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What keeps creatives going when the industry feels like it's falling apart? Ana Marie Cox and Open Mike Eagle get real with Paul F. Tompkins about the hustle, the joy, and the sheer stubbornness it takes to keep performing—no matter what. Paul shares the highs, the lows, and the soul-feeding magic that makes it all worth it. Plus, they dig into why certain people (ahem, Elon and Trump) are so desperate to be liked, and why they’ll never quite get there.

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