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/180/ Bunga Bunga (but Gay) ft. Mark Simpson & River Page (Patreon)

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2021-03-09 07:00:02
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2026-06
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On gay liberation and sexual politics.

After big advances over the past decades, we can now ask, did the gays win? And if so, so what? Mark Simpson in the UK and River Page in Florida join us to discuss whether something was lost in that victory.

We ponder whether gay politics was the original identity politics and what happens when a narrow focus on equality triumphs over liberation. Do sexual liberation politics have any future? Plus: how Blairism was the biggest drag act of all.

Readings:

Anti-Gay, Mark Simpson (Bloomsbury, 1996)

Being Gay in the Thirties (Gay Life), documentary mentioned by Mark

Trading in the Past: Queer London, Mark Simpson

The Standpoint Bureaucracy, River Page, TwinkRev

The Woke Resurrection of a Gay Sex Panic, River Page, TwinkRev

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Daniel L

Loved the potted history of the gay movement. Excellent episode and guests!

Bernhard Pirkl

Fantastic episode, especially great commentary on the "+ in LGBT+" (Žižek) at the end

DTC

Very happy other people are questioning Pete’s sexuality! Great episode

Felicity

Thanks, that was so interesting. Way more interesting than I thought it was going to be!

Neill Martin

This was so refreshing it was almost unbelievable. I’ve felt for a while now that queer politics was bullshit and just for career building and never heard any sentiment like that until now.

Paul Brewer

I enjoyed the quick briefing on Florida politics. River Page lives at the opposite end of the state from me, so the only thing I'd add is that the statewide elections in 2018 showed a much more narrowly balanced state than Trump's 2020 win. Also despite the 'Fight for $15' win, we still have a state legislature dominated by Republicans to an extraordinary degree considering 2018 and the referendum result. I assume some gerrymandering is at work, but that legislative balance is a big reason why a referendum win is no guarantee of an actual $15 per hour minimum wage, as we saw with the felons' voting rights amendment in 2018.