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/446/ The Techno-Fantasy of Perfect Freedom ft. Amber Trotter (Patreon)

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On egg-freezing, 'having it all', and neoliberal liberty.

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We welcome Damage editor and practicing psychologist Amber Trotter on to talk about "Frozen Freedom", Amber's piece on artificial reproductive technology and different kinds of freedom. Alex and George ask her about:

How empowering is female emancipation from biological limitations and compulsions?

Can women now "have it all"?

Do men feel the contradictions of this type of freedom too?

Is a proliferation of individual choice making us all neurotic?

The childhood fantasy of adulthood is of omnipotence – where did it come from?

What is the relationship between commitment, responsibility, collectivity, the individual, and freedom?

Links:

"Frozen Freedom", Amber Trotter – Damage issue #3

/440/ Dear Tradmother, Why Are You Sad? ft. Amber A'Lee Frost

/210/ Reading Club: Psychoanalysis & Spirit of Capitalism

/235/ Reading Club: Freedom – on mortality & freedom

Anti-Social Socialism Club, Dustin Guastella, Damage

Damage issue #3 launch event in NYC: Saturday 23 November, MoMA PS 1 Bookstore

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Doug Hamilton

Maybe you planned this show and the Alex Gourevitch show together. But I found listening to both shows pretty interesting. I also read Gourevitch's paper. Egg freezing is a particular phenomenon only available, practically speaking, to a higher social economic class of people. Gourevitch talks of freedom constrained, and choices constrained by the discipline of the market. By contrast, in this piece, we are talking about a certain set of people, who are less constrained by the discipline of the market and only constrained by their corporal bodies. Studies show that lower social economic people, when they have more money, actually chose more traditional lifestyles of marriage, children, home ownership. That is, denial of basic needs causes a denial of access traditional institutions. The San Francisco couple, on the other hand, reject it out of a choice for "freedom."

Christoph Iselin

I don't understand the framing of ART as neoliberal freedom or "technofix." Is there no ART in socialism? Is the mundane difficulty of couples not knowing and/or agreeing on what they want solved? Also, she says it herself: The majority of women experience it as empowering/liberating. So neoliberalism for the win? A broader point to the illusion of total freedom and the burden of too much choice. I live with the impression, that this point is always broad up regarding options not at all personally important to the speaker himself/herself. It is never extended to questions which are really meaningful to the individual supporting limited choices, no personal downside. Now I am not saying Amber actively believes that, but if you think the arguments through, one could come to the conclusion, that Amber is critical of ART, because it gives women the option to freeze eggs instead of "settling" for less-than-perfect mates. Because if infantile freedom is the illusion of unlimited choice, what's more infantile than the belive in finding the one, the perfect partner in the marketplace of love? Maybe true/mature freedom is making the best out of very unsuitable mates after all? To be even more hyperbolic, maybe true freedom lies in Socialism with Indian characteristics. The economy is run collectively, but the society is structured in a cast system with very limited partner- and occupational choices;-)

Orfhlaith Tiffney

Really enjoyed both this and the ep with Alex Gourevitch.