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Been sick, now me am busy catching up! 

Here's more of that old nerd list:


41) The average comic shop 

42) Roy Thomas's ego (EDIT: Just a start, let's just say I'm not a fan, also, see #48)

43) “Realistically” painted superhero comics (EDIT: They can look fine, although they're not really my idea of fun. And too many painted superhero comics need to be filled with narrative captions to let you know what the hell is going on. Big soaring images with little connective tissue isn't comics, and painted comics tend to fall into this category even more than the usual variety. They're just so "epic". And dreary, the "realism" showing wrinkles in the faces and costumes, losing cartoon exaggeration, much foreshortening, grounding things that look pretty dopey under the magnifying glass. Also -- obvious referencing of actors takes me right out of the comic I'm looking at, it's sore thumb theater for me to see celebrities "playing" characters in a comic. I always felt painted comics in general was a way to "elevate" and validate the superhero medium, which only needs good stories and art and readers who couldn't give a fig what others thought about their entertainment choices, not a movement to ape movies and video games, imho. Comics have their own charm, personality and power, which, again, imho, is often lost when portrayed "realistically". Some of the silliest attempts at adult seriousness in superhero comics have been the most supposedly "realistic", in both story and art. They beg more questions than they answer (or attempt to answer), opening cans of worms in regards to  "actual" reality, physics, social movements, culture, etc. Anyway, these notes are getting too long, it's all comics, everyone has their ideas and can enjoy what they enjoy.)

44) The one Chicago Con I attended.   

45) The one Wonder Con I attended. 

46) Almost any comic Brian Bolland does the cover for that isn’t an anthology.  (EDIT: Ha ha, and except World's Funnest. This is an exaggeration, but so many comics had a bait-and-switch going on the covers --  with him especially -- and so often the interior art was...not Bolland quality. Vertigo really abused the bit, if you ask me. Beautiful covers, for the most part (Tara McPherson! James Jean!), but it never sat right with me. It's like saying the interior artist was insufficient or something. Maybe I'm uptight, I never liked the designated hitter rule in baseball and I believe in dancing with the date that you showed up with (or sitting in the corner, awkwardly).  I was asked to do covers for Transmetropolitan once -- by Darick Robertson, and I told him I thought he should do them, because it's his book and why take a backseat for s stretch -- or lose three paychecks? Also, I wasn't a fan of the book, but that wasn't Darick's fault (I was super-flattered to be asked). Anyway, it's not a law that can't be broken or a big deal, but I like covers in the modern era  to be done by the artist on the comic, myself.)

47) The overly slick paper and garish coloring on the DC Archives series 

48) 95% of the DC Archive introductions, especially those done by Roy Thomas or Michael Uslan and his writing partner whose name I forget. Who needs a writing partner for an introduction? A crappy introduction writer, that's who. Often if not always self-serving, self-involved, dull, usually just a list of contents and plot rundowns (hello, spoilers, you idiots, we want to read the damned books if you don't mind) and trivia and nothing of any substance. Basically about as well-written and incisive as a pro-zine article (at best), used as an opportunity to brag about the writer's own accomplishments and involvement in comics,and if you  take a drink every time there's an exclamation point you'll be drunk by page one. And Archives pay $500 an intro! People should be made to work for their money.

49) Comic Book Artist’s apparent inability to find serious fault with any creator or comic. Everything's great!!! (Three exclamation marks means it's also classic!!!).

50) DC’s inability to properly sell it’s line of comics based on popular Cartoon Network characters (including the shows based on DC properties). Particularly lame in the face of Archie’s survival and Tokyopop’s cine-manga successes.  (EDIT: This has changed somewhat, especially recently, with YA initiatives, etc. Also, why the fuck do we have to have Tokyopop back in the fold, comics beat that cancer once already, why let it take another foothold?)

51) Almost every comic book character statue ever made. (EDIT: Says the guy who stares lovingly at almost every vinyl version of an Ultraman monster, so, your mileage certainly may vary on this one. But I don't really like statues of them supertypes for some reason, although I loved the little DHC comic strip character ones, I like maquettes for the most part (even though we sold or gave away almost all the WB animation statues we were sent, save the first Superman, which is in storage , and I have a very large and useless Donald Duck statue I spent too much money on back when Icould afford to do things like that). I think most statues emphasize the things I don't go for in superhero comics -- aggravated anatomy, angry faces, ridiculous female attributes, an overall aesthetic I don't like. Everyone's different. Obviously them things sell to the fans.)

52) The “Theakstonizing” process (EDIT: See previous post, #40)

53) Being unable to read most old comics because they’re too expensive to buy as back issues and too obscure to reprint. 

54) Most comic message board posts and posters (EDIT: See twitter, nowadays, but I don't go on Reddit or Dischord or wherever the steady arguing is these days)

55) People with a virulent need to prove to the world that EC Comics were not high art. I agree, okay? And I like them anyway. They’re entertaining. And you’ll never blunt their influence on cartooning. Find something else to beat up on, like the nuclear family or kittens.   

56) People who insist that the collapse of Marvel Comics would be beneficial to the industry. 

57) People who still refuse to read black and white comics. (EDIT: fortunately, it's been less of an issue due to things like manga and The Walking Dead, but still, people who read Calvin and Hobbes but can't penetrate a black and white comic book make my head spin)

58) Manga-bashing (EDIT: Also less of an issue, but still headache-inducing that there are still so many smoothed brains out there that only see comics as Marvel and DC, and manga as something other than just comics from another place )

59) Alex Toth’s ideas on what comics should be (EDIT: This was partly in regards to the hero-worship circles who never touch on how unimpressive most of Toth's comics are as reading experiences despite the brilliant art, as well as his strangely stunted and reductive ideas about the medium itself. In interviews, correspondence and throughout his career, he championed a stilted, adventure strip/ pulp-era/Douglas Fairbanks-style of masculine derring-do that was pretty damned juvenile and largely bland, imho, especially considering his vociferous opinions about superheroes -- and practically everything else)

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Joe Rauch

Number 46 is such a letdown as a reader, even when the interior artist is excellent in their own right. I'm reminded of some early 2000s Flash books with Brian Bolland covers and Scott Kolins interiors. Such a disconnect between the two art styles, and I didn't get the point. Kolins did great Flash covers in his own right, why bring in the ringer?

Ray Cornwall

43- This is Alex Ross Syndrome. Alex Ross is an AMAZING artist who could work in pencil if he wanted to (he did a great story for Sandman Mystery Theatre). Unfortunately, the industry interpreted this as "we want more painted comics!!" rather than "hey, that Alex Ross is pretty good, let's keep him".

Karen

I can’t stand Alex Ross and his ilk. Realistic, painted comics give me a pain (I added realistic in order not to exclude Sienkiewic, whom I worship).

Karen

Seconding the distaste for recolored comics on shiny paper. And I’m guessing you were as unimpressed as I was by that Comics Journal piece on EC.

Ray Cornwall

On #46- Darick rarely did the covers. Most of the covers were done by other well-known artists. They never had Bolland, but Jaime Hernandez did some covers. There's a structure to that series that matched the cover artist. I would have loved to have seen your take on Spider Jerusalem. You would have been a great fit.

Rodrigo V.

big agree on 59, was reading his interview on the Setting the Standard book from fantagraphics and there's a lot of shitty takes on it.

Kurt Kibler

#53 has bummed me out for a looooong time. The only options shouldn’t be spend a pile of money on originals, spend a pile of money on Masterworks or buy those horrid Essential collections. Also for #46...I’m going to agree with Ray....I get your point about the covers, but selfishly I’d have loved to have seen yours for that series.

Evan Dorkin

It would get to the point that you couldn't be faulted for being wary of a book with a Bolland cover back in the day. It was like sweetener for a perceived fault in the book, writing and/or interior art.

Evan Dorkin

Well, there was a call for more painted comics, and we're still seeing the allure of "realism" in drawn books as well -- adding CGI-like coloring effects and lens flares and blurring and whatever. I dislike it intensely, I think it obliterates the personality of the artists, and is a better showcase for colorists than anything else. Which is great for colorists, but I think they've become de facto inkers on too many projects. I miss inking as delineation, I miss line weights and spotting blacks, but, I'm also 55 and times and tastes change. And there's still plenty of "old school" art in books, mainstream and otherwise. I also agree with you on Ross' pencils -- I prefer his line art and inks to his painting, quite a bit, in fact.

Evan Dorkin

That was the impetus I'm sure. Beat a dead horse that was more like a foal minding its own business. Is EC overly-venerated? What isn't? I can't understand the love for golden age superheroes, and I kind of like that crap in theory, but it's mostly garbage, imo. Roy Thomas and Don Thompson et al spearheaded a fan worship of some of the worst reading experiences I've ever had, by and large. Ever try reading All Star Comics? Woof. Thomas rode that crap through the 80's, somehow. Nostalgia's a hell of a drug. Anyway, I think that TCJ rant was Tom Devlin, at least D&Q's brought Gasoline Alley, Moomin and John Stanley into print and more prominence, I can't argue with those.

Evan Dorkin

Ah, I didn't know Darick didn't do most covers. I remember the Jaime ones, bc, duh, the Jaime H radar was always on. Current situation aside, I never liked Ellis as a writer or a cult of personality, I was put off pretty much from the first time I tried reading Transmet, I thought it tried way too hard and the whole Hunter Thompson bit was kind of past expiration date. I have a problem with genius cult figures like Thompson, Bukowski, even Burroughs, whose writing I generally like. The gushing fans become an annoying cult, and the work is not always brilliant in the first place, and a lot of shitty behavior is justified or overlooked. Thompson was an asshole, Bukowski was an asshole, Burroughs killed a woman being an asshole. I was enamored for a while like lost of folks, but, college ends and you grow up and separate out a lot of nonsense. Doesn't mean the work is all nonsense, but the status and persona stuff, it becomes obvious and...kinda bullshit. And that's a reason I stayed far away from any comics professional/writers/etc who start a message board for themselves to roost over their fans. Too many keyboard Fagins, needy, manipulative and pushing the brilliant artist persona.

Evan Dorkin

Brilliant artist. Wish I had an ounce of his ability. But I can't read 95% of the comics. I keep trying. I wish he worked with some better writers, but he was what he was and did what he wanted to do. Power to him, but he's more useful to comics as reference material and technique than as a good reading experience.

Evan Dorkin

Yeah, doing the covers might have been a career move, but I'm always shooting myself in the foot. Besides, covers aren't my strong point. I don't have a good graphic sense. I'm still trying, though. As for #53, at least there's a ton of old junk on the web and available to download, and not pirated in many cases. And a ton of stuff has actually been reprinted/collected now. I'm trying to pick up cheap copies of the PS Art Books old pre-code horror comics, and would like to get some others like Planet Comics and the humor Frankensteins. They aren't great comics, but they're fun, and for less than $20 on eBay. Marvel and DC have done a lot of cheap reprints, some of it the spendy old crap, I can't complain. And comic strips have been strip-mined, to the point where old nerds finally got stuff like Barnaby and White Boy and other features we only dreamed of, and nobody made any noise about them finally being published. But, then again, there' the issue of quality Captain Marvel and Plastic Man et al (Scribbly/Red Tornado!), and you're shit out of luck outside whatever someone's scanned and posted somewhere. And a lot of publishers/POD outfits put out bleached, lousy collections. And no one's gonna do a print run of Animal Comics or Buster Brown. Still, better situation than when I was growing up and an old comic was like a four-leaf clover.

Russell Grant

Regarding introductions in 48. I know he's beloved and all that, but Stan Lee's kayfabe intros to the masterwork collections that got reprinted again in the fancy Omnibuses are just the worst. Provide zero context outside of how great he was and how much fun they all had and then goofy plot recaps. They get on my nerves anytime. (I'm freshly raw about them as a I just started a Thor read and it's kind of put me off it. )

TimeGentleman

When writing the Kingdom Come section of World's Funnest, did you accommodate for or poke fun at the style's problems (need for copious captions etc) in any way?

Evan Dorkin

To be honest, Stan Lee would be on this list several times if I went farther with it. And his sycophants and apologists. His creativity was only as good as the person he was leaning on in the collaboration.he changed his stories on who did what depending on the changing times and how much he had to protect Marvel and himself. He was "good" for an astonishingly short period of time and couldn't even turn out a credible failure after the Silver Age was over. I was a huge fan and true believer as a kid and teen, but you can't be blinded by nostalgia or bullshit when you find out the truth of these things. Bob Kane was shit, Julius Schwartz was shit, a lot of these "heroes" were shit, and Stan Lieber...was not the great man we were all led to believe. Or the genius writer/creator. It was in his and Marvel's best interests to maintain that hype story and that persona and ingrain it at canon..But in reality, the only successful character Stan Lee ever created all by himself was Stan Lee.

Evan Dorkin

I didn't go for captions because with only three pages there's only so much you can do, and I'd already done the caption bi with the Dark Knight segment. The Kingdom Come segment was really wrapped around one element, which was Mxy realizing he's been painted realistically and flipping out. That was the not-so-hard hitting bit, but for me, his reaction was my take on painted/realistic superhero funnybooks. On the two-page spread he blows the paint right off the characters, revealing the penciling beneath to get to the "part" I like about comics, i.e. the line art (a gag some reviewers and fans gave Alex Ross the credit for). I feel bad when people ask me about the Kingdom Come section in regards to the overall story because I I only read part of the last issue to nail down the details I needed for the script. I knew there was a huge fight at the end -- of course there would be, so I needed the details and any details that might work for us -- like the Golden Age Flash's helmet being Bat-Mite's "ride". I skimmed the other issues after borrowing the comics from a friend at my local shop, but I couldn't read them. Just found it pretentious and kind of garish. Joyless..

Evan Dorkin

There's lots of good work available in a good comic shop, but if you're looking at the Big 2 Marvel/DC (which is actually Viz and Random House these days, to be honest) you're going to see a lot less old-fashioned line work and coloring. Styles change every decade or so. Modern books are still nowhere near as ugly as the average 90's mainstream art job, imo. I still can't look at those.