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200 - Thief II: The Metal Age (Patreon)

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2025-07-30 06:00:06
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In 1998, Looking Glass Studios released THIEF: THE DARK PROJECT, an unprecedentedly immersive and technically impressive first-person stealth simulator. Two years later, they followed it up with their masterpiece, THIEF 2: THE METAL AGE. After hounding Brian and A.J. to talk about this one for years, Josh finally got his wish. Plus, we got Jay Anthony Franke back to voice JC Denton for the interstitial. Thanks for sticking with us for 200 episodes and here’s to 200 more.

Jay Anthony Franke - Cameo // Instagram

Media Referenced in the Episode:

Thief II. Looking Glass. 2000.

Ahead of its time: The history of Looking Glass by Mike Mahardy. Polygon. April 6th, 2015.

How Thief's Stealth System Almost Didn't Work | War Stories by Ars Technica. February 20th, 2018.

The Story of Thief & Looking Glass Studios by Noclip. August 10th, 2021.

Thief-TheCircle.com --- Thief II: The Metal Age Strategy Index

Thief II - The Metal Age Walkthrough by Orgulo. Gamefaqs. July 5th, 2025

Thief vs. AAA Gaming by Dom Giuca. March 16th, 2014.

Through the Looking Glass Forums

TWOAPW theme by Brendan Dalton: Patreon // brendan-dalton.com // brendandalton.bandcamp.com

Interstitial: “The Pigeon Job” // Written by A.J. Ditty // Feat. Josh Boerman as “Garrett”, Brian Alford as “Benny”, A.J. Ditty as “Karras”, and Jay Anthony Franke as “Cramble Grenton.”

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Typhoon Jim

i have awaited this moment longer than i wish to admit

Alex Anderson

I’ve heard a lot of people saying this is perhaps too dark. Maybe a bit hard to see

Typhoon Jim

it's in the park there's a very skinny dog, very angular

Udit Singh

Patreon dark mode is quite dark .. couldn't see this pop up

BOYSAREBACKIN.TOWN

"A black Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court" First of all, my younger white friends (parasocial), that's the film Black Knight starring Martin Lawrence. Second, the New York City set at Screen Gems in Wilmington, NC, where the TMNT films and The Crow among others were filmed, was torn down to build the castle for Martin Lawrence's Black Knight, causing great financial stress on the studio backlot because surprisingly, more films take place in NYC than in a medieval castle. I'm shocked none of you pulled that movie out in that riff, not because I think you're experts on lazy early 2000s "what if we did a black version" movies but because I'm frequently surprised that you pull things either that I'm thinking of but nobody gets my references to or things I have never once in my life heard of. Anyway, you were so close to a riff spiral but didn't know about Martin Lawrence's Black Knight from I believe 2001

BOYSAREBACKIN.TOWN

No one made a Suspect Device reference at "fake device?"

Eliza Blackhart

You know the thumbnail image for this episode? I think it may be Too Dark

Serkles

Thief Deadly Shadows was the first game I played in the series, back when I was a teen. Absolutely loved it, the story IMO is still better then the two original games. I played the original two much later, more for posterity than anything else, so maybe my opinion would be different if I played them sequentially. I tried the 2014 Thief game and really could not get into it.

Aditya Tejas

I'm surprised you got through the whole episode without mentioning Dishonored, which does retread a lot of Thief's narrative themes and have the same dense level design, while having a more liberating playstyle.

Petter Ericson

On the topic of quiet conversation im Eavesdropping, did you try leaning against the door to hear better what happens on the other side? Tips from the manual, iirc 25 years later!

BarFly

Bit of a correction on James Clavell. He had been to Asia because he was shot in the face fighting in Java in 1942 and then spent the rest of the war in Changi Prison, Singapore. Doesn't make him an expert on feudal Japan though.

Derek W

Holy shit, I can’t believe you guys got the real Cramble Grenton for the interstitial.

Bentivegitantus

Now that we have the Thief II episode, when are we finally going to get that episode about Cats? I know Josh was on another podcast recently and he talked about how much he was hoping to do one.

Bentivegitantus

It is also much brighter! Between the two games, I think the whole gang would get a kick out of the narrative and puzzle design of the Clockwork Mansion and Stilton Manor levels. The mansion, in particular, where you can just say "screw this, I'm not doing your puzzles," and jump through the ceiling felt very Thief/Deus Ex to me.

Hitachii

The lads play Nightreign

Dergon

The "cartoon" bomb thing is wild because that's just what some bombs used to look like. Big round iron balls with a fuse on top. That's where the cartoons get the image from.

Hercules

I haven't listened yet, but seeing that y'all have a 3hr episode on Thief 2, legit made my week, thanks!

Camoose the Uncrackable Egg

With how much Josh likes stealth, I wonder if he's played The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from butcher bay. I loved the stealth in that.

GIfSmooth

Is Father Karras an Exorcist reference?

Elizabeth Power

I love Brian Southern pastor Voice at the beginning. I have a similar voice that I like to turn on sometimes. Congratulations on 200 episodes, excited to hear about this game that Josh makes jokes about all the time

Jimmy McMillan

"Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb!" Thanks for the 1960s Batman movie reference Josh. That one felt like it was just for me

Moppie

This is 100% my jam, and it’s almost embarrassing how I did a little fist pump when I saw Thief 2 on my Patreon feed. So - does anyone else remember ‘Terra Nova: Strike Force Centauri’? This was a Looking Glass game that I obtained from a Target bargain bin, and loved, but it seems to have been lost in time

EM

This isn't the kind of game I could actually sit through but I'd be interested in watching a good playthrough, if anyone can recommend one.

Typhoon Jim

The cool thing about the Riddick games is when you go from stealth to killing, you reach a point where the enemy does not want what you're dishing out and you can tell. A rare thing in this kind of game.

Elizabeth Power

All the talk of the guards being alert reminded me of a bumper sticker my aunt saw: “Be alert, your country needs lerts” This became a joke in my family every time someone talks about being alert, so I thought you should all be in on it

sgthebee

Some of the things you talk about for Thief II make me think that at least two out of the three of you might enjoy Rain World. It’s not exactly an immersive sim, it’s more like a dynamic terrarium simulation where you are a little slugcat in the lower middle of the foodchain, surviving through cleverness and your own building skill and knowledge (since slugcat doesn’t get upgrades).

Dergon

Look up Petty Thief by Civvie 11 on YouTube

Chris Bronson

For the love of Webster stop saying nonplussed to mean not surprised. It means the exact opposite!

Duke-tha-Nuke

My dad was on the development team for T3 Deadly Shadows…. I got to beta test that game as a small child…. And most of the foliage in that game are 3D renderings from the plants in my front yard at the time. Also all of the portraits on the walls in the castle are of the game devs that made the game.

carrie

Karras sounds like Truman capote