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2.5 Kids | Lemonade Stand - Ep. 040 Premium [AUDIO] (Patreon)

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2026-01-27 00:00:10
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Recorded on January 20th, 2026

TOPICS

New Style of Dating App

Birthrates vs. Affordability

Replacing Kids with AI

Apple and Google join forces?

Apple's Products and Market

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Jacob Johnson

I'm 100% on Aiden's side, having a greater base of automation for most goods would automatically make affordability better through lower prices & political demand of some sort of UBI(or a dystopia, roll the dice). Solving the birthrate issue is multi faceted whereas solving the labor loss is one or two issues. It seems more efficient to solve for fewer problems, especially because the world is almost certainly going to trend in that direction anyways.

Thomas Elley

Re: Gen Z and phone calls I appreciate Doug’s hesitancy to generalize here. I’m gen Z and I feel like phone calls aren’t, like, a big deal. Of course I only have my limited perspective here but if I just want a quick chat I’ll call one of my friends and nobody thinks it’s weird. For me the big change was with Covid. I was still in (online) school, so the only way I could contact people was with a phone call. With that, I’m including calls on other platforms like discord, Instagram, messenger, snap, etc. If we’re trying to go somewhere and need to call ahead to get details, someone will just do it. I would be surprised if someone my age was vehemently against calling. At most we’ll hesitate slightly more than millennials before making the call. The statistic was like “most of gen z thinks texts are better than calls.” I mean, yeah? That feels obvious to me. It depends on the context but texting is more convenient because you don’t have to be online at the same time and you can reread your message. Most of the time my biggest barrier to calling someone is that one of us can’t make noise due to roommates, parents, coworkers, loud environment, etc. If I have to call someone I don’t know, that can be nerve-wracking, especially back when I was in high school, but I think most people I know have grown out of that. It’s just a thing of exposure therapy. It mostly stopped affecting me when I had to regularly call people for my job. The nerves are pretty similar to when I have a job interview, which I can’t imagine is just a gen z thing. It’s the feeling that someone on the other end of the line might be judging you. Since phone calls are less necessary in today’s world, it does sometimes feel like more of a big deal. I know I kind of rambled in this response, but basically I think people do get nervous for phone calls, but “Gen Z is incapable of making phone calls” is something I hear all the time that’s completely overblown and honestly a bit offensive.

jay gaboriault

around 21 minutes sounded like aiden was gonna go on a nick fuentes route for a second 😭😭

Callum McNeill

Exactly this! Gen Z is over generalised so much.

Zachary Cauchi

RE: Doug’s what is Apple doing question I’m totally guessing here, but investing in AI is reallly expensive now, and you have to keep buying in or your AI model is out of date and superceded by an open source Chinese model in 6 months. I think Apple may be betting that 1) the AI market is too frothy and expensive and will be cheaper in the future to buy in And 2) it’s possible in the future, owning the very best leading foundational model won’t have that much of an advantage compared to the second or third best, and it’s not worth it to ever keep up, and simply focus on costs/efficiency

Steven Dessers

The reason you need kids is to pay for social security an clean you shit when you are old. The way to solve it is economics. And they way they will solve it is war.

Leonardo Citelly

I would suggest maybe having an interview with dr. K for the reason of 6:30 dating app and the reason why men have a harder time doing these things.

AndrewVT

Yall are arguing like it has to be one or the other when it comes to the birthrste problem. When it could just be both reasons at once.

Keegan McDermott

I am telling you, there is phone call dread. Like every person I know

Mitchell

It does also have to do with seeing other people living life differently. Similar to dating, as dating pools have expanded and the prettiest girl in your town is now a 6/10 on the national scale. Similarly the happy family who was the ideal now looks sad in comparison to the world traveller who has experienced 1,000 lives. The person who left their town to become the Hollywood star was 1/1,000 but now it's 1/10 with tiktok.

Mitchell

Nobody wants to have a kid and be a bad, absent parent, or a parent who's stressed out all the time. If we're going to have kids, I think most people want to have enough time to spend meaningful, healthy time with their kids, just like all of you seem to want the same.

Gorbort

"People should be able to have as many kids as they want" I think is the biggest thing as atrioc said I'd LIKE to have 2 kids but I can afford 0... So seems to me like affordability is 99.9% of the problem

B. LUCA

I do not think affordability is the primary issue in birth rates, their is a negative correlation between gdp per capita and birth rates, in countries with wealth and prosperity there is a lower birth rate and in poorer countries there is a higher birth rate,

Nick Wood

Not to make a value judgement, but I spent most of my life being told that population explosion was going to kill us, and in the last ten years it hard-pivoted into, “population collapse is going to kill us”

Saif Bakhat

That would be a good episode

Saif Bakhat

I mean, didn't deepseek probe Ur 2nd point kinda? They can train their own ai using urs

Benjamin Zeien

It could have been a problem but governments found ways to reduce birthrates

Dakota

I think alot of people are just lying or saying what they believe is the socially correct answer about how many children they want. Im Not saying everyone that says “i want to have 2 children” is lying, i think there are alot of people who would like to have children but are unable to due to circumstances. Im saying anecdotally there are people i know with the means to have children who say they would like to have children who just aren’t. And i think some people when asked just answer they would like to have children even if they have no thoughts on it or don’t want them at all.

Aaron Yu

I think Aiden and Atrioc are actually in agreement about why the birth rate is falling. Aiden is saying that women have more autonomy, have careers, and do not want to give up their individuality/lifestyle. Atrioc is saying that the trade off of having kids is giving up your career and a significant portion of your time. Ultimately I think Aiden’s perspective is right though. I think if you asked most women “would you like to be a stay at home mom and your partner would have 100k added to their income” most of them would still answer no. It’s a dramatic lifestyle change, and you’re fully financially dependent on your partner. Women have socially progressed to the point where motherhood is a less attractive option than the alternatives.

Arne Van Maele

I am having issues with this episode, it does not seem to be present in the RSS feed, anyone else experiencing this issue?

Fin

Why can one not exacerbate the other? Increased friction (unaffordable childcare and housing) leading to increased use of supernormal stimuli, that fills the same neurochemical gap. Also the answer is gooning, like fosho.

Tyler Leclerc

I think it makes sense about Apple and google are getting in a contract together. In Googles frame it seems like a great deal stemming from the question of how many people would switch from google to apple if iphones or mac’s had gemini integration? If apple is crushing them google is diversifying their income, I wouldn’t expect their sales to drop super significantly but they are getting the income from apples contract.

Deadpixel

From a evolutionary biology perspective, people had many children because of high child mortality up until the age of 6. When that goes down the number of children also shrinks.

bella Justice-Eck

“the fuck scroll” is such a fumbled joke... imagine “the daily fuck”

Joel Dreezer

I have a Samsung S23 and a 2024 Macbook and am loving it. Haven't felt the need to buy an iphone to be in the ecosystem even though I have had a macbook since 2017. The M series chips are amazing for my usage, music and writing. And if I want to game, I'm lucky enough to afford geforce now which is beast!

Callum McNeill

My grandma keeps telling me a world war wouldnt be too bad because overpopulation would be solved 😭

Mia Christensen

I genuinely think Aimen is correct on his birthrate take, but he also said that I was alone and afraid of phones so for that reason I'm out sharks

This

Hi guys ... not sure if you will see this. I had a question. With all this chaos and misinformation, I wondered what and where you go for your “sources of truth”? I ask because the anxiety of seeing my favorite news pubs coerced or worse, owned and manipulated and then social media like threads is filled with so much .... just stuff ... and I truly don't trust anything on x ... anyways. I wanted to ask in the off chance you might see this ... Thanks !!!

Dank Void

Phone calls are the worst everyone my age agrees

Ben Cornell

So I actually had a discussion about why birth rates in poor countries are so high in college. It’s a few reasons one of which is lower access to contraceptives and lower education but it’s also because more children is an investment for more workers and because there is a high child mortality that follows the birth rate.

Glen

Something i feel that wasnt touched on much with the birth rate discussion was how recently women have gained the autonomy in question. Atrioc mentioned that America has been developed for a long time, but realistically how long have women had the ability to choose when and how to have kids? We are only a few decades past women being able to get their own bank accounts. Looking at it through that lens makes it line up more in my opinion. Regardless, that was an interesting discussion and i think both of you were making good points