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After the Pete Buttigieg Interview | Lemonade Stand - Ep. 43 Premium [VIDEO] (Patreon)

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Recorded on: February 10th, 2026TOPICS

0:00 - After interview discussion

5:43 - Social Security and Wealth Inequality

11:43 - Giving real answers

19:45 - Not going back to the status quo

21:30 - Japan Updates

27:49 - Software stocks plummeting

34:05 - AI Specialist Agents

37:00 - Aiden is getting replaced

40:30 - AI worries

46:45 - Doorman Fallacy

50:03 - What does Utopia look like?

1:00:35 - AI topic becoming big for 2028 elections

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Chance Roberson

Who remembers the cursed “Pete Buttigieg mommy milkers” AI video

FoxHunt

IMHO: Have a core idea that you want to tackle and leave a set amount of time to dig into that. Use the rest of the time to do the interview in the way you handled Pete's. That way you have time to be broad, and time to be nerdy.

Phoenix

a minute in and here's my two cents, in a budgeted time interview situation with guests, I personally think its better if you guys hit a lot of topics rather than trying to hone in on any one specific interview,. Obviously not let the guest walk over without any pushback but hearing opinion on a variety of topics feels more interesting to me personally.

Robert Quinn

I don't give a fuck about that tunnel. Pick your top 3, but focusing down on one topic with limited chances to talk to him is a waste. Something better be huge to last an hour.

The Dork Lord

What Doug says at about 7:40 isn't quite right. The amount you receive in social security is based on how much you earn. This might get addressed in the episode, but I'm just commenting before I forget.

Bailey Yin

I think both styles of interview are good. It seems like it depends on who the guest is. For a politician like him, a more general interview seems better. Deep dive interviews are better for guests that have a more specific resume/job.

Olivier Barbeau

In regards to the question posed near the beginning of this ep, I think the type of discussions should be tailored to the guest being interviewed. For a guest like Pete, who is a politician and has worthwhile opinions on a wide array of topics, I like to hear about more than just one specific topic. I would also enjoy more specific episodes that focus on one topic and really drill down into the details if you were to interview an industry specialist or a political figure known for one specific thing, like Mayor Scott.

Robert Quinn

29:08 Atrioc's delayed reaction is fucking diabolical as it started to dawn on him.

Nico

Thought you hit a good balance. It was good you pushed for more in-the-weeds discussion. I think pols might think your audience won’t want that (or think they can get away with vagueness) because it’s gamer adjacent or something. Buttigieg is somewhat of a heterodox guy - bit radical on democracy reform but rhetorically more moderate on other issues (with some exceptions like sectoral bargaining). I like that he has a specific vision for how to improve the country rather than necessarily just reflecting a particular ideological faction. No idea if it’ll be good for the presidential primary but it appeals to me.

Alex Martinez

Gaytrioc, Gayden, and GayGay yap about GayI. Love the show c:

Rolf

Regarding Social Security [As a whole system, not just the pension fund, as we are in a quite different position from most other contries due to our oil fund] (From a Norwegian here, where we have a good safety net that everyone pays into); There are multiple ways of looking at this issue; but I feel that/it seems the American view is far more self-centered than where we are coming from - (Which makes a lot of sense as you are lacking alot of other (good) governmental support, and you are worried about health insurance/covering medical bills that are sky high.) [Since this is a complex subject, and I don't know the ins and outs of the system fully, I'll split up my thoughts so the proper points at least are relevant) - You are quite right that it needs good guidelines/ some constraints, because it wasn't designed for current times, and that often those who have paid into it, get more than they paid in. However; (And I guess this has a lot to do with cultural differences, and how each generation treated thoase who came after), but when it is well designed, and people pay their fair share of taxes: The fact that some might get more than they paid in; doesn't bother most of us. Even though there are a lot more older people, (Hell, most of my classmates parents are now retiring and will be getting their share back). Becuase through all the other tax systems we have in place, hoarding up the money you set aside and a bit more, simply doesn't affect the most of us. And as long as the tax system is well designed, the balance should be fair. Even if they live to be 100, that most often means they are still at good health as they retire; and thus want to help out with the smaller things, if they can. And in a lot of communities, that's how its always been able to go around. They helped create the good circumstances that we now benefit from (But we still need a lot of revisions to make sure it is a fair system for all. for those who helped build parts of the country, its time for the country to give them a respectful and comfortable retirement. (As it should be for everyone, whether you worked until you were 70 or 30 and something happened)

Jacky

On the interview methods, my two cents is you guys pick the 2-4 topics for sure. But in each topic, research what the guest have already said in other platforms and don’t make them redundantly waste valuable time answering the same thing. Hot Ones’ Sean Evans adjacent style of expanding the conversation.

Chance Roberson

As someone whose job is about 50% editing pdfs with adobe acrobat, adobe needs to step it up. My file crashed and I lost about an hour of work because I tried copying and pasting a text box. They have nice mugs though

darkhell66659

I know it's not really topical to this specific video but there is something I'd like to add to the great powers Atrioc attributed to America a couple videos ago. I think one of the most important powers of America (one that has affected Doug and Atrioc's careers too (not saying it's what made them cause it's not but still)) is the importance of the English language in the world. It's extremely rare to be able to go to a random country and to be able to speak your own language. It's also extremely rare to be able to use one single language to reach so many people. And due to how prominent English is in for instance code, I am not that confident that it can be replaced that easily, but it is an option and it would be a hard blow to America. So yeah. (In hindsight probably should have put this on the discord but I haven't really been on it and I really wanted to get this out there)

darkhell66659

Like for instance language barriers are one of the reasons that Europe has a very hard time truly integrating and behaving more like one single market

WillyThaJawn

That whole Utopia section is a big theme of the Dune series (ANNOUNCE DUNE FOR BOOK CLUB ALREADY)

itreatthepluglikehulkhoganandjuststraightuplietoem

The problem with the, in my opinion flippant, counter of “people will find there own meaning” is that you still need to have the means to support yourself, and the goal of ai is to limit the ways someone can make money. “English Landed Gentry” supported their lives through the exploitation of others, they didn’t work but they still collected wealth. AI execs and ceos don’t want me to collect wealth. they would rather i’m dead.

Philippe Bekkers

To answer Aiden's question about what you do when you finally reach stability and there is no reason to push anymore because the world is your oyster: You become a pedophile Aiden, that's the next step.

WillyThaJawn

THEY TALK ABOUT THE WHALES OF UTOPIA WHEN LITERALLY THATS THE GREAT HOUSES

Philippe Bekkers

It's funny how you guys talk about motivation and depression when there is nothing to pursue, or the challenge isn't there, and nobody mentioned games. Games LITERALLY are built with this in mind. The whole point is to give you arbitrary challenges to overcome that make you feel good.

Filth McGee

This might be an extremely hot take but regarding what Aiden was talking about - I think that humans get fulfillment out of work and I am slightly concerned that AI, even in an ideal situation, will create an environment where people have no purpose. I think of the fat humans in Wall-E as an example. Obviously, people should be well compensated and supported by their jobs and should have jobs they genuinely enjoy doing, but if faced with no reason to work I feel like a lot of people (including myself) will have no reason to do anything and will become very nihilistic or fall into a trap of consuming things like drugs, pornography, or just media. I understand that this would kind of be a champagne problem for the majority of the world but I still wonder if I would have any reason to do anything in life if it wasn’t in service of my self, my family, or my community.

Garrett Mora

Is Owala a video sponsor? It’s in like the perfect spot to be seen by all cameras LMAOAO

Garrett Mora

It’s better placed than the adobe mugs

Eric

Re: Your interview style. Something I felt during this interview was that you guys kinda got star-struck. I’m a huge Pete fan, but it really felt a bit “I agree, I agree, I agree.” I think that you guys should roadmap your interviews but pick like 3 broad topics. The Pete interview should have been: 1) Infrastructure broadly, 2) Issues in the US, 3) What can we do. Each one kinda builds into the next one. Like, starting with infrastructure would have shown that there are key issues with the US. Then you focus in on stuff that is wrong. Then you finally drill into what can be done about these issues. Re: AI taking our jobs. Westlaw (the legal research system) has an AI system tied in that is really really useful. I was able to slash my research time down to like 15% of normal. AI isn't just good at drafting contracts or whatever, it can point you to the right source. Obviously you don't take it at face value and actually read the source, but cutting down everything ever to only a few items is great for research.

M C

I think when it comes to interviewing politicians there is a hard balance - we saw that with the last presidential election cycle. For example: Pete is a big Israel supporter who won’t say Gaza was a genocide. Do you ask him about that? Do you press it? If you don’t ask, is that giving him a pass on that? Do you care? Did you know that about Pete going into the interview or did you not know that? I would honestly prefer that you don’t interview politicians. Too many people who have no business interview politicians keeping doing it and it’s actively eroding our democracy. Pete’s stance on Gaza makes him a non-option for a lot of the base. He couldn’t win. I agree he is super intelligent and understands the nuance of a lot of situations. He was my choice until the Gaza conversation. But that makes it all the sadder that he isn’t willing to say it’s a genocide even though it was legally declared a genocide. And I want politicians to be held accountable and during interviews is one of the times they need to be held to account. If you guys don’t want to hold politicians to account (which is fair), I don’t think you should be interviewing them. It’s how Trump surged. Don’t pull a Flagrant.

Cole hulen

I think when it comes to interviewing politicians, I don’t have any interest in hearing a stump speech. I understand that Pete got into the weeds a bit and I actually liked a lot of what he was saying. BUT, it will never forgive him for falling in line with the DNC in 2020, dropping out and endorsing Joe Biden. Why would I trust him to carry out these ideals when he went against the candidate with similar ideals in 2020. Why does the DNC love Pete? Nancy pelosi was saying something about how much she loved Pete the other day. Why would I trust someone with full backing of the system that has screwed so many people, who historically have not agreed with a lot of what Pete was talking about in your guys interview. I just don’t want to see you guys ask questions that scratch the surface and let them espouse any idea that sounds good to say, without some sort of follow up on how they could be held accountable for enacting those ideas. Whether it’s talking through process of enacting policy, reviewing their voting history, or looking at what they’ve been able to accomplish regarding each topic while in government (or not, it could be at any point in their life) Words are cheap imo.

Zack

At the end, Aiden is describing the company from Wall-e lmao

Rolf

But I guess that is the benefit of having a good capital gain tax + inheritance tax + general wealth tax

Wesley Blashka

I'm seeing an entire spectrum of vibes regarding the political interviewing in these comments than I didn't suspect, so clearly I am just one person shouting into the void, but I thought the interview was perfect. I liked the broad spectrum of topics because it's more likely to touch on at least a couple that a person might place as a higher priority. I also think the tone and level of hard hitting questions is perfect for the vibe of this show. It makes the political interview actually palatable to watch for a much wider audience who will click out of several other styles while still being informative anf worthwhile.

Zack

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/02/11/are-baby-boomers-wealthier-than-previous-generations-of-older-adults/ Some numbers to shine a light on how much wealth the baby boomer generation has in the US. It's less that Social Security is built wrong, and more that the generation mainly benefiting from it are the richest among us. By default, the youth are poorer than the old, if the youth are paying more and the old are taking more out, it is just fundamentally different. the US does not have paid parental leave, and it just lacks overall in support for parents. They've taken away pension plans and have given us 401(k)'s which mean that the average person saves less for retirement. Unfortunately, in America, the baby boomer generation gained political power and systematically made life better for them and worse for each consecutive generation whenever they had the chance to make a tradeoff. It sounds silly, or even an exaggeration but the baby boomer generation in America quite literally pulled the rungs up from below them as the climbed the political ladder.

Rolf

I really appreciate your reply, thank you. And also thank you for giving me the proper context for the issue at hand alongside some great details

Mitch

I’m not sure that Gaza is still going to be a hot-button issue for presidential candidates by 2028 unless it starts back up again. Almost nobody was voting based on Israel-Palestine in 2016 or 2020 even though it has always been a conflict. 2024 was unique in that the conflict was at its most intense point in years during that election.

M C

Well considering the starvation campaign still is active and the US government is supposedly going to be in charge of Gaza - I’m going to disagree. People aren’t talking about it anymore but we are also in the middle of our own starvation campaign in Cuba and civilians are getting killed by federal law enforcement. Most of the base has a negative view of what the Israeli government is still currently doing/did. Most of the country (for various reasons) do not want to financially support Israel. Anyone who is riding for Israel has no shot. Kamala lost because people didn’t go to vote for her. If she has Biden numbers, she would have won. Democrats need the left wing of their party if they want to win longterm. Trump is a product of corporate democrats. If you aren’t willing to a genocide, a genocide, you are a coward. If you stand on principles then you would state it with your full chest.

Rawd

I appreciate the commentary y'all provided in this episode around issues you had with his answers - however, in the original interview there wasnt much pushback to points he made that you 3 disagreed with and let pass by uncontested. I don't mean to say it should be a combative interview by any means, but functionally the original upload comes across as more of a puff piece than a discussion, which is what I would prefer. Or at the very least upload a breakdown like the beginning of this ep to youtube as well to provide yalls opinions. As some below comments addressed there's also elephants in the room with Pete such as Gaza that were unmentioned. Its understandable given yalls focus on tech & economics - I like the ambition to have high profile political guests on the show, but would urge caution as the interview style felt geared towards the usual subject matter experts you have on, instead of someone running for office.

Kerrin Grosvenor

FWIW, re interview approaches, I’d prefer to hear a set of opinions and answers from the guest that I won’t hear in every other interview I listen to them do. I think that’s why Brandon’s original 1:1 with GN struck a chord, because it had him discussing topics that weren’t his normal responses. So my opinion: whatever you can do to get them to discuss things that matter that you won’t hear in their other interviews I’m here for, be that going wide or going deep

Kerrin Grosvenor

Re social security, Australia splits it up in a way that strikes a decent balance I think (structurally, if not necessarily with the right $$ numbers). 1. Superannuation: all workers have ~11% contributed to their superannuation fund on top of their pay through their whole working life (like an enforced 401k, kinda). This accrues interest. They can then access this at retirement age. This to a large part softens the impact of needing to financially support the aged population. There is a decent argument that the more financially minded individuals could use the money better earlier in their lives, but frankly as one of those I’m happy to take the hit to ensure the wider society has enforced savings. All contributions are taxed at a much lower rate when they’re paid in, and not taxed when they’re taken out (simplified). 2. Aged pension: this is the social safety net for aged people who don’t have any/enough superannuation to support them in their old age. Eligibility is a combination of age and means tested. The theory is no one gets left behind. This approach combines the “you pay in and get paid back out” element of the US approach, but capped at your own contributions, with a safety net. Not perfect, but I think more sensible than the US approach

Jd

So I had two thoughts on this episode. First, I definitely think Pete could give more comprehensive policy answers if you pushed him on it. His education in policy plus his time in public office to mee signals he has the knowledge and ability to provide concrete examples easily. And then secondly, on the AI half of the show. I think there’s a massive overestimation of AI improvement and financial stability. Post-training of models hasn’t seen substantial improvements, which you can see with ChatGPT going from 4 to 5 and the subsequent 5 models. What evidence is there that AI is going to massive improvements by leaps and bounds from here? More data isn’t improving it, and we’ve seen what a year of post-training does, so what’s the training method that’s going to make this future possible? Which brings me to the financials. How long can they keep burning money? Reporters have been terrible at critically examining AI companies’ stated financials, but people are digging into it. Ed Zitron is a prominent reporter who’s investigated the numbers, and they aren’t showing that AI is remotely close to profitability. If anything VC can’t put more money into AI companies and hyper scalers are building stuff they’ve never built before with money they may or may be receiving from AI companies who or may or may not have the money.

Garrett Mora

Just poking fun at the representative from the country that cheated in curling

Anthony Tarantola

Loved the interview with the time you had. I don't think Pete is off with his social security take though. This idea that it's just a wealth transfer to already rich boomers is something that I think needs to be explored a lot more in depth. There are a ton of things that can shore up the SS before any kind of means testing. Not to mention the mess politically, I just think it needs to be approached from the funding side, not the distribution side.

Fergus Schofield

Regarding Aidan's utopia question, I'd recommend another Rutgar Bregman book "Utopia for Realists". It explains the application of things like UBI and shorter work weeks, along with jobs necessary for society to continue. It uses real world examples of smaller scale experiments. Another good read after Humankind.

Lamchikabambam

If Aiden is worried about suffering being eliminated by AI/automation, then the only logical solution is government-mandated League of Legends.

Angelis

"We need suffering" might be the most privileged thing that has ever been set on this show and that's saying something. I'm sure you've struggled man but you didn't struggle for very long.

Ultra Lord

Yeah exactly. I think having a frontier, something to overcome, to conquer is built into us biologically and I think ignoring that leads to depression. While I agree with Atriocs optimism from the example of chess being still played by humans with a passion, I think in part it’s only because Chess is still not a solved game. If ai could find the perfect line in chess and that could’ve learned then I believe that the game would fail. Similarly, I think all alpha (competitive edge) left in the world is slowly being used up through increased information transfer and technological discoveries to the point where the frontier is simply vanishing. Either we create artificial frontiers (games) or explore the galaxy, because I think humans will go crazy if they haven’t got one.

Samuel Strömberg

So on the interview, i think you did a really good job with asking questions so that we got a general view of what he advocates. However, when it comes to more focused conversations, I think the interviewer needs to have a deep base of knowledge in the subject being discussed so that he/she can question and bring more nuance to what the interviewee says to create a more interesting discussion, which, no offense to you, you don't have.

Chad Foo Kilroy

55:30 It was a pretty good subject and conversation . . . honestly though it mostly sounds like Doug and Aiden need hobbies 😅😂 especially around 56:15

Chad Foo Kilroy

I think you need to be a little bit more realistic 😅. While I probably can't convince you to trust one way or the other, I will say If you hate/despise this administration, then the enemy of your enemy is your friend. And in our two party political system, as of now, the only way to get rid of this administration, is to vote for the other one. Would I rather have another choice? Absolutely. But would I rather have (basically) a Biden 2 than a Trump 3? Absolutely yes. And I agree with you last paragraph whole heartedly, let's have the best get to the top and do our part to make sure we weeded out possible fakes/bad candidates. But I'm still closer aligned to Atrioc's thinking of more voting against a possible Trump 3 (and btw I don't actually mean Trump running, but rather a proxy/puppet him and his administration would use via the vast amounts of wealth they gained over this term) than for a specific democrat.

Chad Foo Kilroy

That what I was thinking, he was probably sad, then played CS for 12 hours straight 😂. Unless of course that was his big project he was working hard on 😅😂.

Rohit

Re:zohran - he did talk about rezoning/other housing policy during the campaign, but he has talked about how he knows his campaign is going to be judged on hitting his three promises (freezing the rent, fast and free buses and universal child care.) He also knows that he has to be successful when implementing that policy, so he has to take multiple steps to get there and thats what we’re seeing with the housing reform right now.

Bryan

Id say do a deep dive on one thing, itll get away from talking points and set your interviews apart

masstran

Redistribution of profits of AI - I wonder if you talk only about people in USA? Tools you are talking about are made in US, but the content was taken worldwide, shouldn't theoretically everyone be compensated? Otherwise its the same thing happening now with a few people (Americans vs rest of the word) taking the profits for work based on everyone

theo

You guys crushed this interview! Aimen especially. Im glad you guys didnt talk about what he's done, thats all easy to find and out there. Id love for you guys to pick like 2 or 3 topics to really drill down on. Maybe one that really matters to each of you so youd be in a position to really give guests questions that we would want answered and havent been yet.

Cole hulen

I will admit i am nihilistic when it comes to the two party system. Don't get me wrong, I would likely vote for pete if it came down to him vs trump. My point is exclusively about the platforming of politicians without pushback. Especially when they have a proven track record of being a working force against the ideas they are promoting. I just want my lemon boys to be responsible because they have the potential to actually influence my generation of voters. I think people are being small minded when it comes to potential possibilities for 2028 candidates. No one thought Zohran would make it as far as he did. I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be candidates no one expects that gain traction from doing interviews like this one. If the boys care about issues like they say they do, it will be crucial to hold each politician to account to try and find the leader that can actually make a positive change.

theo

51:30 no dude we're gonna have so many MORE podcasts

pnott

I don't think he's saying you need suffering at a current level, he means a little. He's comparing struggling for "not very long" to not struggling at all.

Appollochan

I do agree with Aiden's take that we kinda need suffering, we need something to work towards for sure, but I also agree with Atrioc that humans tend to create their own sisyphisian rocks to push up the proverbial mountain anyway. When I thankfully met my survival goals I felt empty for a bit, then I strted pursuing music, and I'm pretty happy again.

MizterMind

Give me Massie vs Khanna 2028, those are the only people in Congress we can trust

Cat

My friend works for an apparel company who laid off like 80% of their staff and replaced them with AI then realized AI isn’t good enough to do what they needed and it has been a mess. One of the things it struggled with was integration into existing systems and setting up files correctly. In the fashion industry there is a lot of specificity within a brand that is easy for a designer/developer to learn but wouldn’t be for an AI I don’t think because they work with patterns and I don’t think there is enough data to determine how to do something correctly. It also can’t understand how something is sewn so it can’t draw accurate tech flats and the flats it does draw aren’t easily editable. The brand I work for is part of a cooperation with lots of brands and they are trying to streamline processes so all brand follow the same process but there are SO many little reasons it doesn’t work. Upper management already makes decisions that aren’t physically possible because of little details and have to be stopped. With innovation and product/supply chain evolution I don’t know if there is enough data for an AI to train on. I can get into a lot of specifics but overall I think the corporation as a whole might shove AI down our throats, it’s going to cause a mess, and they’ll hire people back

Lobo

29:12 Brandons completely "im dead inside" 67 is the reason im a tier 2 patron.

Rhett

can’t wait for the maduro episode

Bird

What Doug said around 10:00 about some old people caring about the future generation and acting on that through inheritance is exactly my father. Sure he wants a better society in a nebulous sense, but the issue I've seen him by far the most politically angry about is estate taxes because in his mind the only way to benefit the future generation is through personally amassing wealth and passing it down. There is this narrative especially among boomers but frankly throughout American society that estate taxes are somehow the worst most unethical form of taxation (framed as death tax or double taxation) and I think that needs to change. Most people agree with a gift tax, or an income tax, but somehow if someone acquires money through inheritance we've created the narrative that that money is somehow special and exempt from normal tax burdens despite being basically the least possible earned form of income.

Trenonian

If you haven't already Aiden, you should look into the novel Brave New World. It explores a utopia built around maximizing happiness and minimizing suffering. This short video sums it up well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20YchjrCRLo

Owen

As far as interview style, I think something that could be really interesting and maybe set the show apart is if each host chose one thing to really deep dive on, kind of like the early episodes of the show. (In general I’d love to see some more episodes like that that have a little bit more of a structured/presentation feel to them.) I think what could be interesting is inserted, separately recorded, context presentations. So for example, if Aiden was going to ask Buttigieg about transportation policy, we get a 5-10 minute ‘cutaway’ where Aiden gives context on Buttigieg’s history with transportation and a ‘where it stands now’. I know that adds some work to the hosts but I think the information covered in those would (presumably) be things you’re already researching anyway, and would allow the questions to be way more in depth on those specific topics, without leaving us to catch up outside of the show. Sort of summarizing all of those more generic broad questions that you have to as down to a 5 minute presentation so we can ‘skip’ straight to the meatier questions.

nick

they neeeeed to read/react to edward zitron’s stuff would be great discussion especially for doug!

Dakota Blackstone

Guys I just started watching the yard. I’m not sure this Aiden guy is that smart. Love the episode!

Wesley James

I’m about to graduate in computer science and have already applied to 50 jobs and got nothing. I even work at my schools career and internship center so I’ve been networking with employers at events we run and the outlook is still looking pretty bleak.

strawbebbiepeach

an AI that makes you suffer? lets go ahead and name it AM while we’re at it

Claiming Light

Aiden-- about your worries at 50:00, where you talk about the fear of a future where people don't struggle, let me offer a perspective and see how that hits you. 'Want' is central to sentience. Without it, we'd never have cause to do anything. As a result, the main rising and falling action of any given moment can be graphed as the states between hunger and satiation. Hunger compels us to eat. But the best part of eating isn't filling your stomach and negating your hunger-- it's eating the food. The journey to satiation is where the joy is. Of all the things I do regularly, going grocery shopping isn't my 'favorite', but it absolutely is when I'm at my most peaceful. I just wander the isles, gathering what I need, in no particular hurry. Some people hate doing that because they give in to an anxious hurry. But there is nothing more joyful than being in the process of fixing your problems. Stress and aggravation don't come from the work-- they come from the shit that gets in the way of what you're trying to fix. Like when you're working on something and you're in the zone, then a call comes in. The future won't negate 'want'. 'Want' is central to sentient beings. It'll just change the things we want-- and that's a process that's already been in motion since the beginning of society. In the old American folklore, John Henry wanted to be the best rail spike hammerer and died for it in a competition with a machine. Through the modern lens, John Henry's an idiot who wants stupid things. But that folklore had meaning when it was first written. As for making a mark on the world, that's something we've always relied on other humans to certify. Caesar made a massive empire-- but from a top-view, empires and non-empires are equally nothing. Meaning is made possible by, and certified by, sentience and sentience alone. There isn't an authority grander than ourselves when it comes to deciding whether we're worth remembering *by* ourselves. Standards and tastes will change-- maybe (but not necessarily), the things we make will be worse than what AI can make. But we'll adapt to that future too, if it comes.

Jay Cene

Listening at my data entry job which somehow still exists wooo

Pfish

56:40 MMORPGs are going to go dummy hard. Number go up will replace work

T Money

Just talking about Dukkha my guy, no need to cast aspersions and judgements.

Owen

Aiden - consider reading the Scythe series by Neil Gaiman. It’s a young adult series that sort of asks similar questions about struggle in a pretty enjoyable narrative. The premise is basically ‘we’ve created the perfect AI, it solved death, and controls every part of the world, how does society function now?’ I think it may be in the second book that dives even more into the idea of self actualization and what that means in a post-struggle society. It’s a little ‘childish’ or young I suppose, definitely a kids book, but worth a quick light read for some of the questions and thoughts it raises, imo.

Frans Sjöström

I am Swedish and we have ”Allemansrätten” here but it is more of a social contract than a law for me. We do not bathe at other peoples docks, we do go out tenting in the woods. I can upvote Aidens imigration document

Raven

Time and motion studies exist to properly evaluate the capacity of tasks that doorman fulfills. A single day of Time and motion study gives you a vast understanding of the regular day for that doorman. Part of the issue with AI is these people coming in don't do their due diligence to understand that invisible tasks the role they're trying to replace perform.

Tyler Page

Yes but those needs can be hyper-optimized to be fulfilled by vices, content algorithms, and video games. What we ‘want’ is almost always a byproduct of our physiology and social conditioning. Something I’ve thought about. If you could have everything you ever wanted instantly… that’d be hell on earth, because you see it has no value. Actualization is probably the only way out.

Claiming Light

When I was typing this reply, I went and read the wiki article about the food maker thing Star Trek has -- the replicator (couldn't remember what it was called at first). So I'm reading about the lore of this thing, and the wiki gets into how it's not just a food maker, it makes basically everything. It makes the air on the ship, spare parts, clothes, all the food-- if it's matter, it makes it. Star Trek, in a lot of ways, is a direct examination of the question you're posing. What would people do if they eliminated both material scarcity and extended waiting for resources? Roddenberry seems to think they'd boldly go places-- and that they'd form a unified government around knowledge and experientialism. Even in our modern day, people place a higher value on experiences than humanity has ever had the freedom to do in the past. That's probably a function of our more fundamental wants being handled. The want itself needed to migrate. But let's push the idea further. What if, in addition to the star trek replicator, we start installing brain chips in our heads and downloading the raw experience of lifetimes into our memories? Sort of a post-actualization society. Would that eliminate want? I don't think so. I think we'd either have to find a new outlet, or we'd go mad. There is no permanent satisfaction for us-- because that's not what living is. If I had to guess, in that hypothetical universe where even experiences are free to obtain, we'd probably focus far more on societal grand objectives. The truly new would be a commodity-- seeing or feeling something that hasn't been seen or felt would become a society-level contribution. Working with your hands to make a monument or terraform a world wouldn't be for money, it'd be a much purer version of making a mark and contributing to the future. An odd sort of meeting ground between communalism and individualism-- but not truly either or both. And if that ever became stale? Well-- I think our birth rates would eventually taper off, and we'd slowly exit the stage. Perhaps AGI is going to be the first stone in the path to that future-- but it's a very distant future.

Xiong Ze Loh

Hey, unrelated question but could it be possible to make patreon videos available on youtube as memberships instead? I've encountered several issues with patreon video playback being extremely laggy and buffering all the time.