character/the point of his character. He's super (no pun intended) dependant. IMO conflict with Solaris should come in the form of him wanting Perry to focus on Earth while Perry is trying to retake Manita (bonus, this also gives lots of opportunity for Perry's family to be part of the story and they're some of the most fun characters)

2,4,6-Trinitrotoluene

Now, I am an idiot but I like the idea of Professor Replica being stuck in Billy's body without his actual powers so he struggles to figure out how he might gain control of his replicants. Design flaw in his Lazarus process or some shit. But make it even better such that the replicants recognize him innately even though they don't have to listen to him anymore. Remind me of the eggs thing? Planning to recolonize Manita is interesting but the Paradox World needs some major threat to keep it going.

Treeman4

It would make for a good A and B plot for book 4 after Solaris rests on his laurels and retires for book 3, A. Professor Replica coming back and being a threat, which feeds into the B. Solaris starts to lose it because with him coming back it feels like the battle will never be won. Loses hope and immeditely into despair

Crownfall

You can attack Manita in pieces. Colonozing manita can be a multi book goal with the initial goal being opening a portal and contacting the factions that rule manita in the wake of Z's flight. triggered monsters and triggered sorcerers who were of no note before gaining powers. establishing a portal, forward operating base, and then forward colony could all be individual books. The role of astrologists has faded out with discovering the tide. Also does the high tide occur at all dimensions/planets at the same time? is it low tide in manita as well?

vetro 26

Good point I'd be happy with that. I just don't want to see Solaris go psycho if he gets major depression I'm good with that.

Chunq

Home Improvement Arc. To The Far Shore of Portland, Oregon.

Nathan Quitugua

So far there are two eggs that have... well i guess 3 eggs so far that have popped up in the story. 1 is being taken care of by Brendan and is connected with the tide. The 2nd one is the one that was producing the time dilation affect and the 3rd is the one that paradox uses on occaision... some egg of insight or something.

A disgruntled nondescript squirrel

Cooking battle arc to decide the fate of Perry's pet squid who has triggered as a Squid sage secretly during the wave but it never came up cause he is happy with his life style

Josh Cothran

I have no idea how I forgot to ask, but how much experience did Perry get in the last chapter, he should have leveled a couple times from all those shenanigans right?

David Burchfield

I like what is happening in the rest of the world, and Humanoid Replicants as the main plot lines (along with "was Professor Replica maybe right about some things" if the Humanoid Replicants are immune to the effects of the Tide. Also if Perry Really Killed Professor Replica he should have gotten a ton of experience, if he didn't then he should have a vital clue that something is still very wrong. If I had my way he would at least have manage to take a metaphysical bite out of him so that even if the Professor lives he is diminished or weakened in some way. I think Perry Trying to Figure out how to advance in a stable manner without going insane makes an important thread as well. I think dealing with Manita and the consequences of removing replicators from the ecosystem. Make nice minor threads (perhaps scouting and laying a logistics foundation for Manita, maybe some Prawn Evolutions into more dangerous or organized forms, or other threats that the Replicators were nipping in the bud begin to establish themselves.) Just enough to provide some hints of excitement and hint at future challenges and threats. I also like the idea of Solaris having to travel around and take care of things on other parts of the world (I don't really like the idea of him starting to lose it, at least not yet but probably not in general). This would allow some sort of council of Anchors or Succession situation which could lead to more Chemestro (one of my favorite characters in the series) interactions which are always good fun. I think dealing with Neurons Children and Chemestro's development as a person deserve proper treatment and time. Basically any excuse to get Chemestro and Perry on screen together as much as possible.

Mayukh Joshi

I think adding something about what happened to Chemestro's siblings and how they are being rehabilitated/used for the good of the city would be a good side story, if there is a time skip.

Alexis Najarro

Dealing with Washington should be the next thing as it's already been established that there are androids there. Adding a B plot revolving the tinkers building devices to out androids with the major Aplot being Perry gearing up for establishing a beach head in manita for that xp with the major conflicts being manita monsters coming over here to add another threat after the replicators breached over there to further the original mission Perry defeating Replica adds the perfect excuse for the replicators failing to establish proper containment protocols in place for their invasion into manita for resources, therefore adding the perfect reason for the things to cross over

Enkelados

I would like the city to try to reestablish a connection to the supposedly still existing other cities. Also more development in the Heather Perry relationship. Also: first book was a man vs man story with his rivalry with chemestro, second book was man vs nature. I don't think man vs himself works well in this story, so I think a return to man vs man would ve fun. Perry is now at an point where chwmestro can't just kill him with a thought, so there is potential whith the rivalry getting serious. Perry needs a huge amount resources of he wants to colonize manitia again (mostly in manpower) so that could be a spark.

Enkelados

I think most of all he needs more people for that. ATM it's the trio + maybe five guys. That's nice for scouting or taking on a specific threat but completely useless in a colonization effort.

Enkelados

Of Solaris leaves grandma takes over. There is zero chance of democracy working.

Cyrus McEnnis

It'd be nice if Professor Billy is actually right about saving humanity, but wrong on the action required to do so. One could make the argument that the issue isn't the Tide itself, but the super-powers that come from it. Maybe it's broken in some way, and rather than "fixing" humanity to make them able to "live" under it, Brandon is the missing key to make the tide more... whatever is needed. That doesn't need to really be addressed in the next book, but yeah. Solaris starting to show cracks - either from a "Black Noir" type situation or from more direct forms of control from Scrape / Billy / Paradox - would certainly be welcome. "Dealing" with Chicago might be viable, but given the opportunity to recover some of what humanities lost I could see a bunch of smaller inland towns being established with their own cadres of super heroes to support them - having two towns near each other being supported by Chemestro and Paradox's teams would be interesting, especially given that while Chemestro has the edge in raw power, Perry could get a towns infrastructure up and running virtually with the snap of his fingers.

Findell

Washington and how many robots got into the city is defintely something that has to be delt with, but probbaly not by perry directly. He should be doing safe thing building up more stuff for the future.

Andrew

Solaris starts to go a little crazy. B plot Has too many plot holes. he could go insane as if. it would Have to be a External force And there's too many intelligent people in your world they would catch that / Whose eggs are these? B plot Has just The right amount of chaos and potential to be fun

Trathnonen

I don't love the Solaris goes crazy narrative. I enjoy the character being a morally grey do what it takes type who really only leads the city because he's the power holding it all together. He knows if he's not there the worst elements of the city will begin to vie for dominance, he knows even the heroes need someone standing above to keep order and he doesn't even enjoy that it's him that has to do it. I think, if anything, a better story line is that Solaris is just fucking tired man, and wants to lay it down for a while, and the city starts to freak out when someone leaks that he might be retiring.

Carl Mason

I feel like at this point, the only thing holding Solaris together is his job, if he retired he would end up being relieved that Replica returned and he could too. Save him from another round of whatever retirees do in Franklin. Maybe a farm? Full time politics?

Matt

I personally like this idea over Solaris going crazy. We have enough crazy characters. I would prefer improving the apocalypse civilization over just another crazy OP bad guy that shouldn’t lose to Paradox. I would also like to see Grandma supervillain showing up to yoink the professor’s comeback story and co-opt it for her own purposes, like recolonizing Manita ahead of schedule.

Infinate Fail

i really dont like the idea of solaris going crazy, its seems a bit too obvious as something thats happening merely to drive the plot. Replicants have been getting a lot of attention already, so maybe A plot is them repairing the city, making everything way more efficient and automated, maybe building new gadgets preparing for taking back Manita, B plot is possible child raising, or some other relationship thing as a lot was said and promised for if he returned alive, with a C plot of the replicators making moves in the back ground, and possible whatever is going on with the tide and what not.

vetro 26

Think it would be a good character arc for our mysterious leader of Franklin

Ryan Naquin

With the replicators out of the way humanity needs to start expanding again and Perry can work on tech for outposts as prep for establishing a beach head on Manita. I also like the post where Solaris is just tired and wants to prepare a replacement. Dude has been holding the city together by force of will for years. It doesnt matter how invulnerable the guy is the mind can only take so much stress before something gives and Solaris seems self aware enough to recognize it.

Carl Mason

I just want to see a family bonding episode where Perry, Nat, Heather (mostly just grumbling, criticizing and grabbing stuff), Darrell, Mom (I forgot her name), and Grandma (I dare not speak her name) work together to build a Giga-Magi-Mecha-Godzilla/wagon train/mobile FOB/hotel+casino for the scouting and colonization effort on Manita. Also a spirit forge in there somewhere.

LeoClashes

Solaris can't go Scion. It would have to be due to external manipulation, he's been shown as too level headed and stable to just randomly snap. Unless there's some really long winded significant build up to that moment anyway

David Burchfield

Well I am assuming the DNA in the Van was his (his old drug van from when he lived in chicago according the MD). Meaning we both have evidence of him killing pre powers, and someone who might try to screw with him (this scrape guy). To top it off powers seem tied to the Tide somehow so powerful Supers have a well documented and repeated mentioned tendency to go nuts (as has been mentioned numerous times in story) hence the anchor system. Still not really what I want to see but the groundwork has been put in place.

The Gerg

Establishing a foothold on mantina wouldn't be a horrible idea even if its just a small bit of land then book 4 could have two parallel city's to work with you could also have perry try to slowly expand Franklin city

Nick DiRubio

I don't have a particularly strong feeling one way or the other, aside from not enjoyiong the idea of Solaris going crazy.

LeoClashes

He mentioned fail-safes and whatnot but it still feels really cheap to me to make him snap when he's been fully in control of himself for all his screentime. Having someone else mess with his mind? Perfectly reasonable imo.

Mitchell

Very friendly alien invasion, but they mutate when they enter Earth and get all retarded and killy.

Ranger Science

Solaris is the B plot. You’ve foreshadowed it with the other meaning for Sweepers.

Nonthawit SAE-HIA

I like : Washington and the remaining humanoid replicants I do not like Solaris go a little crazy or turning bad

Jackson Andrews

I would like to see nuance with the solaris situation. i don’t think he can be a direct enemy but i do think that having something happen is already heavily foreshadowed. I like the idea of solaris floating the idea of retirement, but i also like the idea of the portal to mantia being out in the wilds and perry trying to form a new city. perhaps putting him at odds with solaris in a political sense. or do more with washington city. perhaps dr. replica goes to washington as a b plot. also i would love to see more chemistro, perhaps even having him be the crux of whatever the primary plot is.

Ryan Naquin

Remember when that tinker who specialized in magnetism tried to turn himself into a being of pure magnetic fields? Its possible that he succeeded but solaris blasting him with light provided a conduit for the tinker to 'infect' Solaris. (Light is a electromagnetic wave) Now the tinker is getting stronger driving Solaris mad whenever he usrs his powers.

mhaj58

Maybe instead of Solaris going crazy he gets snippy with wanting to retire and wants Paradox to succeed him. Replicator professor uses that to give him a child like clone and it goes crazy causing an ultimate team up. At the very least we should see the Zaubueter family team up with everyone going all out either against Solaris, the replicator professor, or the wilderness in Manila. Hopefully you include Heathers baby and more of Sophie because she has been underutilized in book 2

Domy

The mantia invasion is to early, maybe setting up long term projects for it but no major plot points unless it’s a Chekhov’s gun. Or wand in this case. Maybe perry starting his magitech industrialisation. Solaris getting sick rather that old tired and demented would be more interesting, as it has the major axis of hero’s worrying over him and making snap decisions, plus villains trying to either take a bigger piece of the pie or outright trying to finish him off before he recovered. Could see some low tier villains make stupid mistakes with possibly scrape realising what he has done and either getting to big for his boots or panicking and trying to flee the city.

Gilshim

more Brandon discovery, unless you've mentioned not to bring that up. otherwise exploring Washington and maybe city building on earth to create a forward base before going to Manita

Tim Deral

I don't like Solaris going crazy. I feel everybody likes him and it's nice to have him. It'd be better if paradox would somehow make him weaker

Tim Deral

I also like Brandon getting more attention. Overall I feel many characters deaths where instant without any reactions. The whole story suddenly got super serious and no gimmicks or super hero stuff is there any more, which is kind of Sad. I want sex scenes with heather because I want them. Overall: just more chill side of life stuff. Then going to manits would be smart

wd40bomber7

Honestly I like Solaris and I'd rather he stick around un-crazy. Its nice to have some concrete-ness somewhere. Recolonizing Manita actually sounds really cool. Or maybe something to do with the egg(s)/Tide?