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Chapter Twenty-Six - The Demon Lord

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Rosario discovered a small antechamber beyond the gates. It was a clean space, with couches and tables and a foyer, and somehow, despite the fantasy-setting and the style of the furniture, it still gave her the same vibes as an employee break room.

She brushed past that as she continued on.

There was no doubt on where to go next. There was only one door in this room, barred and made of thick wood.

She blew past it with a muttered [Disintegration Beam] aimed at the hinges, and then she was in a long, low tunnel with a floor that was sloped downwards slightly. She cast [Light] to illuminate her path. The space reeked. She found herself pulling a small cleaning cloth from her inventory and pressing it over her lower face to cover the smell. It was... deeply unpleasant. Porta-potty on a hot summer day, unpleasant. 

Still, she moved onwards.

Her master was there.

The passage ended with a cell. Iron bars, spaced evenly apart, with a cell door in their centre. Past them was a claustrophobic room. No windows. Just a small space, enough for a cot and small end table and little else.

The only light came from her spell. It was enough to illuminate the lone man in the room.

Slowly, he stood.

He had the appearance of an older gentleman who had been through too much. His frame was gaunt, but his skin spoke of old muscles lost to time. He had a beard, though it was short, and by the looks of it, both the beard and his hair had been regularly hacked off with little consideration for style.

He, of course, stank. She could smell him from afar. It was the sickly scent of the ill, of the feverish and dying. It was the scent of a hospice. 

“You came,” he said. 

His voice was a rasp, soft, tired, dry. Still, the man smiled, and for a moment, Rosario could well imagine how he had once been a rather handsome figure. She looked up, noting the two ugly nubs that had once likely been horns before someone sawed them off. She used [Inspect] despite it all.

Augustus Hellsreach

The Demon Lord

[King of Lithos] - Level 81

“My lord,” Rosario said. She reached into her inventory and pulled out a kettle. It had been used just last night and still had tea in it. She had been wanting to see if keeping things in her inventory kept them safe. It didn’t work that way. Still, a quick cast of a fire spell warmed it back up, and she poured the reheated tea into a cup. “For your voice,” she said.

He chuckled, hands reaching through the bars to take the cup. His hands shook, and some of the tea spilled, but he drank it nonetheless. “Thank you,” he said.

“Let’s see about getting you out of here, yes?” she asked.

She didn’t know what to do about this.

The fight earlier had been fun. It was so much more vivid than the game, but her reflexes kicked in and it was incredible to move so fast and with so much power. But that had been for fun. This felt... different. 

“Don’t bother,” he said.

She didn’t listen. A quick spell melted partway though the iron bars. She frowned, then cast again with a lot more power behind it. It took that effort to break the bars at their base. They were obviously made of something magically resistant. She squinted at the far side of the cage, finally noticing the tiny runework inscribed on the inside of the bars. 

Someone had gone through great lengths to keep this man here.

“Don’t bother,” she repeated.

He nodded, then slowly moved back to the bed and sat. His motions were slow, careful. “I’m happy that you came. My Faithful Maid. Ah. What a gamble that was.”

“You’re the reason I’m here?” she asked.

“Yes,” he said simply. He took another sip of tea. “This is the first tea I’ve had in sixty years... I missed it. I missed many things.”

“And yet you don’t want to leave?”

He looked up to her and it took some time for his eyes to focus on hers. “I’m broken,” he said.

She felt something twist inside her. There was a great deal of certainty in what he said. “My lord?” She asked. She wasn’t sure if she was still roleplaying or not. Part of her wasn’t. This was just some old, old man who deserved some amount of empathy. 

“I know what I am,” he said. “I’ve been here too long. I’m destined to die here. I’ve decided that already, and I don’t think I want my mind changed. I’m sorry, my Faithful Maid. But... there’s one final thing you could do for me. Please?”

“Of course,” she replied.

He licked his lips. “I’ve had some news from the outside. Whispers. Some of the guards gloat. Some were... closer to allies. Lithos is suffering. As expected. I don’t know if I even care anymore. Funny, how time does that to you, isn’t it?” He finished the tea, then set the cup down next to him before he slowly fell back onto his cot. “I’ve been waiting. And now you’re here, and my mind can’t seem to know what to do next. Forgive me.”

“You’re forgiven.”

He chuckled darkly. “A final order, then, my Faithful Maid.”

“Yes?”

“My sons were killed. All eight of them. Three of my daughters as well. But one... she made it away. I sensed it when she passed, but she had a child, a daughter, or so I’ve been told. Eleanor Hellsreach. She’s pretending to be another, but... there’s an academy, in Dawntown. Find her, would you?”

“I can do that,” she said. “But then what?”

“Be her Faithful Maid,” he said.

She nodded, slowly, even if she was aware that he couldn’t see. She felt something shift in the air.

“My ancestors,” he said suddenly, with a lot more vigor. “When they passed. They would burn their bodies. They have me here for my body. They take my hair, my blood. It’s valuable. It’s value is why I was able to summon you. Ah... I don’t want them to use me anymore. This is no order, for you are no longer my Faithful Maid, but... if you could be so kind? Light a final pyre for me, would you?”

“I can see what can be done,” she said.

She waited for more.

None came. Her ears flicked as she heard a final rattle come from the man’s chest.

Rosario didn’t quite know what to do, but there was an itch in her chest that was pulling her to somewhere far away. Her new master?

She... was not beholden to that. Coming here was mostly a whim, to see if she could and to satisfy her curiosity, and honestly? She had more questions than she started with. How had he summoned her here? At the moment, she could only question a corpse. 

Sighing, she turned and started to make her way up the slope, then she paused and looked back. He wanted a pyre, no?

She raised a hand, then pushed magic into a spell, then more, and more. She watched as a dozen intricate magical circles formed and shifted, locking into place as something grander than the sum of their parts.

“[Pillar of Hellfire].”

There was a suitable irony there.

At least, she thought so until some small part of her remembered how guns worked. A large explosion in an enclosed space with only one exit, with something (say, a maid) in the path of that explosion...

Rosario eeped as she was blasted out of the passage and into the room beyond. She was followed by a howling mass of flames that licked at the ceiling and walls and seemed to be determined to swallow the room.

The moment she found her footing, she darted out of the room, down the corridor, and back into the room with the pillars where she had fought the two Titled.

They were still there, being helped to their feet by a new team of guards.

The moment held for a moment as they stared at her and she stared back. Then she started to feel some warmth coming in from behind her. The fire was spreading.

“The Demon Lord is dead. Long live the Demon Lady,” she said. “Also, you may wish to consider evacuating the Castle.” She heard a boom behind her. Was the masonry failing already? “Perhaps the environs around it as well.”

She cast another spell. [Teleport to City].

Rosario appeared in the centre of Alpta, landing with a slight bend of her knees. A few people stared at her appearance, but not many. Most were turning their attention towards the Castle in the distance, or perhaps towards the growing pillar of spinning fire reaching out of the Castle and into the heavens. 

She patted down her skirts, wincing as soot and dust puffed out of the fabric.

Right, a quick change of clothes, then maybe a rain summoning spell to stop the city from going up, and then... well, it was about time she looked at her bank statement, wasn’t it?

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I have noooo idea what to do next~ I've got a lot of scenes planned for later, once we have the princess around, but that's a ways off. Hmm...

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Exonator

Been waiting for this all day, let's Goooooooo!

Some Random Name

Loving this story -- thank you. I'm looking forward to her meeting the princess

K Qu

Dang, I expected Eleanor to be her new master (mistress? idk) when she was introduced, but this wasn’t how I expected to get there.

Widget

so her overarching goal currently is to reach her new Lady. With that you should start asking questions. -how will she get there? -will she bring anyone with her? if so, how will she get them to come? --how much does she choose to trust anyone she brings with her? Also in general I guess theres the question of whether she'll keep shoving off introspection in favor of keeping up the maid façade. I've been kinda hoping she'll confide in Cricket but right now with the castle exploding and Rosario probably becoming a fugitive is probably not the right time lol

Adam

Tftc

BobpleTheGreat

Thanks for the chapter! Now time to sleep~

Jasper Venzelaar-Pelly

Funny bank stuff like something in her vault that makes sense in a video game but embarrassing as all hell irl, don't forget to take enroll the jester in the school :)

Michael Yust

That is how you light a pyre.

Bitty45

I imagine our maid is going to be seeing wanted posters of herself, or something along those lines... Rumors could also spread about the return of the faithful maid, since she wasn't exactly hiding it- which would reach people in high places. Everyone would know that *something* happened up in the castle, and if the guards are loose lipped enough, I could see it getting back to Cricket. Those are my favorite chapters, when Cricket is putting things together. The rebellion might not like that the attack happened, since it would increase vigilance, but it could also be an opportunity.

Exonator

I had hoped for a bit more backstory as to how the Demon Lord remembered her, and how she came to be known as an official aid and ally, despite her having killed him a few times for da loot. (Also it's weird how she has to imagine how he had looked, when she had literally camped out next to a 20 foot tall painting of the guy for a long time) As for where we should go from Here to the princess. Seeing as her cover is more or less blown by now, she will probably just break into the bank to get her stuff, as every and all elven maids in the area would be targeted (although I guess she could just equip another class) Grab an extremely confused Cricket on her way out, probably getting chased by the titeled guys a little, or them just showing up like team rocket once in a while, chasing down rumors of her whereabouts until she can leave the city, possibly beyond that too. Possibly some "conflict" with the thieves guild and mostly the rebels, who will try to find her, and make her the poster child of their rebellion, seeing as she is the only OG Demonlord related entity they know of who is left to rally around. But she just wants to be left alone and find her new Mistress. Come clean (hehe) to Cricket, and then just doing odd maid jobs along the way.

steamrick

The thing about wanted posters is that they force confrontation. And promoting confrontation with someone who's proven capable of taking on other Titled in a 2vs1 fight (plus hangers on) might not be the best of ideas. So instead of wanted posters she might end up playing a game of hide and seek with secret service / inquisition types instead as they try to pin down her location long enough for a team of Titled to get to her.

Eiren Rain

let's goooooo I love this series lots

Narf

I hope she remembered to turn off the title she displayed earlier, or she'll have the entire town and then the kingdom on her arse very quickly. I mean, that'll happen anyways, of course. But with the title shown it'll happen instantly. Poor demon lord. Nobody deserves a treatment like this. And now it's clear why they kept him around - they were harvesting him.

Bitty45

Steamrick reminded me in a reply to my own comment that It's important to remember they probably don't want to cause a direct confrontation of someone who can take on 2 Titled at the same time. So it's much more likely that she'll be able to move freely, just with people spying on her.

Ezra Trost

Is the bell the Demon Lord made the reason Rosario ended up in this world? The bell did explicitly use the word 'summon' in it's message. And if demon body parts are powerful enough that the Kingdom put so much effort into imprisoning the Demon Lord, then perhaps a bell made from those things could be powerful enough to summon someone to his world? The guards say that the ringing from his cell was a recent thing, and it's a bit coincidental that Rosario gets isekai'd right when the bell gets made.

Afonso Santos

Kind of disapointed she just ignored the group of torturers in front of her. Sure, for them It's just a job, but that doesn't change the fact that they were perpetuating (?) the inhumane treatement to some old prisioner. Especially considering that it was her master, whether it was for roleplaying, sentimentality or righteous anger for his treatement, a litle lashing out would be expected

Exonator

Yea I thought about that too, but, you know, Noble pride and all that tend to exceed logic. The smart thing to do would be to simply leave her alone, but where would the fun in that be? She literally gave all the nobles and royal family a bloody nose by just strolling in and doing whatever she wanted, they can't let that go, sets a bad example to the rebels. They could keep it all quiet and blame the fire on a freak accident, keeping her title a secret, but with what 12-18 people knowing, half of them useless drunks whom are bad politically, do you think they can keep a secret that big?

Null

*Cricket, eating a pastry as the castle lights up* D:

SamHawke

dont forget that she deliberately let them live. that is a hard thing to do when one side is trying to kill the other. so that shows shes even more powerful then two titled...

Mirthfilled

So good! Can’t wait to see what’s next! I can totally picture the anime scene made out of the hellfire to Eep scene! I do think Black Apron is better than Black Avatar, subtle allusion to black hat and black tie while also denoting a maid while avatar has a bunch of different connotations.

Nowa

Please tell me that everyone in the shitty castle dies, that they fail to escape due to the castle's defenses blocking any teleportation apart from Rosario's high level teleportation?!

Exonator

I think the summoning bell exclusively sent her the summon message every time it was rung. Maybe on the first ring it got her to the old castle, and then the mana he had stored for a century was gone, (Both his own and maybe some stored in the old ruins themselves, to help boost the spell) and the item he had created only had enough juice to send her summoning messages afterwards, and not, you know, teleport her straight to him, it would make sense if it was done with the help of the mana stored in the stones

Bitty45

They could certainly try, at first. Attacking someone like our maid is suicide without preparation, and they've been careful enough about the Demon Lord's existence to make me think they'd have a little more hesitation than immediately pulling the trigger. I'd imagine a period of gathering information first, and then attempts at ambushes.

Exonator

This comment got me thinking.....what would an item. Like that be? I mean, loads of skimpy armor would be a choice, as we all know bikini armor exist in fantasy worlds, and can have good stats.....but she only wears her maid stuff, and I don't think she would have a sexy maid dress stored away, as she would have used it, on account of her being a twitch streamer. That would tempt the neckbeards to send her even more munnies

Rose

Cricket should helpfully remind her that she has her title ahowing.

Exonator

Ye what is up with the Black Avatar in the title? Author not getting enough sleep again or a reference to something else?

Exonator

That would be absolutely hilarious, she might well have forgotten in all the excitement.

Joel Tone

They finally meet! Yeah, there’s a lot of tangles here to deal with: Cricket, the rebellion, finding her new lady. Good luck getting it all sorted. Thanks for the chapter

Robert Nolan

Thanks for the story so far, I've loved it. For what comes next I see three obvious ways to bridge the gap without a time skip. First is if she thinks "a new demon lady needs a court, and as a maid I should help her with her household." If you go that way you obviously start with a court jester, then maybe a rebellious rat for a spymaster, or not. Once you start you could lean into a Seven Samurai style band of heros thing or possibly have her use stuff from her bank to play fairy godmother to some folks she is recruiting. Regardless this would lead into an assembling the team arc as she travels towards her new mistress. Second idea is that it is time for some good old fashioned existential crisis. How did she get here? Why does you have her game powers? Is it a dream, a simulation, or a different world? Did she really kill real people? Nothing has to be resolved but giving her a crisis en route to her new charge, maybe after killing a bandit for the first time, and having her shut down for a bit and forced to look at the elephant in the room. Gives you a chance to hint at what happened before interrupting it with some bandits on a revenge kick or some persuing soldiers or something. Lastly, she might decide that she needs gear or funds or levels to be able to help. Time for a dungeon dive and some power leveling. Maybe she decides to prop up her friend the Jester along the way. Maybe she decides to actually join the housekeepers guild and has to do some BS hazing quest. What ever it is, it is a side quest that lets us see some progression and world building while letting her settle into this as a real world and not a game.

PalmTrees

She had been wanting to see if keeping things in her inventory kept them *warm*. “I *will* see what can be done,” she said.

Radu Alexandru

I mean, for now she'll be considered a criminal, at least under her disguised appearance since I don't think she went back from it. Personally I think that if she wants to decide if she wants to go beyond role-playing her life in this world it will be done by talking with Cricket

Genebeep (LadyLinq)

So... He knew she was from another world, right? I was hoping they'd have more time to talk.

Manlor

I do look forward to the bank visit. That is always funny! I think there will be fun shenanigans with her following the young demon lady. But hopefully she still has time for her own things on the side.

Adam

Maybe an interlude of Eleanor getting the title next?

Chris P

Oh the bank is hopefully gonna be glorious

Exonator

Right, I had completely ignored the fact she would probably get the title as she is the only one left of the Family. But it would somehow also cheapen the feelings of resolve of pushing through until help arrived for her, or she got strong enough, that the last Elanor chapter left us with.... (If we revisit her like a chapter before Rosario shows up to change her life, maybe not for the better, but probably for the more interesting) Might push her into dispear knowing it's only her now.

Thomas Heaton

If you want to speed things along, after the bank trip (she’s rich!), she hires some sort of magical carriage or something, hires bug girl to be her “charge” so she can remain maidly and fast forward to Dawntown.

BWH

Did the Demon Lord just will himself to die? I can't wait to see Rosie just wander into the bank while everyone is panicking about the city being on fire. 😏

TortyMorty

Love it, thank you. Now that sends an interessting message. ..."Hail the demon Lady".... Will be a nice explanation on how they missed a female relative and now try and find her by sympathetic magic. And look who is next to her... the other princess... Now for Rosario... she has to come to accept that while she is an outsider of some kind, she cannot remain seperate and needs to take some decisions unless she wants them taken for her...

Arcanemagus

This is probably the point where she'll need to either leave Cricket alone for a long while or take her with her.

Steven Whitfield

Access Bank. Money fixes everything. Hire Cricket to guide her to the school. Note that Roserio spilled the beans with Hail the Demon Lady.... Which is going to have everyone scrambling to find/kill likely candidates for the position, considering they exterminated everyone born to his bloodline they could find.

emphes

Is the title change a typo? I definitely prefer Black Apron. Thanks for the chapter! In terms of wrapping up in town, seems like the rebellion getting a foothold and trying to lay claim/overly idolize/politically manoeuver her could be a good motivation for moving on.

emphes

I definitely expected "Protect my (grand) daughter" as soon as they met, and melting the entire castle into a puddle of obsidian seems fair to me.

Ilikehumans

I would expect her to temporarily slip back into the role of the maid of the noble that she was working for. It gives her a cover if she stays at home. Obv go to the bank to get her items as well and start inquiring about her new mistress. (Maybe also 2-3 chapter pov change where we see the mistress being confused by the new mental connection and eventually Rosario stepping in when some more bullying happens). And she needs higher quality clothes and brooms cmon.

J Harrow

Long live the Demon Lady!

J Harrow

It’s time for the cricket-maid ship to set sail

gostsamo

I'm likely a minority, but Cricket is boring for me and won't miss her when her plot utility is over. The local arc is practically done and beyond establishing contacts with the local rebels for the sake of the future demon princess's army, there is a blast in the noble district to be done and Rosario can go. Rosario as a mentor, secret avenger, and guardian maid of her charge sounds much more fun. I can imagine some interesting scenes with a maid in an academy setting or being forced to look after a group of noble brats during a wilderness expedition.

Polyist's Apostle

Should she go back for a souvenir to give the granddaughter?

gostsamo

beyond being horny, she lacks presence so far. She was a necessary tutorial guide and since then is just impressed by the mc. No drive, no story, no disruption.

Cha0sniper

Took on 2 Titled in a 2v1 fight while heavily and obviously sandbagging too lmao

Ivy

LONG LIVE THE DEMON LADY!!!

Ivy

Oh what happened to the rebels? And our good bug! I imagine she’ll get quite the exp bump if she manages to make our made laugh.

Widget

Crisario? Rosaket? Laughing Maid?

Exonator

Maybe add something to her personality a little, she reminds me strongly of the Electric sewer rat from savescumming, horny kinda comedic relief with no other personality traits.....at least the sewer rat have a wifu obsession....

Exonator

Her design is super cool and unique. The personality though.....horny lesbian number C in the Raven universe....

BWH

Yep, the summoning bell of course. 🔔

tr13ze

Thanks for the chapter😁

gostsamo

I lack the fascination with lesbians that seems to be rather popular around. Noone's sexual orientation should be a substitute for personality no matter gender or orientation. I had hopes for Cricket when she was shown as a pain in the neck in the village, but there is nothing to her after that. Theoretically, she might do something spectacular and stupid in the city, flee with R to the academy, befriend the princess, become demonic clown in the court of hell, roast the established social order; however she is not shown to have the necessary inner fire to do something like that.

BWH

"We're getting the band back together!" 🎉😎 Rosie only needs to gather 3 or 4 more Great Generals. 🫡 Or their kids, since I think the original Generals are dead. 🤔

Dane Stobbe

*respectful clapping* Long live the Demon Lady! I suppose since she's made an appearance with her title to two other titled, Rosario could get away with an appearance at the bank. They already know "The Faithful Maid" is in the city, so can't really expose herself more. It would be funny if one of them saw her name as Cinderella Dumps. What next... Gotta get to Eleanor, maybe get escorted to that city by a certain Bug. Maybe a certain Rat wants to tag along to escape the heat of the failed resistance ambush. I imagine Eleanor doesn't necessarily need a body guard as much as she needs friends her age. Rosario might be be able to do the "hello fellow students" ruse, but it'd be funny a heck to get Cricket and Ratgirl enrolled. Maybe play into the 'Arch' of Archmaid by having Rosario get hired to teach magic, or swordfighting, or both. Just to let her watch over Eleanor, of course! Excited to see what happens next!

astralFitz

Something tells me that rebel scuffle may get a bit distracted. Not to mention whatever shenanigans Cricket is up to right now xD

Exonator

Agreed. I liked her at first, because she was a stubborn troublemaker, but she has kind of petered out and is just the yes girl and guide to our maid now.... No real personality anymore

Bad Dog

lol, called it. 🤣

Bad Dog

The real question is would the powers that be really spend the absolutely massive amounts of resources required to, not only track her, but put together a team of titled willing to risk their lives against someone that is not actually doing anything. Think about it, for a government to spend such massive amounts of time, money, and energy there has to be some seriously overwhelming reason. We are not talking about sending a couple of cops to arrest a vandal. We are talking about someone that just demonstrated that she is capable of destroying an entire city if pushed. I think the logical thing for them to do is to investigate where she is and what she is doing. If they find that she is only being a maid for some girl they will leave her alone. Please remember that out of all the demon generals she was the only one that never committed any atrocities. She only defended.

steamrick

'Not doing anything' is quite a stretch to say after she infiltrated and destroyed the prison holding the demon king.

Exonator

You forget one extremely important thing, a Noble's Pride. She basically punched them in the face, and took away a valuable resource from them and the kingdom at large. Also doing such things with zero consequences sends a really bad example to the would be rebels, as that means they can do whatever they want without repocautions as well. They need to do something , is it ill advised? Yes. Will they benefit from it in any which way, No. Will they dew it! Anyway? Probably.

Exonator

All we know about the bell is that one of the guards had it. .One it made it out of the castle....or you know, just melted into useless slag

Exonator

My only problem with gathering a team before she meets her new Master is that, she needs to find people who would be loyal to someone she has not even met herself. She does not know if she is a brat worth following or to just leave be, or whatever whe would want to get into ruling at all. Would you follow someone whom you had no idea about or relation to? The only reason Rosario does it, is because she is insane and to keep up her role-playing, so she can avoid an existential crisis. It was also the last order from her dying master, so she kinda needs to dew it, in order to get closure and maybe some answers, and to fulfill her role-playing needs. Getting useful "random" people to follow the demons kings granddaughter with only that info to go on......Meh.... Cricket will go just because Rosario is, because she's horny for those long legs. I'm fully for gathering a new court after she meets the princess, even though it is sort of cliche....

JustSmile

I notice she did NOT, in fact, change her title back to something inconspicuous before teleporting into the middle of the city.

Aldous Russell

Thanks! I think "I can see what can be done" should be "I'll see". I think "The moment held for a moment" could use less "moment".

RavensDagger

You mean on Royal Road? Or on here? On here, the minute I'm done writing. On RR, on Nov 1st!

Afonso Santos

I need my daily dose of maid shenanigans. Been refreshing the page since 8 hours ago

Dragof2

That was fantastic, but I do think we are somewhat reaching critical mass on how much Rosalina is just "going along with" being sent to this world. I definitely don't object to her not trying to get back home, since it sounds like her old life was so awful that there's little reason to (struggling with my own serious medical problems, I can **really** sympathize with that). But coming face to face with the person who likely brought her here should really be causing Rosalina to start to confront just what the heck is going on. Otherwise I think there are going to start being theories of madness or enchantment/mind control.

ts25679

Pov chap's?

John

its easy... just cast group teleport to mistress... and bring all the future harm along safely

Zorgdub

> It’s value is why I was able to summon you. "its value"

JDoop

Review: 0/10 sweeping, 10/10 sad maid noises, 10/10 RIP old goat, 10/10 The king is dead, long live the queen.

Ornery Walrus

I don’t know where this is going but I’m so on the fucking bus.

Edward Ravenbear

I hope it is not too far off. That is what I came to read about.

BlastYoBoots

“Long Live the Demon Lady”… it’s a badass declaration to be sure (and maybe her RP instincts took over), but given her job to protect her new master, hinting at her existence was a little dangerous…

BlastYoBoots

Keep in mind that she’s never committed real murder before. (As far as we know.) Now that this isn’t a game, she’d probably need a serious motivation to be pushed to intentionally end another life— and even these guards were fulfilling a job and following orders, with the Demon Lord himself saying some of them have sympathized with him, and she wouldn’t be able to tell whom or which.