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/174/ Social Ungluing ft. Benjamin Fong (Patreon)

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2021-02-02 08:00:02
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2026-06
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On American breakdown.Editor of Damage Magazine, Benjamin Fong, joins us to talk about the lack of shared narratives in contemporary America. We discuss QAnon and conspiracy theories, Biden's authoritarian liberalism, and "pro-worker" conservatives. We also interrogate the use of psychological analyses of politics and reaffirm the value of psychoanalysis, in a preview of a more detailed forthcoming discussion on our patreon.Readings:

The Siren Song of “Pro-Worker” Conservatism, Benjamin Fong & Dustin Guastella, Jacobin

Therapy Without Therapists, Briana Last, Damage

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Davka Smolah Collective

I think there's a bit of motte-and-bailey argument in claiming the working class are "socially liberal". For instance, insofar as the "socially liberal", DSA-approved position on immigration is open borders, the working class does not take that position. The question is why the Left wants to bang on most intensely about precisely those issues where it still disagrees with the working class.

Flike

I'm interested in promoting a discourse around mental health that isn't just advocating for psychologists and therapists and the like. So much of the discourse we see around these issues only amounts to 'seek help'. It would be odd to be trying to develop a critique of the PMC while maintaining that mental health professionals were 'the good ones'.

Bernhard Pirkl

A lot of this was spot on, thanks guys. I wonder what Fong thinks of Mark Fisher regarding mental so-called health.

Paul Brewer

I hate to say this, but it has been 'brewing' for a while and this is as good a moment as any -- but some of the BungaCast commentary on the US is too often framed through a British lens. Britons are far more cynical about the political class, something that I suspect has become permanently fixed by the Expenses Scandal, an under-discussed topic in the BungaCast universe as far as I have listened. The idea of an opportunistic vote strategy here is a non-starter, insofar as Americans still have a lot of faith in the idea that politics is a moral, rather than transactional, struggle. Although Americans tend to regard Congress collectively quite poorly, this is often linked to a higher regard for their specific representatives. It's those bad people in other parts of the country (or state -- there is usually a sharp geographical divide in states) who are the problem. Americans like transactional politics on the QT, but publicly voice their belief in the moral dimension.