What Does It Take to Stay Kind in a Brutal Industry? with Josh Gondelman and Maris Kreizman (Patreon)

Comedian Josh Gondelman and writer Maris Kreizman join us to talk about surviving the creative economy as individuals and as a couple. We dig into the emotional labor of staying hopeful, the financial logistics of making art with no guarantees, and what happens when even the “success stories” feel precarious.