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Thats enough trauma for today GoT 😭😭

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IcySystem

"But it's GoT, so it's not gonna happen" Learning :) Sweet summer child no more.

Michael West

This was a difficult episode. Ramsey makes Joffrey seem like a kitten. I remember the line Tywin said to Cersei about not being as smart as she thinks she is. I think she realizes now she can’t control the faith militant.

My_Cousin_Mose

Stand on business! If people don't flame you in the comments for liking Cersei we'll also be ok if you don't like how Dany has been handling herself lately. As it so happens I agree with you on this.

Freja Corbinne

The dwarf lives until we find a cock merchant.

Flexorcist

This episode was very controversial when it first aired

Licha Reacts!

I do get some comments on the YT about Cersei butttt Its worth it 🤣 I'm happy you agree with me about Dany though! I thought I might seem a little crazy for saying that haha

Funkystar

The thing about Jon tho is that he has no time to waste nor think, winter is almost here if he doesn’t act quick and makes this decision to help the free folk they will die or it will be to late to try and go back north again😅 I can promise you Jon would love time to think about all this. Tens of thousands people will die if he is not fast enough, as much as i like the political aspect of everything else Jon storyline specifically now that everything is ramped up is the most crucial one. You gotta account the urgency of it all licha

My_Cousin_Mose

Abandon all hope, ye who enter the YT comments section.

IcySystem

No time to think? Enough time to ask Maester Aemon for advice and discuss it with Stannis. When you watch the discussion with Tormund that follows, you might notice that he has put a lot of thought into it. All his phrases are well formulated and go deep into the problems of the situation. He probably thought about these things ever since he met Ygritte and Mance for the first time. Ever since he saw the thing in the woods at crasters.

Funkystar

Absolute horror way to end the episode, this is still the one episode i cannot rewatch i just can’t. The acting on Alfie Allan as reek/theon is truly a masterpiece!! He is top 3 best actor in the show as of now S5🤝🏾

Funkystar

I meant like he doesn’t have time to wait and try and make people happy he needs to do this now. The urgency is the time not how long it took him to come up with this idea, we both know how urgency it is since you have probably seen the show🤷🏾‍♂️

IcySystem

You said he has no time to think twice, so I assumed that's what you meant. Well, I have seen the show... let's not go there honestly. Basing your current opinion/interpretation on future plot points is very close to spoilers. On the basis of the current knowledge, how do you know it's urgent? Took the threat over 5 seasons already to get nowhere really. Doesn't seem that urgent to me. More time to discuss might help to sway more people, sure.

Dan Tydeman

This episode was kinda controversial when it came out but stuff like this would happen all the time in this sort of world. It is a rough watch tho, really makes you hate Ramsay's guts

Freja Corbinne

Whatever happens in this world is what the writers choose, and these writers chose an unnecessary detour into a rape subplot that didn't exist in the books. They chose to marry Sansa to Ramsay, which doesn't happen in the books. They chose a character played by an actress who already had to go through one scene like this.

IcySystem

1. Spoilers for the books 2. What does it matter if it happens in the books? Something very similar happens in the books, just to a different character. So is that subplot a unnecessary detour into a rape as well? 3. Isn’t art exactly the place to confront difficult subjects and taboos? These things still happen in the real world, and pretending otherwise doesn’t make them disappear. When you look at arcs like Theon’s or Sansa’s, the story uses the horrors they endure as key points. The real question is whether that level of suffering is narratively necessary, but as long as reality remains more brutal than fiction, I don’t see it as gratuitous. And in this case, the scene was comparatively restrained, with the camera cutting away to Theon. Either way, moments like these remind us of the darker parts of human existence and, hopefully, make us more aware and compassionate toward real-world victims. At least that’s my takeaway. 4. An actress who already had to go through one scene like this? Here is what Sophie Turner said this year in an interview about the scene: “I did feel—and still do—that ‘Game of Thrones’ shone a light on things that many people were like ‘Oh god, you can’t show that kind of thing’—and I understand it can be triggering—I totally understand that point of view,” Turner began. “But I did feel we were actually doing a lot of justice to women and the fight women have had to fight for hundreds of thousands of years—the patriarchy, being treated as objects and being constantly sexually assaulted—I don’t think there’s one woman I know who hasn’t had a form of that.” [... cut out stuff that Ramsays actor said..] Turner: “And that’s because we don’t [talk about] it enough—we shy away from it,” she said.

Freja Corbinne

this entire show was gratuitous lmao, there are so many examples of this show just being excessively brutal for its own sake. it's largely torture porn. after this show we just got a wave of more shows trying to be even edgier and pushing the envelope on graphic violence. House of the Dragon is even worse.

IcySystem

GoT definitely pushed boundaries, but saying it’s largely torture porn seems like ignoring most of what the show actually focused on. There are a few scenes at best. And the term torture porn is ridiculous honestly. The brutality isn’t just there for shock value. It reflects the kinds of real-world horrors people have historically faced, and honestly, compared to reality, what the show depicts is fairly mild. It's not like this is anything new on screen either. The sexual assault scene in Sopranos for example was way way worse.

Timebomb_

I think Dany is actually the most ‘normal’ person in the show. Like if she grew up in Kings Landing, she would just want to have a quiet life with her hobbies and family. But fate has put her in this situation she wasn’t made for. She’s not very intelligent, but she’s not dumb either. She shows compassion but has a cruelty streak. To me, Dany has always been a critique on monarchy, since regular people are not meant to be Gods. But it’s not like you can blame her for it, all she’s trying to do is make the best of her situation.

blck mmba

The Sansa stuff with Ramsay is the first MASSIVE divergence from book to show. Never happens in the book and for us Sansa fans is an inexcusable addition to her arc.

James Thomas

The majority of Theon's arc in s3 consisted of him being tortured, I understand that they couldn't have done it the same way as the book but they really linger on it and after a point it stops being disturbing and just becomes unnecessary. I think by this point in the show they didn't need to remind us how brutal this world was, we already knew. Throwing Sansa into this arc is another example of the show's attempt to streamline stories from the book that ends up doing it much worse. It means that Sansa's development in the vale was basically a waste of time, Littlefinger has to completely betray his character and also make a really stupid half-baked plan. Also the sopranos depiction was much more graphic but the handling of that story line had much more to say then what this show does, not that it was handled perfectly but it was a damn sight better than this.

James Thomas

So this season has been a mixed bag so far but this episode is probably the worst has done up to this point, aside from the horrible ending, the whole thing is a total lap of misery and boredom.

IcySystem

Given how unsettling the scene was and judging by the audience’s reaction, it's clearly more than just a reminder. In fact, it intensifies the disturbing aspects of the story, so calling it "unnecessary" doesn’t really hold up. At what point did the torture become not disturbing to you? That's a strange thing to claim. Maybe you became numb to it, or perhaps the meaning of the scene didn’t land for you? Or do you simply feel it went too far and shouldn’t have been shown on TV? In my view, Theon's torture is necessary to make Ramsay's complete breaking of him believable. Could the show have left more to the viewer's imagination? Sure. But the progression is deliberate, it escalates in clear steps, each addressing a different part of Theon's identity. You can analyze this even more deeply, but here's a brief breakdown. imprisonment -> loss of freedom early torture (pain) -> loss of control and confidence fake escape -> loss of trust and hope physical mutilation on finger -> loss of bodily integrity castration -> loss of sexual identity naming him reek -> loss of personal identity forced participation in cruelty (hunting tansy) -> loss of moral agency ...

Alexander Maier

So you think the scene would have been better with Jeyne Poole who was married to Ramsay as an fake Arya? It´s almost the same scene, despite Theon has to get Jeyne "ready" for Ramsay with his mouth in the books!

AJ Taingahue

I dont think burning people alive when you don't know if they committed a crime is, normal, or making the best out of her situation