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/495/ Heritage America vs the World? ft. James Pogue (Patreon)

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2025-06-24 07:00:05
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2025-06-24 15:29:13
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On land conflicts, MAGA , and the frontier.

Journalist James Pogue talks to George and Alex about his book Chosen Country: A Rebellion in the West. The book concerns the events surrounding the 2016 armed occupation of the Oregon Malheur National Wildlife Refuge led by the rancher Ammon Bundy. We discuss:

Why were these 2016 events so important and so telling?

Is the Jacksonian concept of America still relevant?

Does knowing how these people think enable you to predict what Trump – or JD Vance – will do?

How is Mormonism the encapsulation of a certain America?

Is the division on the Right about 'winners' versus 'losers' (or lost-causers)?

Is this story also America First versus Globalists?

How unique is the US's forms of political polarisation?

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Davka Smolah Collective

Oh my God. This makes MAGA sound like a Land Back movement for white, rural Americans. This explains so much!

Karlo

Garrison Keillor was the host of a popular public radio show A Prairie Home Companion. Part of the show featured stories from a fictional Midwest town. APHC fans tended to be wealthier, educated, and proud of their Midwest roots. I’d say they were the rural manifestation of 20th century American liberalism / globalism. An intense love of the local, but with buy in and integration into an idea of American universalism. Their disappearance is a symptom of the breakdown of the 20th consensus.

Richard R

"From the Plantation of Ulster to the skies of Tehran today!" (to the tune of the Marine's Hymn)

Maria

Seems like there is a whole lot of history missed in this account- it jumps from the pre-modern frontier to the present. There is a lot of politics and material change, in addition to class conflict, in the long stretch in between.

Julian Santana

Completely bonkers and at least two anti semitic tropes by the guest with no pushback.

NigelBOpinion

Good ep, I think JP's word choice could have been better (re "Jewish Americans") but didn't take it as anti-Semitic.

Pier Paolo Tamburelli

i never thought “they are just fucking nazi” but this guy might have convinced me they are just fucking nazis. Come on conquer Groenland just to give them something to chew?