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Grey's Anatomy: S5 E12 "Sympathy for the Devil" (Patreon)

Published:
2025-08-10 04:13:43
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2026-01-27 22:11:34
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Derek's mother makes a surprise visit and meets Meredith for the first time; Mark tries to hide his relationship with Lexie; Cristina and Owen try to go on their first date.

What did you think about the episode? Leave a comment and let me know!

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Hallie Anna

I feel that better understanding or at least being curious about Meredith’s empathy towards him would be nice. We don’t know if there is more behind the grace she has given him so to me rising to anger towards her is too much.

Hallie Anna

Think about the therapy sessions she had with Dr Wyatt where she was pushing Meredith to stop running from hard conversations or emotional situations. Therapy has been pushing her to face the hardest emotional situations. This is a direct test of Meredith facing death which we know she has a complicated layered relationship with AND seeing a tough situation through, despite her closest loved ones challenging it and being misaligned with her.

Hallie Anna

In reality her approach to him (aside from that final scene) has actually been the best of all between her, christina, and derek because at the end of the day she’s upholding the oath that she took to treat all patients equally and as people not ailments or their actions in life thus far.

Hallie Anna

So do I defend a serial killer? No. But I’m able to make space for ideas and behavior that I personally do not align with. It’s a complex situation. I could never be upset with Meredith for this.

Turn Up the Mike

I don't agree with framing Meredith's behavior toward a remorseless serial killer as purely an extension of her oath as a doc or therapy growth. Meredith’s empathy in this situation isn’t just “facing a hard conversation” it’s offering personal grace and emotional connection to someone who has taken five women’s lives without an ounce of remorse. That’s not the same as treating a patient equally. Yeah professionalism requires neutral treatment, but it doesn’t require personal warmth toward someone who has committed ongoing violence, especially when the victims families are still living with the trauma. This isn’t just about her relationship with death, but about her willingness to humanize and connect with someone who has deliberately caused death repeatedly. Empathy is a choice and in this situation I think it’s one that can be reasonably criticized as misguided or crossing a line, particularly of you're a black and white person like me.

Turn Up the Mike

And yes it's a complex situation but complexity doesn’t mean everyone will arrive at the same emotional response. So yes my immediate response was anger and I don't think that's unreasonable. I can fully comprehend Meredith’s backstory, therapy arc, and relationship with death and still conclude that in this instance her actions cross a line I can’t personally justify. Understanding context isn’t the same as agreeing with the outcome in my opinion, and I definitely don't think it strips me of the right to feel angry, especially as my immediate first reaction to the scene. Making space for ideas I don’t align with doesn’t automatically mean I can’t also strongly disagree with them, you know?

Hallie Anna

Overall Shonda has done an amazing job through the storytelling in this show to show that empathy doesn’t mean agreement or forgiveness. So kudos to her and the conversation she has sparked even 15 years later. I’m a therapist of 15 years and will always lean into showing compassion for the sake of compassion and believing empathy can exist separately from condoning actions but I also fully understand how some may view it as betrayal to the victims by Meredith almost as if she’s minimizing their suffering and viewing it as Meredith going beyond the baseline expectation of a doctor when she showed warmth. Love the grey of this grey’s episode.

SkyS

Great reaction friend..... Hang in there with the ghost Denny storyline it is almost over..... I think

Turn Up the Mike

I can respect that perspective, and I agree Shonda definitely knew how to spark layered conversations with this storyline. She stay delivering and giving us something to talk about, I love it!

Hallie Anna

Love a black woman from infinity to infinity. 🩷

Johnesha :)

While I wholeheartedly agree that this man is disgusting and does not deserve compassion whatsoever…I’m also one of those people who don’t see things in black and white…I never have. I hate how she’s going about it, I would never be chatting it up with him nor would I ever let him feel that I have compassion for him…but in my heart I know I would feel it just a little. I think that comes from my own trauma but that’s another story lol. But I do fully understand your point and anger towards this particular storyline because it does anger me also, I just know that I’d be the one you’d be looking at sideways for feeling a TINY bit of compassion lmao and you know what friend, that’s okay 🤣🤣 Also, just give ghost Denny a few more eps, we almost there 😂

tai leake

I think you right... I'm scared😭😭😭

tai leake

I get what you saying I feel like he dying anyway why not save a child in the process. Like if the kid was not a factor I would be on Derek side but that kid deserves to live so I'm on mer side I don't like the whole feeling bad for the murderer but hey she's got her own trauma so idk I'm ready for the next episode 😭😭😭

tai leake

I love Arizona standing up for herself with everyone bc everyone on her ass leave her alone to do her damn job😭😭😭

Turn Up the Mike

Aww friend I think it's fine to feel a little bit of compassion! LMAO I was more upset with the way that Meredith acted on the compassion she was feeling for him. Like you said, you wouldn't be chatting it up with him like he one of the homies or let him see very clearly that you feel bad for him. THAT is really what threw me. Her damn near befriending a serial killer. But I appreciate you being ok with a lil side eye from me 😂 our friendship can survive that!! And yeah....I'll just continue keeping my mouth shut for most ghost Denny scenes lol it helps if I just disconnect 😭

Turn Up the Mike

😂 Yeah the kid is the only reason Mer did what she did so I'll give her a pass

Johnesha :)

Lmaoo yeah my good sis was acting kinda crazy talking to him like they go way back or something…like girl this man is an actual killer this ain’t play play lol but that’s my fav & ima stick beside her I guess 😂 I can’t wait for the next few eps, the rest of the season…whew! So good friend!

Heather

On the chance you haven’t watched the next episode, it does open with him bashing his head. I usually fast forward, but it flashes back and forth with a Meredith monologue. Not that I would normally say any spoilers at all, but that is just too awful to go into blind 😬 And only since you asked lol, things with Denny will start making sense in episode 16.

diana (world of tinashe)

now see...Meredith I was defending you last episode because you were upholding your doctor's oath and saving a patient's life but in this episode...you've lost me, because you should've just kept on and checking to see if his vitals and his condition are okay but no need for trying to be friendly or kind to him...that's a murder girl😭​and the fact that he had the nerve to say "I don't want to die on the table like some animal", DO YOU THINK THOSE FIVE WOMEN WANTED TO DIE THE WAY THEY DID AND HAVE THEIR LIVES CUT SHORT BY YOU?? while I would usually whack someone for not teaching the interns, Sadie absolutely deserves the way Bailey is talking to her and treating her. And the fact that that man just offered his organs to a child while he was on the elevator?? I don't think Danny is staying much longer friend so please hang in there, we'll get to it any day now....I'm weak at Izzy breaking up with Denny's ghost and Alex asking her to meet his parents tho Arizona girl, I am so happy that you're standing up for yourself because you're the CHIEF OF PEDIATRIC SURGERY and ever since you came in the last episode people have been doubting you + questioning all of your decisions so I need you to keep whacking them left and right. I'm so glad that Mark talked to Callie after the surgery and gave her advice after she told him that she's scared to open up and get hurt again...I love their friendship 🥹 Izzy looking at Meredith like she's crazy for telling Derek's mom about the kind of person she actually is, I know you're not judging miss fucking and talking to the ghost of your dead boyfriend...

Clay W

I hate the Denny thing too Mike. Trust me I get it, but while I won't spoil it, there is a reason for it. I know it's hard but you gotta push on through.

Maria Pascarella

I might be in the minority in this, but to have the murderer die on death row, rather than the hospital is a waste of good organs that could save many innocent people

jo

@38:25 I think you talked over the part where he said what happened to the guy - what the trauma is