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Walking Through Tokyo | Lemonade Stand - Ep. 32 Premium [VIDEO] (Patreon)

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Recorded on: November 11th, 2025

We're here in Dresden Epstein Emails Discussion Takaichi Promises to Defend Taiwan Isn't that Fraud? - Fireflies note taking app If you could instantly get 10,000 hours in a skill...What it takes to learn a language? The importance of where you live Does the internet degrade community? Live Translate Technology Formation of Community

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GLIZZY GLIZZY GLIZZY

Chance Roberson

I think one of the more clear outcomes of the Epstein files being released was HOW MUCH Trumps been lying about the whole thing and how bad and guilty it makes him look

rasambowl

why did they get so silent after talking about how crazy it would be if they were pedophiles themselves

Glidergill

Atrioc is very relatable walking on the side of the road instead of the road

ikioi no Rafa

As someone who has to speak business keigo for my job, the amount of people that call themselves fluent in Japanese despite struggling to say basic sentences is staggering. It's especially bad with all the 'polyglots'

Steven Blankenship

Something that I feel is important with how frustrating and annoying learning a language is; to use language that I think tech folks will understand, there are essentially five ways to be fluent in à language. There is the “input” and the “output”, and both have a visual and an audio counterpart, as well as the “processing”. For “input” you have the visual reading and the audio listening, for “output” you have the visual writing and the audio speaking, and for “processing” you have how you think; are you translating your “target language” into your native language, or are you processing and thinking in your target language. For me, my “target language” is Spanish, particularly the Mexican and Guatemalan dialect. I’m very good at reading, good at speaking, decent with writing, and AWFUL at listening. So there’s a strange mismatch in my skill, on the one hand I can play a Pokemon game entirely in Spanish and not miss a single beat; speak well enough that I can accidentally trick a Mexican immigrants child into thinking that I’m from Mexico; but am so bad at listening that one of my favorite video essayists, Chillimica, is incomprehensible unless I’m locked in and watching her videos with captions on. Now I’m playing on hard mode obviously, Chillimica is from Argentina but speaks the Chilean dialect, which is super fast compared to say Mexican. And I imagine a lot of people have this frustration, where they’re good at one aspect but bad at the others. Anyways sorry for the long comment, glizzy away

Carter Call

Totally relate with Doug on how difficult language learning is. I’ve been learning Korean for a year and a half with a tutor, almost daily study and a lot of input and I’m still terrible at it. It’s a forever learning experience

Jackson

What Aiden is talking about with Melee also happened to Magic: The Gathering due to their online client MTG Arena. It was a combination of that plus Covid that turned these in person communities online and just like working from home some people couldn't go back to in person things. When I do play Magic in person it is no longer those Friday events that I paid $7.50 for to play my $200 deck against someone else's $200 deck that only lasts a year before having to replace $150 worth of cards. Instead I rank up a ladder online and play Commander casually with my friends (with a $500 deck) in person.

Oswaldo Gonzalez

I'm sure Big A can relate, but being a military kid growing up, the idea that a neighborhood wouldn't have people around my age is wild. That is the #1 guaranteed thing living on base is that it's people that are the same as u that come and go id imagine its tough to want to have kids in an area where the community is going to be pushing 50

Wilde

I liked the walking format, I think around a table is better in general but a walking ep every once in a while is cool.

Arne

Next to Dougs stiff- and wearyness Atrioc and Aiden appear even more goofy, which makes this hilarious to watch. Enjoyed it!

Mikel

Holy shit this is literally friends on a walk simulator

Wyatt Wilson

90% of 75% at a 10% increase is convincing

Philippe Bekkers

I couldn't help but notice that Atrioc is just a finance bro. He doesn't give a damn about these pretty trees or city. He just looks at the ground and it makes me laugh because you see Doug and Aiden both look around while the others talk, but Atrioc just reconizes the US concrete. It must make him feel safe.

imaMaze9

Maybe a lapel microphone for atrioc was the answer all along

Philippe Bekkers

Actually what atrioc says is so strue. You don't live in an area with other young couples anymore. It's indeed a lot of older people. Which is sad, because my entire neighbourhood got built and they gave preference to families with children younger than 5. My entire neighbourhood grew up around the same age there. We all became friends with a lot of people and the whole neighbourhood was amazing. I couldn't have asked for a better place to grow up in.

thepowers

Re: comparing California and Japan, I’ve had almost the same exact conversation with my friends when we went to Tokyo hahaha

Joseph

This was a great episode.

Dennis Townz

ngl "shinda Abe" make me laugh way too hard

YT Smore

You guys should do an episode walking around in Sweden and LA to compare

dinlaslamark

why is doug so dad core in this

Lahlum

Great ep!

charles young

White Boy SHOCKS Bald Japanese Man With His PERFECT Chinese

Marc

I think what Aiden was getting at was intuition vs. understanding. And language is definitely more intuition based compared to something like physics which would be more understanding based. You can't just sit down and explain a language a language to someone the same way you can't just cram 1000 hours into relativity and expect to understand it. Obviously, there is nuance and all things require some of both. But I definitely think language is in a unique position where it's literally designed around that intuitive part of our brain. (so much so, you could argue it's the other way around).

charles young

I think Aiden has a really good point on the nuance and tone is lost when translating something through an LLM or translation device. I live and work abroad and it's really difficult to translate your tone and intent and also to understand the tone and intent of others. For example, You're senior is venting about the head of the department at a small work dinner. If you just take the translation at face value, you might think that he hates the guy and that there is major beef going on and the head of the department is a moron. But, what if he's just joshing? What if it's not serious at all and he's just poking fun? Like imagine translating Atrioc clips into another language. Even us english speakers sometimes have trouble figuring out if he's being sarcastic or not. The difficulty of a foreigner to understand whether or not Atrioc means what he's saying is nigh impossible.

JustSpirit

This episode felt like one of the conversations you and the boys would have before saying "We should start a podcast!" Very possibly my favorite episode though with how down-to-earth and genuine it felt.

M C

I loved Big A's point about how traveling just makes you be like "why can't this be at home." I think about that a lot living in Los Angeles now after living all over the world. Much like him I love the great food of literally any cuisine BUT I hate that this city is so fragmented that it is a pain to get around. Our subway/train in the metro definitely leaves things to be desired but I would argue the greatest weakness of it is that it just doesn't go everywhere. If you have a location along the line, then a lot of the day you will actually get to locations faster than driving. LA could have been so great but instead they decided to use zoning for discrimination.

borosorod

The sooner you use Anki the better

Yev

really liked this ep and the raw filming!!! the movement throughout the whole conversation in the begining really brought in dynamics to the convo and kept me hooked to keep listening! or maybe its just a short attention span of mine... lol even if j spaced out a bit from the convo, there was somewhere to look at like the background and the city, super fun thanks!

Ben B

You guys should do this same thing but in a waymo on the 405

Bird

Aiden今天看起来很像中国人。

jakeryan726

Incredible episode! It felt like the walking format made for a more personal vibe that worked great with the less structured conversation that Patreon episodes usually have. Would love to see another walking episode in the future!

Tempest Liu

Omg, I actually understand Aiden’s Chinese. It’s not that bad! 我们是朋友😂😂

Appollochan

In regards to the language difficulty I think the method of learning really effects the uptake of the language. I started learning Chinese about 10 years ago when I moved there for a bit. and i learned a good amount the first 10 months through sheer brute force, maybe to a late beginner level but my listening was terrible. Plus once I left china I stayed at the same level for years dispite my effort. In the last 3 mobths or so however, I started using a more comprehensible input kind of approach, mostly reading/listening really short stories often multiple time over a few days and it's worked wonders. I can feel the improvement in my brain it's wild. I feel like another year of this method and I'll be able to handle myself in China no problem.

Savanna Spazak

Thought it was really messed up when they kicked that deer.

FoxHunt

Yes! I think they really only need the instacam360 on the pole to get a better viewer experience. And then the editor has the chance to add POV shots

Beverages🥛

imo with language, a lot of it is due to the feedback loop. When comparing with fighting games, we have a feedback loop of success or failure in each round. the positive feedback with actually learning language is very vague and random most times. That is unless youre actively immersed in the language, like buying groceries daily, talking with strangers who speak, etc. maybe im wrong a bit, but good and constant feedback always seems to improve learning success

Eddie Baaklini

I heard doug was giving the deer hamburgers to make them more American

FoxHunt

Replying to myself to add, put the pole in Perry's backpack and you'll have a 360 view at nearly eye level without him needing to walk backwards lol

Evan

doug was popping off this vid with the deadpan humour

Ashton

Shout out to Perry for the great camera work. Walking backwards just for us

David Harper

Very fun episode, love the video aspect of it, you guys should definitely try it in LA next!

Peter

just three awesome white guys with pelvic tilts walking around japan

SaacAttaac

Something I don’t see in the discussion of how other countries get things done is how power is distributed. The Tokyo metro area is like a third of the nation’s population. Of course it’s easier to cater to the city’s needs when it’s so concentrated. Meanwhile in the US we can’t get things done for our cities bc we’re beholden to fucking Iowa due to the electoral college and how primaries work. Of course, other European nations don’t have that concentration of power, but they also have governments that are more unitary than federal. And for China the central government similarly holds more concentrated power

Conner Paul

Learning a language is hard because you have to memorize thousands of words from that language and understand the overall sentence structure. That already is an insane amount of knowledge but then to put it into practice you need to be able to quickly understand what others are saying, pull out the words you've memorized, string it together to make a coherent sentence and then say it with the correct tone of voice, all that feels impossible to nail down.

Yev

regarding the language talk: non native english speaker here and DUDE you guys talked about slang but man what killed me the most when I was just getting used to the way people talk is fuckign abbreviations EVERYWHERE especially in studying. having studied in universities of my home country and US, I was absolutely shocked how much teachers and methodologies love to use abbreviations for EVERYTHING to make things "easier" for students to remember. its insane lol the fact that in english everything is aimed at making the word shorter drew me nuts before, even the way people named themselves by shortening their names to a single or 2-3 letters lol why it made me go crazy? because not only do you struggle sometimes with accents/slang/fast speech as a non native speaker, but then someone starts hitting you with two-three abbreviations in the sentence on top of that and you have to recognize it immediately for not actually being a word, remember your alphabet, organize it in your brain and then give it meaning like fuck that lol xD #rant

Marvin Krug

I believe language is that much more difficult because for it to be useful to you, you will need to reach very close to the skills ceiling already, in competitive sports or games you just need the basics and enough skill to beat your opponent, which most often is not even close to the top level.

Yev

side note, Dresden, Santa monica Crepes and the dog wearing a british flag costume in the background were hilarious

AGLamarche

Atrioc being out of breath while talking at the end of the show was kinda funny 🤣

FlockOfDeagles

Couch in the street on fire is a WVU thing. Cmon now. That’s far from Morgantown.

Wormlover32

Aiden is right, different languages have different syntax and word order. It will literally never be a live translation no matter how good it is. It will only ever be like facetiming someone, which would be kinda weird irl

hectic

All of atriocs talking points get copied word for word in my college assignments, so thanks!

Matt Bettwy

It makes it extra hard that Doug is an English speaker learning Japanese, there’s a really big separation between those languages. Other languages (the Romance languages specifically) that share an alphabet and sorta overlap words with English are a lot easier to learn. 4 years of Spanish in school was all it took for me to be comfortable in full coherent conversations, but the similarities to English made the friction of learning so much lower. For example in Spanish, “water” is “agua”. Not only is it easy to remember that it’s basically the same root ‘aqua’ I already know in English, but I can intuitively spell and read it with my familiar alphabet. A whole new alphabet with less root sharing like Japanese is a much taller order

Allan

Aiden could use a couple of hours of basketball practice after his performance a while back 😶

PixelCat

Regarding the Language bit. I'm from germany and I was terrible at english in school. Bad grades, understanding, pronounciation etc. (Even after regularly studying for 8+ Years) Only once i was deeply drenched in englisch culture via the internet and after regular classes with a nativ speaker during my first year at work my fluency got really good. Hearing the language constantly and being forced to use it (by conversing with native speakers) is imo the only way to actually get good.

ceboww

Crazy how far men will walk to avoid the 500 yen entrance fee for Shinjuku park.

Rado

10000 hours? Australian accent

Alex Thompson

I really like this video, just being so laid back

Seit2663

This was a really good ep they should do one of these in North Korea

Vainercomet

Super hard to learn language effectively. Comprehensible input seems to be best with something like 10% of the input being new stuff you can acquire via context like most people do when encountering new words. I don't think most people diversify their studying enough though and then don't put in enough listening and conversation practice since it's the hardest most humiliating part to do. I see so many people who can read, write, and talk, but can't comprehend speech of their target language. Fun fact though according to FSI it should generally take Doug 4x as long to hit general proficiency in Japanese as it would take Aiden with swedish.

Claiming Light

I'd say the difference between skills like playing basketball and mastering a language isn't necessarily the lack of depth in the skill, but the limitations of small gains. Each step on the road to basketball mastery gives you a new skill or quirk that can be applied immediately. But for language, the small gains often lack direct utility. That, I think, is also why language learning is so difficult-- there aren't a lot of mid-milestone rewards on the road to fluency. Also, to add to this: learning a second language is, for me, the hardest thing I can think to learn. Harder than rocket science, for sure. I think in English-- my psyche, my conscience, the 'person' I ask inside my head when I'm thinking-- that person speaks English. In that sense, a foreign language will always be foreign. Basketball uses the limbs I already use. True fluency in another tongue would require a rewrite of my internal software.

FrogTroj

Piano nerd rant: If the skill 10,000 hour shortcut becomes available, don't waste it on piano. It feels totally unobtainable at first but once you learn the fundamentals and get the muscle feel for it, learning becomes much faster. 10,000 hours could have you doing solo concerts but it's way more likely you'd be playing small gigs at bars and doing by the book piano lessons. That's fine IRL because people commit to it out of passion, but if you lack the passion to commit to learning it, the 10,000 hour skip would be a massive waste. Go for immortality instead.

Gdi jff

Aiden converting children to seek hyperborea is my new favorite bit

Matthias Conroy

Aiden rocking that St. John Henry Newman swag.

allither

Good to know if im ever asked this question i shouldnt pick paino and instead should say immortality, which is obviously the other answer

Shyguy

This was such a great idea. I found the very human thing of just walking to a place while they same podcast vibes I'm used to still shining through.

Mossatron

i really enjoyed this ep, felt like raw old youtube. would be nice to see some shoot the shit content like this every now and then. keep up the good stuff lads