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/272/ As Late As Necessary ft. Alex Gourevitch (Patreon)

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2022-07-05 14:20:14
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On abortion.

After the US Supreme Court ruling, where does this leave women in the US? Political theorist Alex Gourevitch joins us to discuss Roe v Wade, and how the fact it rooted abortion in a right to privacy was problematic.How can we ground the right to abortion in an argument for freedom in general? And is the US really faced with a rising tide of reaction, as liberals claim? Are same-sex marriage and contraception imperilled by the decision?

Reading:

Wrong Life and Abortion, Ethan Linehan, Sublation

The Left killed the pro-choice coalition, Kat Rosenfield, Unherd

A Defence of Abortion, Judith Jarvis Johnson  

How to Win the Abortion Argument, Helen Lewis, The Atlantic

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Davka Smolah Collective

Ah, finally, the spicy "constitutionalizing choice via the judiciary was post-politics" take.

Joan Guenther

finally a discussion on this political social and private disaster worth listening to ... very very helpful thanks fellas ...

Carson H

This was a really strong episode. The US politics of abortion have come to crystallize so much of what defines the impasse of post-post-historical conflict, and this discussion does a nice job of teasing out many of its aspects, from progressive liberalism's abandonment of majoritarian democracy to its intellectually vacuous and politically disabling views on sexual difference (or the supposed lack thereof) and COVID vaccination mandates. Let us hope that socialists can seize on the utter failure and incoherence of this project to make a case for something better: a politics of freedom, solidarity, and human dignity.

Blake

The more I hear about supreme courts throughout the world, the more I become convinced that Montesquieu was wrong.

S W

To flesh out Alex's comments on anti-abortion Democrats—yes, their numbers are small, but they are hardly marginal to the party. One of them, Tim Kaine, is a sitting US Senator and was Hillary Clinton's running mate in 2016. Had she won, an anti-abortion Democrat would have been Vice President and hence decently positioned to be president himself one day, or at least the party's presidential candidate. Kaine says that he supports the Roe ruling and is anti-abortion only on a personal level, but this is hardly a fulsome assertion of abortion rights. Alex also mentioned Representative Henry Cuellar, another anti-abortion Democrat. He didn't mention that Cuellar had just barely won a Democratic primary challenge against a pro-choice challenger, Jessica Cisneros. This election took place after the leak but before the actual Dobbs decision was issued, so the party really had an opportunity to show how vigorously they cared about the right to abortion. Cuellar likely would have lost had the Democratic Party power brokers not poured their efforts into beating back his opponent. Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic Speaker of the House of Representatives even recorded a campaign voice message that went out to voters on Cuellar's behalf. All of this is to say, there is indeed room for anti-abortion politicians in the Democratic Party, and the party will even prefer them over pro-choice candidates in certain instances.

Roberta

Alex G., who I know is very smart, and whose previous appearances on ABB have been great, makes a major factual error at the beginning of his talk. He says the Roe court recognized the end of the first trimester of pregnancy as the point of fetal viability. Wrong! The Court recognized the end of the _second_ trimester as the point of viability. The difference between first and second trimester in that decision was that first trimester women gained the right to get abortions with the approval of their doctors and without state regulation, whereas in the second trimester, the state could regulate abortions in ways to protect the mother's health. (Examples could be various safety protocols for clinics and licensing requirements for practitioners.)