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[DBZ] 156 - 163 Reaction & Thoughts (Patreon)

Published:
2025-03-15 19:53:56
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2026-06
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DISCLAIMER: You are here to watch my reaction/listen to my review and have already seen the original episodes on legal streaming sites like Crunchyroll.

Make sure to support legal streaming sites and buy the manga! (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧

Episode 156-158: Google Drive or Dailymotion or Rumble

Episode 159+160: Google Drive or Dailymotion or Rumble

Episode 161+162: Google Drive or Dailymotion or Rumble

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christian

Primero 🫣❤️

Pokapoka

Thank you for the fun Dbzaturday!! Your reaction to the Goku and Gohan moments made my day <3. Also was fun seeing you rooting for Vegeta lol

AFLO

Love the contrast they show with Goku and Gohan's loving relationship vs Vegeta and Trunks tough Love.

Kautuk Nag

The head canon I have, in terms of why Krillin killed test tube cell vs killing 18, is maybe the difference in empathy for an artifically created being and killing a girl. Cell is basically a lab created "monster" and 18 is , albeit cyborified, an actual human being. Just my head canon to cope with the story, in terms of how in general humans might perceive the difference. Also, just following the same thing of villains/antagonists joining the good guys again and again is not fun either

Delinger

"I'm Super Vegetable" 👍🏻😏 iconic pose of him. Or maybe just a meme at this point, lol.

animaechan

I just wish he gave it more thought. Even before the androids existed (in our timeline) no one except Bulma wanted to stop Gero from building them in the first place. Meaning all the characters gave more thought to it before they even had a shape or form, and decided “no one has done anything wrong yet in this timeline so we’ll just let it be”. But Krillin didn’t hesitate for a second to destroy Cell (who also hadn’t done anything wrong yet) and the rest of the lab with him. It’s not a decision that needed to be made in that second bc he was no immediate threat. Not only did we lose a potential ally, but a lot of potential tech that could’ve been reverse engineered by Bulma (like the remote was) in order to improve society. Just like her father’s (and her) inventions had done up to this point. Her dad even said Gero was brilliant and if only he used his genius for good… but basically what someone in the chat pointed out is that it was all most likely just for convenience. Cell as a character only existed because one of his editors told him the first two androids were old and fat (a letdown). Then the next two were “some young brats”. So Cell was written in and it worked out brilliantly because future cell is an exciting antagonist PLUS it was a twist that he turned out to be more scary than the actual androids who everyone thought would be the main threat. So the Cell of the current timeline became an inconvenient character that Toriyama likely didn’t have time for. He forgot about Launch after all and already have characters like Yamcha and Ciao and Tien that can only get minimal screen time and development. Plus we have Picollo so another tall green alien looking guy would just mess with the balance 🤷‍♀️ So I understand all of that, but his decision to have Krillin rush to kill off an inconvenient character has implications on the story and I just wanted to share my thoughts and feelings on that. It makes Krillin look really bad (to me). Especially in a show about aliens that look all kinds of weird and different 😅 so dehumanising someone for “looking different” is just not a good look to me… the problem could’ve easily been solved if the androids’ rampage caused the cave to collapse and set off a bunch of explosions in the lab that destroyed everything.

animaechan

Of course I should be clear in the above message I am paraphrasing from an interview I read between Toriyama and one of his editors (I read through it at the end of the last video I think). The part about how Cell was not planned and only written in because of some (joking) criticism from a previous editor.

Kautuk Nag

Yeah, I agree. Its good that you are sharing your thoughts, thats why we, atleast I watch your videos. I think I just go along with some head canon I can think of in dbz for certain inconvenient or incongruent story/character things because Toriyama Sensei is more of a lighthearted mangaka and dragon ball wasn't drawn so specifically with logical and thorough details.

animaechan

Yeah I get that, but in it's simplicity it has had a lot of great writing and thought-provoking lessons that apply to real life - this has inspired millions over the whole world. So if something seems off to me or doesn't make sense I don't want to just shut my brain off and brush it under the rug.

tony

the bad choices continue... Krillin just putting all the blame on Vegeta was so funny tho lol

animaechan

thank goodness that part wasn't in the manga phew

Cynthia NSEKE

I totally agree, Bulma's intelligence is so underrated, the Z fighters were lucky that Goku met her in Dragon Ball, otherwise she would be this good person she is in Dragon Ball Z. Before meeting Goku she was a pretty selfish person, so I believe she had the potential to be a great evil scientist like Gero if she wanted to. Here's an interesting "what if "theory on how the Saiyan saga / arc in the beginning of dbz could have turned out if Bulma had joined the Ribbon Army in Dragon Ball (no spoilers in this video , don't worry) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWqHBa6RcYM

Jonathan Solis

Cell absorbing N18 is so traumatic, so hopeless.

tony

It's crazy the anime took those liberties, back then there was no easy access to manga so I had no idea little stuff like that was not actually part of the story... And it's not a big deal but still wish they hadn't added that

Vero chan

Krilin definitely did some controversial things in this arc, but I like when a story is able to make you contemplate about the actions of its characters, if they did the "right" or "wrong" thing in your opinion. Everything is subjective and everyone has his own view and sensitivity, after all, and can offer his own take on things. Personally, I really admire Toriyama for making his characters doing things that we often don't agree with, because it makes his story more complex, and the resulting discussions more interesting and fun. I enjoyed the latest discussions even more than usual precisely for this reason, because I like sharing and hearing about different opinions, it's the best part about a story!

Alex

Blaming Krillin for killing the larval form of Cell is both reasonable and justified, given that Cell had not yet committed any wrongful act. Nonetheless, it is equally untenable—and indeed, arguably hypocritical—not to attribute comparable responsibility to Trunks. Not only did Trunks accompanied Krillin to the laboratory, he also actively assisted in the elimination of Cell and the subsequent destruction of the facility. He had the opportunity to intervene and prevent such action, yet chose to participate. You're obviously not a lawyer, so I won't hold you to a lawyer's standard, but in real life, this type of discrepancy in accountability would raise serious questions regarding your credibility. Holding one person responsible for an act while ignoring the involvement of another who voluntarily assisted in the same act undermines credibility. If a rule or standard applies to one person, it must apply equally to all who share responsibility—otherwise, the standard itself loses legitimacy. When one individual is criticized for an act, while another—who consciously chose to assist in that very act—is exempt from similar reproach, this casts doubt on one's credibility and your judgment is seriously called into question. To criticize Krillin for his role while absolving Trunks—despite their shared actions—creates a clear double standard. Trunks’ decision to participate, rather than oppose or prevent the destruction, directly contributed to the outcome. Failing to scrutinize both individuals equally calls into question the integrity of any judgment rendered in this matter. Inconsistent accountability erodes trust and suggests bias, whether intentional or not.

animaechan

I literally said when it actually happened (go back and watch that video) that trunks is also responsible and the only reason I don’t talk as much about it is bc he’s technically underage and Krillin is supposed to be the adult in the situation.

Alex

Trunks was actually 19 when he and Krillin destroyed the lab, making him an adult, and thus held to the standards of one. Trunks was born in Age 766. He traveled to the future at Age 784 to kill Frieza and warn Goku, which made him 18 at the time of that journey. There has been considerable confusion regarding Trunks' age, so let me clarify the timeline. There are two distinct timelines in this scenario, and in both, Trunks is born in Age 766. In Future Trunks’ timeline, at Age 784, he travels back 20 years to Age 764—the period during which he kills Frieza and warns Goku—meaning he is already 18 at the time of his journey. He then returns to his original timeline at Age 784. In our timeline, beginning at Age 764, the characters spend three years training for the android threat, leading to a three year time skip to Age 767. At first glance, one might expect that if Trunks was 18 in Age 764, he should be around 20 or 21 by Age 767. However, this apparent discrepancy is resolved by the fact that Trunks uses his time machine to return to Age 767, and instead of waiting three full years, he only waits eight months—the necessary time required to recharge his time machine for another trip. Consequently, Trunks being 19 during the Android and Cell saga is consistent with the timeline, despite what a simple arithmetic calculation might suggest. https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Future_Trunks/Biography#:~:text=%2C%20the%20now%2019,Android%2016.

JoanneLorac

Animaechan, your criticism and insight of the characters are something I never really thought abt or hear from others, despite watching these episodes multiple times by myself. Thank you for the exclusive reaction

bossminion-freizeit

hello someone knows where can I can I find the reactions from 164 yo 179 ?