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How many reps of Boxing / Jiu Jitsu / Sword fighting do you think the Mc could realistically take? Power-wise, she could go at it forever. That would mean years of repetitions.

Mental-wise...

Honestly, don't want her to jump from base-line human to expert martial artist in a single day. That's... technically doable? She could fight Natalie for subjective years and then go find someone tougher to grind against, but it feels like that would be... psychopathic? Insane? The equivalent of self-torture, of a sort? So I need a realistic amount of training/grinding.

Mostly I'm relying on how often I myself fought some of the tougher Fromsoft bosses before stepping back and changing up my strategy entirely.

Chapter Four 

The gym was called Ctrl+Alt+Delts. The owner was apparently an IT-tech of some sort turned body-builder. In the literal sense of that word. There used to be a section of the gym that sold cyberware, but that had been removed some time ago to make more space for weights and cardio machines and just more floorspace.

As it turned out, the highly competitive cyberware market was far tougher to break into than the subscription gym model.

I walked into a small antechamber at the front of the gym and nodded to the bored man behind the counter. It took some doing, but I soon had a one-month membership to the gym. There went $120 of my remaining funds. It wasn’t too bad, for a lower-level gym.

Past the antechamber was the gym proper. It had a large L-shaped room clearly divided into two sections. On one stretch there were free weights and barbells and machines to work muscles. On the other were cardio machines; treadmills and mechanical torture devices to target every muscle group.

I glanced past that. There was a room at the back that had padded mats across the entire floor, and which was usually used for training and sometimes for dance choreography or small gymnastics. 

I walked over that way, then poked my head into the room. The exact person I was looking for was there.

Her name was Natalie, and she’d been one of the instructors that Luna Corp regularly hired for martial arts training. 

That had been a weekly thing, where she’d walk into one of the floors in the HQ that we had to convert into a training space, and then she’d throw us around before showing us the bare basics of Jiu-Jitsu and traditional western wrestling, along with a smattering of boxing and more ‘strike’ focused training. She also taught some amount of sword fighting, mostly using batons but she had clearly known what she was doing.

It was... vaguely useful. Luna Corp sometimes had to do policing duties on top of the usual work, and that meant that having armed and armoured E-rankers that could maybe take out a perp and put them in a lock was handy.

Against the kinds of monsters that came from a portal, it was less useful. 

Most Jiu-Jitsu holds worked under the assumption that your foe had no more than two arms and didn’t have knives for legs. 

Still, some amount of physical training was good in specific scenarios, and more cardio was always good.  

Luna Crop alternated martial arts training with CQB, room-clearing, and firearms training.

Guns were still guns. It didn’t matter than a D-ranker could move faster and heal quickly. A 9mm hole through their skull would take them down all the same. 

C-rankers... might be able to live through that. Which is why god gave us lowly mortals the .45 ACP. 

And for rogue B-rankers, there was always prayer. 

“Hey,” I said as I stuck my head into the room. “Natalie, right?”

Natalie looked up, which was a feat considering her front was almost flat to the ground, legs out in a wide V-stance that hurt my hips just to look at. “That’s me,” she said before moving up, then back. She rested on her back for just a moment before folding her legs then kipping up and into a squat that she stood from with practiced ease.

Natalie was a taller woman, almost six feet barefoot, which meant that I was looking slightly upwards to meet her gaze. Still, her height was second to her musculature when it came to intimidation. Natalie lived in the gym, and it showed. 

“Need me?” she asked.

“Ah, yeah, a bit,” I said. “I heard that you did training? Martial arts classes and the like?”

She nodded. “Yup! Two days a week. There’s a paper by the front and I have a site too. The courses aren’t part of the gym’s whole thing. I’m private, but I rent the space often enough that I’m always around if you need a private instructor for something.”

I tried a smile on. “Yeah, that’s perfect. Actually, I was wondering if you could spare me a lesson or two? I need to get, ah, stronger.”

Natalie eyed me for a moment, her brows drawing together. “I do group sessions, mostly,” she said. 

“I know, that’s fine,” I said. “But do you mind private instruction too? I just need someone to spar with, to show me some of the basics. I know a little, but not enough.”

“Uh-huh,” she said. “One-fifty an hour is my rate.”

“That’s not too bad,” I said, swallowing past a lump in my throat.

“For group work,” she continued. “I don’t do private. Did you boyfriend smack you around or something and now you wanna be all tough?”

I blinked. I’d almost forgotten how... direct, she could be. There had been a few complaints about her, back at Luna Corp, but other than throwing me on the mat a few times I’d never felt any hostility from her.

“No? I mean, nothing like that,” I said. “If it’s too much... oh, nevermind,” I said.

One of her brows perked up, but she didn’t say anything as I slipped out of the room.

Crap. That was...

Actually, no. If there was ever a time to test my powers, it was now. I closed my eyes for a moment and reset my Save to the moment. 

It felt dangerous, in a way. Why not keep my Save point as far back in the past as possible? What if I missed an important opportunity? 

But then, what if I missed an even bigger one by not using the power? I didn’t want to have misgivings later when I failed to practice with my abilities now, when it was still safe to do so.

I walked back into the room. “Let’s fight,” I said.

“Pardon?” Natalie asked.

“One fight. Look, if I’m going to hire you, I need to know that you’re the real deal,” I said. 

“No,” she replied.

I Reloaded and stepped back into the room. “How much?” I asked.

“For?” she asked in return.

“A bout. A spar. Just the one. I can take you.”

She scoffed. “No,” she said.

I Reloaded, then again, then again. It was on my sixth attempt that I found the magical words. 

“Five hundred,” I said. “But only if you win.”

Natalie snorted, almost said no, but then shrugged. “I could use the cash,” she replied. “But... nah.”

“Come on,” I said. “I’ve go so much energy to burn here.”

She looked up at that, then met my eyes for a moment. That had resonated with her, maybe. It felt like it might have, in any case. “Okay, then,” she replied. “What do you want to train? Boxing, grapples, sword fighting?”

“Sword fighting?”

“There are training swords here, and some old face-guards and the like,” she said. “But nah, I’m not doing that kind of thing with a rank amateur.”

I hesitated, then suggested boxing, which meant ten minutes of prep time. There was a ring at the back that I hadn’t been aware of. It was smaller than regulation-size, and in a room that smelled a little mouldy. The ring was only a half-step from the floor as well, and the ceiling wasn’t all that tall, but it was good enough for training.

Natalie watched me put my gloves on, then called it off. I was clearly an amateur, and she didn’t want to go on with it.

The next try worked, mostly because I took five minutes to watch a video on how to wear the damned gloves correctly.

She beat the shit out of me. She was faster, and hit harder, but mostly she just read me like an opened book.

So I Reloaded after taking a few licks, then tried again. 

Now the ‘prep’ stage was annoying me, but it gave me a repeated fifteen minute gap to consider what to do, and to get used to being in a body that didn’t have eyes full or tears and a nose that stung. 

It took six repetitions before I got a single good punch in. Ten before I was feeling like I had an idea of how Natalie was moving.

I... wish I had the patience to repeat things over, and over, and over again, until I was on the same level as Natalie. But she had hundreds of hours in the ring. Maybe thousands. In five-minute increments, it would take me tens of thousands of repetitions to catch up.

My gut told me that that wasn’t impossible. That I absolutely could keep going back forever.

My mind told me that I’d lose patience long, long before that ever happened. 

I did another ten repetitions, counting them off in my head until I’d reached a solid twenty attempts in the ring. 

That  had been enlightening. I was starting to get an idea of what I was doing wrong, the lessons reinforced with Natalie’s fists.

Then I switched to Jiu-Jitsu, a martial art that I knew a little bit more about. 

Didn’t change the fact that I spent most of the time I was training it eating the mat.

Yeah, this was basically torture, of a sort, but I figured that one real-time day’s worth of this was worth a lot. If repetition was the mother of learning, then I was learning that my mom was a mean bitch with a wicked right hook.

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Comments

HikinBear

Any kind of martial art is both a Mental and Physical learning experience. Since her body is being reset when she ‘Resets’ she is missing any muscle memory she might otherwise have gained. All she is learning is how to fight that one person, not gaining the skill itself. So while the whole montage might be interesting, she isn’t really gaining much. Her power is perfect for gaining information, such as how to improve her D-rank or how to jump up to C-rank.

CM

Thanks for the chapter! This didn't make sense to me. The instructor said "I’m always around if you need a private instructor for something.” But then a couple of paragraphs later she said "For group work,” she continued. “I don’t do private." Did ( you > your) boyfriend smack you around or something

Syly

Realistically, a few years is enough training to become at least somewhat adept at martial arts with serious intent behind the practice. However, because she's not *actually* improving her reflexes, muscles, or stamina, she'll only gain the know-how and mental training (there's a meditative aspect to most martial arts). The main benefit she'll want to gain is the HABITS. She'll want to get used to stretching. To practicing her forms every single day. To the excersize. To the mental focus. THAT stuff she can train in just a few months, easily. Once she's built those habits, and gained the martial arts knowledge she desires, she'd effectively be "done", as going back would then offer diminishing returns. At least until she's more physically capable. Side note: if she manages to keep the mentality of training for the aspects she can actually keep (ie. habits and mentality), she'd be able to do it for years without much mental strain, unless the world goes to shit or she endures some form of trauma every time she reloads. It's a surprisingly relaxing, stress relieving, and mentally stabilizing activity.

phillip page

Shes got the heart for this, but she missed one thing, if your body can't do what you're asking it to, it really doesn't matter how much experience you have with fighting. Now that experience, it's worth a hell of a lot more outside of the fight.

Syly

Whether or not she'll know that the habits are what she needs to focus on is another thing entirely though. She *seems* competent enough and experienced enough (past life) to figure it out on her own, but I don't know shit about her outside of these few chapters lol.

Menthewarp

"Ctrl+Alt+Delts" World-Class pun!!!

Menthewarp

This feels like a more streamlined Agartha. I approve.

RavensDagger

Unfortunately, I stole it from... somewhere. It's not a birb!original pun :( Still a real good one tho! :3

White Neko Knight

The issue MC is going to run into is fatigue. Most people aren't built for a gamer like grind. Learning how to manage her self improvement, over arching goal, and save points will be a large part of her character progress. Once she breaks out of what ever funk repeating the same hour over and over again without experiencing physical fatigue puts her into. She'll probably set up week or month long loops to grind through. That'll help with mental fatigue while still taking advantage of her learning opertunity. Also, has anyone thought about the mental effects of your body being constantly refreshed? Even her physical Brain will be refreshed. Her Mind will end up craving new experiences after repeating the same actions, yet her Brain will feel fresh. Tis a wild state of being to think about.

Dirheim

It's "common" knowledge that you need 10,000 hours to master an skill, but if the muscle/tissue/nerves doesn't comes back from the loop, only the knowledge, the MC will hit a wall soon. I think the best she will get from this loop is to get the basic knowledge of multiple fighting styles like boxing, martial arts, swords, daggers, grappling,, so she can become a jack of all traders before getting bored and switch to fix her money issues with betting in horse races/fighting or similar things where random is not involved.

Will C

Hmm remembering some stuff my instructor told me with Karate, if you pretty much treat it like a job and train 5days a week you can hit 1st dan in 4-5 months with a good teacher and a modicum of talent. Some people could be quicker some longer it's only after you have the basics down at that point where your opponent really matters.

GryphonKnight

> How many reps of Boxing / Jiu Jitsu / Sword fighting do you think the Mc could realistically take? Power-wise, she could go at it forever. That would mean years of repetitions. >Mental-wise... As long as they don’t age Infinite Not only can they have infinite training, but they can have infinite leisure time (play ALL the video games) But Without muscle memory, they will probably memorize Bad Habits since the repetitions will have the limits of their current body infinitely. Additionally, martial training often has a social, and mental, component to deal with adrenaline, harming another being, and after care. Especially combat focused training Without others in they time loop they will become obsessed with current pop culture or disgusted by it (time loop stories often under estimate how much common experiences tie us together) Personally I could never be a voluntary time looper because I am always looking forward to upcoming book, comic, tv show, movies, etc. (with live service games taking over the video game industry, a time looper would be at a disadvantage since they would become skilled at an out of date meta) I would prefer a cloning power since I have trouble with deadlines and FOMO

POtato

Who among us hasnt payed all of their remaining money to get thrown around by a tall muscular woman?

GryphonKnight

Mental component should be meditative component

G_Man_No_99

10 or so times a day I think and she needs someone she can trust with what she can do

Will C

Depends there have been two recent studies that say muscle memory is a myth and it really is just memory memory. As your subconscious picks up the slack once you have trained and ingrained something enough in which case she is in a really good position if she focuses on the gym work gets her body in shape and crates a save point then. After that it is just how much she can take and push mentally.

Will C

Hmm thinking more it would put her in a better position if she got her body in shape first then saved and started grinding skills.

Ryune

Hmmmm, it feels like she really isn't going to get any advantage from this. A big part of learning martial arts is building up the specific muscles that you don't use as much in daily life. She might get a lot of play out of softer styles but even there, if she doesn't have the muscles built up in the right places, she is going to hurt herself. She would probably get much better results by just going dark souls protagonist and throwing herself at combat until it clicks. Alternatively, going to the shooting range and other combat options that are considerably less specifically physically demanding. Things like practicing throwing grenades or knives, positioning for combat... parkour to a certain extent. Actually, parkour might be one of her best options at the moment. Give herself a challenge to make it through an area as fast as possible and then keep at it till she gets tired of it. It's also something that more general physical conditioning would benefit from and be the result from.

Syly

I'm not so sure about that. I have some education on human anatomy, so I won't say it's wrong, but I'm fairly certain that reflexes are trained over time. On the one hand, it's most likely correct that memory-memory is the real reason behind "muscle memory." Habits and mentally trained instinctual reactions are all based on repetetive experiences. On the other hand, the nervous system can be improved with that same repetition, thus enhancing the perception of the idea of "muscle memory." She would distinctly lack that improvement. She'd have an enhanced mental reaction, but a disporportionate physical reaction. That might actually prove to be more detrimental than helpful - but that's only hypothetical of course.

Michael Yust

My take on it is how OCD she is. Going from a video game standpoint, I have spent 10+ hours learning one boss's moves in WoW. I also would spend hours(more than 2 less than 100) in CS shooting guns at walls in an empty server to learn their spray patterns. I know I am not normal. People have different levels of tolerance for learning, but a day of intense training like this will be a good start. It won't make her a master, it will give her a jump on the other beginners. You could always keep track of how much time she's spent working on something. Figure 100 hours to learn the basics, 1000 hours, and she will be good, and 10,000 to master it

wanderer117

It depends on how long her loops are. Different limits for different time spans. Micro loops (like in this chapter) have limited focused training potential. They may also be addictive if she is regularly hurt before reloading then "heals" removing the injuries that were causing her pain. Short loops (single to several days) are better for short term goals and would give her more time to mentally decompress. They have the potential for repetition boredom but we don't really remember boring activities over the span of days like we do over the span of minutes. Limits could include current funds, teacher availability, really anything that isn't memories that takes longer than the loop. Long term loops would be better for more complicated training but would cause her to disconnect more from the people around her. Long term loops also have the potential problem of ingraining bad / weird habits. Like physical fitness can change noticeably over the course of a month so reverting will feel like both losing progress, getting sick or taking a debilitating injury (I'm imagining something like breathing toxic smoke that hurts your lung capacity while they heal).

Sauce Master

What if she has a deja vu passive where she can feel things that are familiar. That way it helps her recognize and learn things. Like a time version of spider senses. Like one feeling disruptions in time And to be more on the point, not time slowing down (yet) when doing repetitions, but the fact that she has done them so often that the repititons stand out to her more. Kind of like her seeing or feeling echos But as She's super early just make it a very faint passive she can't describe.

ScarletIce

She could always just take breaks between reps. Literally any amount of loops where she just eats ice cream and watches cat videos until she is ready for more.

Raven

If she’s able to retain memories, then that means that the neurons in her mind are retaining those connections. And reflexes are just your neurons (sensory, spinal, motor, etc…) adjusting to external stimuli so that one can react more quickly. So why can’t she retain reflexes between reloads? If the neurons in her brain can retain connections, why can’t the neurons throughout her body? I guess it’s all up to how the author wants to write the power system, but that’s how I’d interpret the memory/reflex retention issue.