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We Needed More Time (Post Marc Merrill Interview) | Lemonade Stand - Ep. 076 [VIDEO] (Patreon)

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Recorded on: September 29th, 2026

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0:00 Intro

1:09 Sustainability of Esports

6:39 Marc's AI Response

11:26 The 2XKO Response

16:02 Overall Interview

21:32 Turning the Ship Around

29:45 Political Rage Bait Video

41:00 The Growing Divide

49:10 Presidential Pardons

1:00:22 Deportations

1:04:40 Nordic Fun Fact

1:06:55 Outro

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Pineapple Scuddleduck

Even as a filthy dota player I thought the interview was really good.

Seebayashi

Personally speaking, like I’m not trying to be negative here - but I’m confused why I’m paying for a political and news podcast that doesn’t ask the creator of League of Legends what his thoughts on the trump presidency is. Didn’t ask about trump, nothing about the strait of Hormuz, nothing about Ukraine, his favorite Nordic country … wtf is even the point of this podcast??

Dragau4

The interview was genuinely my all time favorite ep and probably interview I've watched. As an avid Riot fan, that I still play and have been stuck in their ecosystem forever. I genuinely love the thing they built and always felt their mission resonate throughout their actions. The player focus is beautiful

Egg

I hope you're kidding. I really genuinely do NOT want literally every topic to center around Trump, and I don't think Trump is the end all be all to economics & politics.

Seebayashi

Yes, I am being sarcastic.

slash

What a coincidence lol. I made a comment about 5 days ago under the interview asking for literally this. Im glad you guys did it. I really hope you continue to do post interview episodes in the future. It would've been really interesting to see ones for interviews like Guenther Steiner, etc.. But I'm just glad you guys decided to do one this time.

slash

They should just rename it to the trump stand

Dragau4

I genuinely love LoR, I was loving hearstone's PvE modes and when path of champions released (basically a rogulelike version with the cards, and they've kept updating it, adding new content to the PvE mode

Ehaeka

Nice to see an ex crack addict talk about his experience interviewing the director of the CIA Edit: NOOOOOOO My country gets brought up on the pod and its about fucking AI generated immigration ragebait accounts operating from here sadge

Ellie Teller

That ai tutor vs small group is the most apples to oranges comparison I've ever heard and it pisses me off so much people hear that and think it says anything besides one on one tutoring is far easier than even small class teaching. And you could say "yes but if it works the same or better everyone can have individualized one on one education which would be better" HOW ABOUT WE DO THAT WITH PEOPLE how about having an education system funded well enough that one on one tutoring sessions for subjects you are struggling in, gets put in every public school. If you want to sit here and say an AI is currently better at getting people to pass a test, I'm fine with that. If your sitting here saying one on one ai tutoring is better at getting people to understand what they are learning than human tutoring, your wrong and without AGI your gonna stay wrong.

Gilan

It also misses the fact that for most people, the value of a tutor isn't the knowledge. A tutor really is someone who holds you accountable and encourages you to do better. A chatbot can't really hold anyone accountable.

bauwse

To clarify some of the state of Legends of Runeterra; development on the competitive / PVP aspect of the game, which was previously riots core focus has essentially ceased development. You can still play against other people, matchmaking still works, and you can technically play ranked, but no new pve content is really being developed. They've instead shifted their focus to the PVE roguelike cardbuilder gamemode, which has allowed them to dramatically downscale the team to a point in which the product is still financially sustainable. So while the servers are still up and you can still play the game, for anyone that played the game for the competitive nature of PVP and tournaments the game is effectively canceled.

Mike

Re: Legends of Runeterra - That was an awesome game, but it actually was cancelled similar to 2XKO. They stopped developing multiplayer a while back, it's not that it's sustainable and still going - it's more accurate to say it's still accessible with bot matches

Lobo

Geniunely disappointed you guys didn't ask what his favorite champion is, and if hes picking top, mid, bot or jungle etc. I wanna see if this guy knows ball

raymond

Fun fact: FDR's Parsons almost all went to war criminals like the Nazis and Imperial Japanese army. Including but not limited to: Holocaust designer, designer of the rape of Nanking and all sorts of horrible creatures.

SadChargerFan

My justification for the pardon (not sure if it is a sufficient one and am open to pardon's not being all-things-considered justified): if there is a rule that somebody was punished by and the rule itself is on its face unfair or is enforced in an obviously unfair way, AND the judicial branch failed in executing its duties, then somebody in the executive branch with the power to check that abuse of power/dereliction of duty should be able to do that.

SadChargerFan

I say this with love but does anybody else think that like 5% of the time when Atrioc talks he sounds like he accidentally hits the 2x fast-forward button for a half second before bringing it back to a normal speed? It is usually when he's repeating something he has already said so we generally get the gist of what he was saying, so it isn't a problem, I just happened to notice it recently lol.

SaacAttaac

“Eventually market forces will correct this”. lol, lmao even

Umbra Night

you guys have truly come full circle when the video game ceo started talking about politics yall went all “but how about those games!” lmfaooo

XCaliber

A small suggestion, which might be too much to actually implement or organize with Vox and the people you interview, but let me shoot my shot anyway. It would be really cool if you could announce the guest of an interview beforehand and maybe curate a few questions from viewers. Maybe it could even be an exclusive Patreon tier reward or something. But I can see how execs might not want to deal with that, but you can always just vet the questions by running it through them beforehand I guess. For example, like with Aiden's last DotA related question, my biggest personal gripe and reason to not play Valorant and anything Riot related by proxy is the Vanguard anticheat. It has kernel level access and used to disable features of my laptop like its touch screen when I tried playing it in undergrad. I've heard a lot of security experts claim that it's a massive security vulnerability and has access to protected file systems on your PC. Many have compared it to spyware/rootkits. It starts running from when you hit the power button on your system even if you never play the game or close out of it, unless you manually disable it and restart the system. Installing it on a system with sensitive data is a big no no. It would have been great to hear from Marc what his thoughts on this are, having such an intrusive software paired with such a popular and widely played game. I guess he would say it's a choice between Valve's non-intrusive VAC like system that is way less effective or something intrusive like this. Or that cheats themselves often have the same kernel level access so to fight them the anticheat needs it too. The problem with that argument being a player can choose to install a potential spyware cheat or not, but everyone is forced to install the anticheat spyware authorized by Riot, and by extension, Tencent. And that association is honestly the biggest issue here. Side note: the US department of "war" classifies Tencent as a Chinese military company lol.

Bird

On the note of AI content slop arms race: It reminds me of anime. When I was in highschool (graduated 2020) and especially middle school I was super into anime, and my bar for what made a good show was often a hype fight scene with an aura farming protagonist. That being said in the 2010s, while there was a lot of these shows, there were not so many that I could watch nothing else and even the shows that pandered to my teenage sensibilities had some semblance of a story. I still watch the occasional anime, but not much in part because I'm busier and have other hobbies I prefer, in part because on average the medium is directed at teenagers, and in part because as the number of shows being animated and localized to English subtitles has increased every year there is now and endless slop funnel of [Loser guy gets transported to another world where he immediately gets into high budget fight scenes and amasses a harem of paper thin women while aura farming incessantly] every single season. If I were a teenager today I wouldn't be forced to watch the more boring shows or the shows with a good fight scene once or twice a season but actual story in between. And people who came up a few years before me can completely say the same about me as the access to slop was greater than their's. And this is all pre-ai, how will the kids of today who don't have the same discomfort and inhibitions against AI respond to the ability to have access to all dessert no vegetable shows? Especially as social silo-ing is making the ability to talk about a standout show less of a push to watch something you don't click with. I'm pretty confident we will eventually find an answer or antibody or equilibrium, I just don't know what it will be or if it will take the most brainrotted mentally cooked generation imaginable (and maybe thats us) to terrifying the next cohort into action.

Aiden McCaig

I think the idea of viewer questions is potentially good I think this specific example I actually think is a bad question because you basically answered it for yourself. As a Riot gamer myself I've always tolerated Vanguard's security risks because it's worth the competitive integrity in a game I'm highly invested in + I trust the company for the most part. Riot has also discussed their policy around the kernel anticheat extensively and publicly. I rather spend time asking things that I, for the most part, have not seen answered in detail.

XCaliber

Oh that was my bad! I should have made it clear I wasn't actually suggesting that as a question in an actual interview, just an example of what I personally would have liked to ask Marc if we somehow were sitting together and I was trying to explain my point of view. Just like the dota question in some way. While the answer might have left me frustrated as a dota player myself, just having a question like that asked gives the podcast a certain character that I can't really put to words exactly... homely of comfy maybe? Like its totally a question I can see another OG dota player like me asking and that hits different from the traditional softball questions or technical inquiries we are used to seeing in interviews with execs. Specially since I was late in watching the episode and saw it after the yard and the fact that you mentioned it to slime beforehand. I could totally imagine his head floating above you giggling as you mentioned "friends and collegeues who play dota" xd. Loved the episode for that <3

Marc

That thing Aiden talks about at the end we've actually had in Germany for a while here. Its called the "Wahlomat" (Vote-tron) and it's been around since 2002. It's obviously not the ultimate solution, but it's definitely really cool to have access too. Especially when I was younger it was just a really neat first step to get into things.

Vasco Pires

I mean I don't disagree, but is a one to one education system with humans even close to a realistic thing? No matter how "well funded" it is, you would basically never be able to do something like that, hell, even the example they used of small class teaching is kinda unrealistic itself. Again im not even saying that we should put every kid with an AI tutor, my point is more so that the comparison is really not that weird at all because they are comparing what is actually realistic (and yes ai tutors are a lot more realistic, no matter how bad or good they would be).

J0mcd

On the political lean quiz in sweden, i believe thats pretty common in the EU in general. Here in the netherlands we have the 'stemwijzer', its a similar thing. There is an independent organisation that creates a list of questions based on party programs, public outreach and news media and then the parties can respond to those questions. Parties are checked if their answers are in line with their public policy programs and then eventually a list of 30 questions are made available for this compass. Its very widely used.

Schaefdog

An interesting parallel to maybe look into is Bungie right now. The idea of maximum extraction slowly creeped into Bungie with the acquisition of Sony until the death of Destiny 2 and the release of Marathon. Now the company is in a similar “starting to turn the ship” era.

Ellie Teller

I agree 1 on 1 ai tutoring is much much easier to implement, but I don't think that makes it realistic in the sense that it would be easy to implement in general (due to reasons pointed out in the other reply to me). And I think a system where there's 1-1 mandatory tutoring could be made in realistic way, I'm not saying that every student has one tutor though, I'm saying you have teachers and you have tutors and you can find ways to split class time with tutor while keeping the meetings with the tutors 1:1. And I'm not saying these tutors are the most expirenced educators of all time, hell I'd be fine with a system where they were using an LLM designed well to work with the topic they're discussing. The main point behind it isn't to match people up with experts trained in fields, that would be unrealistic, but if a tutor can get you to sit down and ask the right questions about what your learning then that's good enough. I agree it seems pretty "why don't homeless people just buy houses" on face value, but you don't have to hire deep students of pedagogy, college students would work, people with associates degrees in the field would work, they just have to get the student to engage with the material critically and cover the teachers weak spots. At the very least I think it is more realistic, in terms of improving education outcomes, to try something like this rather than continuing to dig our current grave of paying shitloads of money to like 3 different companies to give us online "learning" tools that don't teach at all.

Xander

Brandon leaving to go to the bathroom for a WHOLE MINUTE is a GRAVE insult, i want 2,5% of my money back from this month as compensation.

M C

I mean the rich getting human made stuff vs poles getting trash is just human history. If by market correction fixing these, you mean some sort of often violent revolution. Definitely. If you mean the poors have the monetary capacity to enact real change, you delusional.

Stephen

I, a mediocre platform fighter player, was disappointed with 2XKO because it wasn’t the same as rising thunder. I wanted a game with simple controls and my favorite characters. Instead they made a tag-fighter which required me to learn two different characters, the in’s and outs of a tag system, and the systems of a traditional fighter. It was just overwhelming. I tried my best, but it just was too complicated

Benjamin Fields

I have never been someone that has used twitter regularly but recently I’ve used it to try to keep up with Zelda switch 2 drops. The one thing I’ve noticed on there is how rage-bating the content is and how aggressive most of the user are, so extremely toxic and how much people will ask Grok to answer a question instead of sealing answers from peers or seeking the knowledge on their own. Truly felt so toxic and regressive.

Kat

you had me until favorite Nordic country

Yair

Can you get atrioc a wireless mic

bee

I believe many (most? it was at least 2.5k) of Joe Biden's presidential pardons were commutations for felons who were convicted and imprisoned for crimes that have since been recategorised as misdemeanours - mostly black men imprisoned for nonviolent drug offences. I know Aiden raised this hypothetical as a one-off scenario where the presidential pardon could be reasonable, but I wanted to mention that this is literally what happened for several thousand people, who were being unfairly punished by a system that was designed to incarcerate them (you've probably heard of the "war on drugs"). Important context that I think is worth mentioning.

Joshua Mwebi

Aiden hitting a wordcount on a essay explaining the foreign grifting and atrioc "yeah ragebaiting for money" 2 sec summary made me laugh lmao

nickyyo

i’m pretty sure the joe biden pardons were for prior marjuana convictions that he did on mass which imo was a good thing i could be completely wrong tho

Conner Smith

am i hallucinating or did aiden already talk about the political rage bait stuff in a previous episode.

Hunter R

The glazing of Marc Merrill is especially strange to me given he helped create an incredibly toxic culture including sexism and abuse of employees. Or should he, one of the co-founders and long-time highest ranking executives, somehow avoid blame because they like his games and talking to him?

hounvs

37:28 Video glitched and some words were lost. Not a big deal, just FYI