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/379/ Sexy Pictures of Taylor Swift (Not Brexit) (Patreon)

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2023-12-05 21:33:06
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2023-12-05 21:34:28
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On taking control.

The Netherlands has elected an anti-EU rightist, but he won't take the Netherlands out of the European Union. Britain left the EU, but net migration to the UK has soared to its highest levels. What's going on?

In this special episode, Alex treats Phil and George as interview guests and grills them over their book, Taking Control: Sovereignty and Democracy after Brexit. We discuss:

Why all the fuss for Brexit, when things have ended up the same as they were before?

Why Brexit when the same politicians are still in charge?

Why was no section of society able to lead Brexit with a positive vision of the future?

Did Brexiteers need a more concrete proposal beyond "democracy"?

What lessons can be learned from Brexit by others in the EU?

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Justin O’Connor

A Bismarckian Revolution from above that delivered no new reich or class alliance. Just nothing. I appreciate your support for the potential represented by Brexit but really, this is so naive. Britain ahead of the world? Christ almighty.

Justin O’Connor

I apologise for my Twitterishly intemperate reply. It confirms Phil and George's contention that Brexit was real politics, real stakes, heated emotions. But I was struck by the chasm between the elation of that vote (for those who were in favour) and the reality of where that has left us now. The democratic deficit of the EU was called out by Leave, and this resonated. But there was no plan, other than that concocted by some very right wing actors. More fool the Centre/ Left for allowing them to take that space. But that space was deeply tainted by those who led it. There was no possible way that Farage and Johnson had any workable vision for a post-Brexit UK. And the continuation of austerity, the ripping apart of the body fabric of the UK continues apace.

Justin O’Connor

I follow this podcast avidly, as it brings great insight and I appreciate the open and robust way it holds up ideas to scrutiny. But I do feel that Brexit, as it was conducted, would always be a disaster. The post-Brexit vision had no sense of how the UK would go alone into the world. No new ideas whatsoever. Just Farage and the like posturing about the revival of some older swashbuckling free trade UK. Phil and George might say that Brexit puts sovereignty in the back pocket. Currently not much use but it has been done and, at some future moment, it can be activated to continue the rebuild of UK sovereignty. That is a very long bow.

Kenneth Smith

Revisiting this one, Phil sounds so blinkered and idealistic about Brexit and it’s “achievements” using language he would absolutely scoff at if it was about any other country’s political decisions. I’m remembering how dismissive he was of Chile’s new constitution movement when it failed to be enacted. Terminal UK brain diagnosis I’m afraid :/