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The Physical Media Debate | Lemonade Stand - Ep. 64 Premium [VIDEO] (Patreon)

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2026-07-10 22:00:16
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Recorded on July 7th, 2026

0:00 - A referee in a canoe

4:50 - Germany’s Stagnation

6:05 - Is the floor higher?

12:43 - Play Station and Physical Media

23:46 - XBOX is all caps again…

31:30 - Acquisitions and Gaming

37:45 - Confronting Your Boss

45:50 - Friend Slop Trend

49:30 - Aiden yoinks Atrioc’s story

57:12 - Will Live Translation Change Things?

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Appollochan

I dont know if its just me, and I understand the excitement about the auto translation stuff, it is fascinating, but it makes me a bit sad that learning languages will probably be seen as less valuable in the future because of this tech. Maybe it's 'cause I love the process of language learning and it's so good for the brain, I just feel like the convenience is inevitably going to make people dumber in general.

kristopher Guzman

Aiden is my man after all this time, from hating weed to loving Tucker, I can rest well knowing Aiden got me on my right to own what I buy.

The Friendly Plague Doctor

For the grand majority of switch & switch 2 (including 3rd party) games there are no download codes in a box. What people got mad about are game-key cards which are quite different as game-key cards can still be resold and traded but the game has to be downloaded. It has most of the functionality of a physical game just with the risk of it becoming useless if the servers that you download from get shut down or something.

pnott

The real reason people are mad about not having access to physical copies is about preservation. If games are only available through a walled garden online platform, then if the game company chooses to remove your access to it, it instantly becomes lost media. Having physical copies out in the wild means that it is impossible for these games to ever truly be lost. This is not a hypothetical problem, it has already happened to countless games, movies, TV shows, etc throughout history and only through physical copies (and piracy) have these been protected for people to continue enjoying.

Hailey “Beloved” Robeson

Am I crazy, or does Atrioc and Jason Schreier seem to really love hammering home and downplaying the shortcomings of Xbox more than anything else. Prior to this news during the hype, all the way to now when the public response seems to not be as extreme as they want it to be, they just consistently keep wanting to stoke some embers to rile people or downplay bright sides. Probably it’s because they had insider info and are biased towards it, and don’t rlly accept how ppl are responding towards all the info they had and want(ed) it be more special? (Just airing thoughts)

Christian Domingo

One thing that sets apart digital only for PC and console is that there are many digital storefronts even if steam is the biggest. For consoles there is ONE storefront and no competition.

CutNickel

Lemonade Stand more like Lemonade Sitting, at this rate Doug and Aiden are going to be Big Doug and Big Aiden

Lucas

I think I agree. Overall, I still think the amount of net communication benefits will outweigh the minor tension I feel. But there is probably a lot of net benefit in taking the time to learn a language and all it's nuances. When Aiden talks about the Counter Strike lexicon being so specific to CS, something tells me that these situations are more common then we think. French in urban France is probably very different from rural France, which is different from French in Montreal, which is different from French in rural Quebec, etc. I feel like taking the time to both learn a language, and deepening one's understanding of the nuances of said language is lost when you can just place a puck on a table and hear your own language. Auto-translation is probably still a net benefit, but this is a downside I think is significant

wokeler

i also love monopoly storefronts

Basti

I collect a lot of videogames and thought i wanted to chime in. I started collecting at maybe age 12. I wasnt able to afford any new games and consoles, so I went to flea markets to get games for cheap. I got a Gameboy Advance with five games for 18 bucks to play on. I was finally able to play a mario, even if it was a bit older. Even to this day you get incredible deals, that especially benefit the less fortunate. That experience is going to be robbed from future generations, if physical media bites the dust. I also disagree with Doug saying Games are a digital only experience. Is music a digital only experience, because i can just play songs through spotify? Same with Movies and netflix. The physical media, the cover art, browsing through the manual; those are just as big a part of the experience as the game itself for me. Presevation will also be a nightmare in a digital only world. Digital games on a store front are far harder to preserve and buying them post server shutdown is impossible. We‘ve already seen countless games be lost on the digital only WiiWare shop that got shut down. Sharing games becomes impossible too. If this actually goes through, itll in my opinion be the worst thing to ever happen to consumers in gaming history. Prices will go up, games will be lost to time, ownership dies too.

hv085

the translation stuff for sure has great upsides but i cant shake the feeling that actually learning a language gives a much better perspective and understanding of the culture which will pretty much get lost because it will get so convenient to just auto translate

Linus Andersson

You buried the lead on the last story. Happiness in English speaking countries is falling off a cliff. When everything gets translated, everyone in the world will be miserable.

Søren Hother Rasmussen

Standing up to your boss: I think a lot of people suffer from imposter syndrome or in other ways fear that they have missed some important info or understanding of the situation that is required to weigh in on it. I have a friend that is deep in *engineering field* and should be/ act like the expert, but he still fears that the reason a certain solution to a problem hasn't been suggestion in any given meeting, is because all the other people already thought of that and deemed it stupid. I think the fear of looking stupid, misinformed or lacking understanding, is holding back newer people on the job market from speaking their mind. Also, bigger companies tend to segment information, and not having the full picture might elevate the imposter syndrome

Dubai Darryl

8:30 they're doing it in atriocs?!

Jeremiah Seiuli

I feel Aiden's worry about the slopification of gaming as more gaming companies move away from big safe larger games for short term profitable games than can be pumped out in a few months. As it's something that happened to children's cartoons as I feel my generation was the last gen to have significant amount of investment into quality children cartoon show that stay in collective cultural consciousness. The shows were made shorter, simple, and add filled.

Ben LaRose

My cousin-in-law is something like the research lead at Eli Lilly and every time I get to talk to him it gets crazier what and how they are doing research. His insights have cemented in my mind that we are in sci-fi it just doesn't look like it yet.

J LeBrun

This renewed "phase" of the Iran war does seem different. The rhetoric from both parties has changed quite a bit. After the funeral for Khomeini, Iran (if not then the IRGC faction) has taken a public position that they are trying to kill trump as an act of revenge for Khomeini. This seems to actually have trump spooked, as in interviews he does seem kinda rattled and there's credible intelligence of assassination plots against him. He even had to switch out his fancy Quatari gifted Air Force One for a legacy plane because of security concerns. Trump in kind said himself that the ceasefire is over, and that was one talking point he kept pushing regardless of the amounts of violations. This seems to have become less so about the strait of Hormuz and more about a continually growing blood feud between the Khomenis and Trumps. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump's family is at risk because America did kill many members of the Khomenis Family.

that girl

Some bosses say they want honest feedback from their employees and then punish them when it actually happens.

Wessel Groot

Personally enjoy these kind of episodes way more than the jeopardy episode. Very interesting ep

Pfish

I personally just view them as any other digital game but with the perk of being able to trade, share (though less of an issue with the virtual key cards), and sell it for mostly likely years after the console is no longer current. Seems like a pretty decent deal imo when the actual alternative is download only.

Pfish

Most people learning a language mostly learn a particular version, especially if they arent living in a given region while learning. Using your example, a person learning French in rural France, unless they specifically try to learn the nuances, is going to have non of the Quabec nuance, and only some Parisian. So that probably wont be as affected as you think because its already still a problem. A different worry, that is already being a thing because of the internet (and television and radio before) is that a lot of these regions are already losing their nuance and becoming more homogeneous. This would likely accelerate that further.

Bird

On the conversation around 48:00 about the friendslopification of gaming: I think friendslop has always been the biggest genre of game, at least in my lifetime, but how we understand it has changed. COD is the best selling game every year since like 2000 or whatever, and its not because of the stellar campaigns, but because you can hop on and play mindless 6v6 with your friends after school or work. Massive games that made collective billions of dollars like Overwatch, Destiny, League, Fortnite, Apex, etc are generally multiplayer first titles, that while mostly playable solo are designed for a group of friends. Friendslop as a modern genre starting with Among Us as a standout success then really reaching escape velocity with Peak is just some of that impulse being redirected away from PvP and forever games and into more novel, casual, and cheap packages. And in the 2020s we still see outstanding single player commercial success both indie and triple A studios such as Silksong, Hades 2, Elden Ring, Expedition 33, BG3, Elden Ring, and a million other examples. I would argue its more just a generational genre change than a true change in type. The previous generation wanted cinematic first person shooters and now people want souls likes, the previous generation liked team pvp and now people want casual co-op or party games.

chaosandcoffee

..what bright sides? As far as I can see it's just a "told you so moment" as everything is coming out just as bad or worse than they said before, during the "hype"

Hailey “Beloved” Robeson

It was speculated they’d be closing down studios but didn’t turn out to do it to one, it was mostly a (still unfortunate) layoff of management rather than developers like is often the case (and shows they have somewhat of a plan), and to coincide a restructuring - alongside what ppl were praising a month ago or so

Bald Can’t

There’s always one aspect of learning languages that will be very valuable to and others: your ability to verify things yourself. Even in 100% good faith translation I’m sure you’ll agree that there’s subjectivity in how to translate speech, animation dub vs sub for example. A few months ago there was a trend of people using Grok to auto translate tweets, and people found a lot of Japanese tweets based/funny/relatable. In the comments to videos on this I remember seeing bilingual people coming in and saying “what grok is saying is technically true - HOWEVER - these translations are heavily colloqusalised and don’t reflect average Japanese sentiment” In my opinion, learning languages will probably become even more valuable because media will probably capitalise on auto translate to spin and manipulate viewers. Like how you have to trust a mechanic is suggesting essential service options for your car, and unless you know about car care you wouldn’t know if you’re being scammed.

Chandler Farrington

Piggybacking off of that. There has been a growing trend where physical disks don't have the full game and require a download the first time you use it. This has the same issue as a digital game, as a publisher could drop support for these pseudo-physical games the same way as a digital one. There is a website doesitplay.org that tracks which games are actually playable from the disk.

Marc Kruse

Hey, usually a quite enjoyer from germany here, that normally doesnt comment. I just saw the two *newest claude ads*: "Keep thinking" and "In hard questions lies hope". I personally found them low-key dystopiant and manipulative, asking the wrong questions. And i would be super interested in how *Doug* and *Atrioc* think of them from: a.) (Atrioc) A *marketing perspective*, because they highly caught my attention and LITERALLY made me think and create positive emotions toward AI suddenly. b.) (Doug) A tech / *relateablilty of brand perspective*. I would like to know if Doug finds the branding relateable or if it made him feel less confident in claude. Espcially since i know that he likes the brand ----------------------- Thanks! And thank you so much for this content it made me so much more aware of happenings in the world and sparked interest in politics, controversies, general procedures and made me question a lot of the the stuff that I see in media. Your way of arguing really enhanced my discussion habbits and revived my interest in discussing normally "hard" or "weightful" topics with less worries. ❤️

Kody Inume

There are very few codes in boxes for switch 2. It’s mostly game key cards. Which means you still have to download it BUT there is a cartridge and you can resell it and use it between consoles. Which is a GIANT difference in my opinion That will always be my issue with getting rid of physical media, it’s strictly trying to make it so you can not resell what should be your property. It’s also just an excuse they will have to raise prices when retailers and used gaming markets are gone.

Zane Hudson

I was going to say the same thing. Of all the new technologies coming soon auto-translation is the one that I’m sad about. I can absolutely recognize and agree with how much good it will provide in the world. But as someone who is fascinated by language and enjoys language learning, it is a bit disappointing. I am really worried about culture becoming too homogeneous though. The cultural differences, especially in speech, make the world a much more interesting place.

Bailey Yin

I think physical media and preserving games are two separate issues. Physical media still like DVDs still degrade overtime. Digital media is the best way to preserve a game as long as the consumer is given ownership of the content i.e. can download it and not need to be online to play. One of the times that block chain technology could be useful is to have ledger of ownership which stores what each person owns digitally. For example, if I buy the movie American Pie, the ledger would store that and if I ever want to download it from any place, they would check whether I already have rights to own it. The block chain would help safeguard instances where you buy media from a company that then goes out of business. Another issue around physical games is they probably aren't the latest version with bugfixes etc. It will most likely be just be the release version and with the current way games are developed (separate problems), a physical game just might not be playable or have all the content. I do think Atrioc's argument why physical media is beneficial makes sense to keep lower prices. Theoretically, a resale store for digital games could be setup so a person could sell their rights to game to another person online.

Omar Asad

Friendship games are 5 bucks and are made as a “neutral” category of games everyone can have fun with. It’s so easy to get your friends to buy it and play

Bailey Yin

The problem is that a lot of physical media still degrades over time. Using digital media is not the underlying problem with game preservation. The problem is licensing and distributers controlling access. If a consumer can download a game and able to play it without internet then you have a preserved game.

Bailey Yin

Unfortunately, part of the problem with physical media is the requirement of having a stable version and where game development is now, that isn't the case in a lot of instances. Also, outside of bug fixes, even single player games have lots of updates that would still require a download of some kind.

pnott

Absolutely that would be a more convenient and permanent solution, and those are flaws in preservation via physical copies. But until there are some kind of legal protections it's the best option we have. There is growing political support for laws like this around the world, but who knows when they will actually be passed and how strong their wording/enforcement will be?

Simon

usually i feel like you all on the pod are pretty fair in your assessment of different topics, but i can’t get behind what doug and atrioc seem to be saying. i feel like down playing the importance of physical media and saying how you don’t understand how some one would care so much is very unfair. as someone who is 17 right now and does not have enough disposable income to afford games, game preservation is very important to me. i would like to be able to have physical incase a game i want to play now but cant afford happens to get shut down. physical allows me to play a game even if the support is taken away. many of my favorite childhood games were digital only and now i cannot play them because they got removed for one reason or another. if there was a physical, i could find a copy and play that again down the road, but as it is i’ll never be able to play them again. and besides that, having physical media is just good for the sole reason of giving consumers more choice. taking away choices is anti consumer. sorry for rambling. love the pod. keep up the good content🙏

Robert Heider

I can attest that they’re definitely regionally, I remember in French class having to listen to different accents and it being almost like a new language 😭 hearing was my worst part tho for language learning…

Krispy4Kream

Incredibly cogent argument and interesting perspective. Really enjoyed reading this comment, ty.

retrogr8de

THIS is what I was hoping to hear in the discussion in the episode

Conner Paul

I like physical media because I can buy a console with a smaller storage size and have access to all my games all the time.

Lava1staff

for me the PlayStation thing is scary because if that other market goes away the only way you can get it is on the PlayStation store. who knows if their not getting enough money will they transfer it to a subscription and then you have something like what Netflix does now.

Schaefdog

So excited for Tower of Babel 2, can’t wait to see what the Man Upstairs got in store for plagues

FlockOfDeagles

The demographic I believe you guys are missing with the physical media debate are the people with no internet, or rarely having internet. Those people exist in droves in Appalachia. If you have no internet, you cant play the games. My nephew is a perfect example. He cant afford internet so he plays BO2 on his Xbox One with a disc. He can only play the campaigns and bots, but it gives him the option of playing.

Cole

Expedition 33 is a great example of a big game that was expensive, expansive, and still ripped + was financially successful. People will always want to have the big game experience, it’s just hard to get these games when they are almost exclusively produced by bloated companies who have largely forgotten how to compete.

Andrew Hamrick

59:50 I can't wait to get subtitles in japan

dchao207

I have an example for PlayStation. I’ve been trying to get the original prototype 1 and 2 games and the bundle isn’t available on PSN anymore