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Hi guys!

Thank you for your patience! As promised, here’s the master doc of system with the major changes highlighted for your convenience. For those who aren’t particularly interested in the system or leveling up, feel free to overlook this. I will trickle whatever information you need through the story when relevant.

However, it’s a good referral point if something doesn’t make sense. 

As Arielle begins to level up, I’ll show her progress to the next rank with a progress bar and percentages, but for those who like hard numbers, this will explain exactly how she's progressing and how I'm calculating everything. It also explains several aspects of the system as we understand it up to this point.

I want to emphasize that this does not mean the system will take center stage. Now that it’s fixed, it will no longer be handwaved away, but we won't have constant system alerts and stuff to interfere with the narrative. We will really only highlight things like character progress, achievements, and new spells learned/crafted.

I might also later create a separate document (or add to this one) where you can keep track of Ari's progress if you want. I will also respond to any questions here.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hx9jId2Aohwl-taqRF2YMQqD1hzROni7/view?usp=sharing

Thank you,

Onedayokay X

Comments

Nobody

Can you maybe give us a list later of all the chapters you edited? I would want to reread them.

Ve1th

One thing that i feel is missing in the file, is what happens when someone gets to level 500 and isn’t officially promoted as a master? Or is the ascension to ‘master’ (what Ari does now) only titular/formal/essence allowance increase and is completely unrelated to one’s own level? Can someone be in level range of 1000, but still be treated as adept (quota, quests, positions) because he hasn’t been recognized officially for Master? And now that i think about it, if the system can suppress casting ability and epuq usage forcing evaluation - like we’ve seen in the ari case - how the phasewalkers can even exist as a threat and malicious/rogue actor?

Robert Mullins

Once Arielle learns more about authority will that be added to the doc as well?

Kbzzy

Arch-Arch-Mage? Is that a new tier? Will some of the arch mages be referred to this from now on? Like Vitorria and Gio?

Dexter Sinister

If I recall right, what you're describing is one of the big reasons for this system in the first place -- if you reach a level of power you haven't been promoted to you just get stuck where you're at. The point of the system is to create hard bottlenecks for higher power levels to keep the world safe or something. There are a lot of upper adepts apparently ready to become masters who are just unable to progress right now, which is part of why Arielle is getting hate for skipping the line.

Ve1th

But that doesn’t make sense mechanically either. You get stronger by using qi to increase the stats, unrelated to system, with level and exp is just artificial number giving you rank. So if somone is capped at lvl500 because no one recognizes them as master, they can still cast spells, use qi to increase the stats, still get stronger, and if eventually they are recognized - after few years - than what? They retroactively get awarded exp/lvl to reflect on the progress they made and jump to lvl600? Or they are still displayed as lvl 500, but in reality are stronger due to their stats than average mage of that level (and honestly i find it more interesting for the level to be artificial because it limits system boost deus ex-machina progression)

Hauke Sattler

Sorry, your world your rules. But Arch-Archmage sounds quite clunky. How about Grand-Archmage?

onedayokay

haha yeah, it's not really used colloquially which is why it's starred but Grand Archmage is also good

onedayokay

Nope. It's not really used colloquially, it's just there as an official rank which is why it's starred.

Harry Dennehy

Okay, I take back what I said on the last chapter, as I was under the impression that the MC was basically banned from cultivation for being too good at casting magic. Now that I've read this chapter and you've pointed out that humans CAN'T create essences, unlike other races that cultivate them, just like what the dragon said, which in turn generates much more Qi than being shit at spellcasting ever would, it makes a lot more sense. So I'd like to apologise for that rant, because as we now know, Ari is the sole exception (at the moment) who can go down the true Young Mistress route, defy the heavens, and reach immortality. Anyways, now I can see why levelling, Qi, and the system have taken such a back seat, as she won't really be using them much. I still hope improving her stats won't take too long, because like I said before, her human limitations are her biggest weakness when facing faster and stronger opponents. I'd also really love to see you write about the benefits of improving Ari's intelligence, because being able to speed up her thinking and reduce the time she spends overthinking (more likely would mean more overthinking) would be a massive boon. I also recommend going back and pointing out that she's too good at casting spells for the system to do much for her in that first chapter at school, where she learns thousands of spells in one week. Because as you said, she should be hundreds of levels higher after that, but now we know why she isn't. Unlike first-time readers, who will be constantly wondering why she isn't improving her stats despite learning so much magic.

Kaladin

Could you use something other than Arch - Archmage? Grand Mage, Supreme Magus, Arcanalord, Wizard Lord, Archmagus, Magus, Seer, Oracle, Sage, Mystic, etc?

Greg

Once the old chapters are updated, any chance you can drop a PDF or EPUB? I'm looking forward to a re-read. Thank you for the great work!

Kaladin

I'm confused about the new system. Qi is used exclusively for attributes and comes from reference waste or generation, which Ari has done little to none. Rank is tied only to level, which is tied to the systems evaluation of your XP. It is not tied to core development or essence capacity so is tied less to a mages capability and more to their history of what they have accomplished. Level is based on crafted, casted, and learned spells so despite a mage being able to cast arch mage spells if they haven't been casting enough variety of spells they won't level and gain rank. I recommend tying all these closer together thematically so that the world building and lore are more cohesive. The story is great and I think the structure is there, but you'll want in world explanations if power or casting level it's separate from rank and XP possible due to politics, system limitations, or that it isn't and all of the above interact with each other.

onedayokay

Phasewalkers operate by different rules which will be added once we get to that point in the story and they have a whole different system of measuring advancement that I mentioned earlier (which is not recognized by the official system yet). It’s the White Flame, Blue Flame, etc…ranking system. Officially when one is approaching a master level (say they're about twenty or so levels off), they will be prompted by the system. They can either choose to remain at that level or challenge someone a current master for their position. Most will remain comfortable at that level. It’s actually a lot of effort to advance to master because you don’t earn much XP from casting spells (thanks to the diminishing returns) so you’ll earn from crafting and getting achievements both of which get harder as you go up in levels. Most mages stick to learning spells within their lean and the average talented mage learns maybe about 200-500 spells in their entire lifetime. To reach Master through genuine grinding, you need roughly 900 spells, 500 apprentice tier and 400 adept tier. That’s just plain impossible for the majority of mages. So if there isn’t an opening and you’re not particularly ambitious, remaining at this level is easier. You can live comfortably at an adept level for your entire lifetime if you want, reap all the benefits of being a mage, with no significant downside. If they choose to keep advancing and reach a point where they could be master, then they must challenge a sitting master and win. If they do win, they advance. If they lose, they suffer some suppression of their abilities (not total suppression so not too uncomfortable). Same goes if the Master loses. However these cases are very much outliers. Most of the job of the system center is to ensure that these bottle necks don't happen as often. It’s why there’s so much surveillance and they constantly run multiple calculations and even use some divination to ensure that ascension is moving along smoothly and each tier has the right numbers so that no one is stuck at an incongruent level for a while. This is also why they sometimes limit how many graduates an academy can have. Of course, there are strange outliers of outliers every now and then like Arielle. They are dealt with individually by the system center, and if there are a lot of them, the council may consider temporarily expanding the quota and cutting out somewhere else. The quota for masters is a bit more flexible than that for Archmages however this is still not a given and requires significant political push. It would also require political backing for someone to skip tiers. If not for Elric, someone like Arielle would likely have been judged as too much of a threat. Now the system isn’t perfect and the issues associated with having such a system is essentially what underscores the entire story and drives the calls for change. Also the physical attributes are completely divorced from the levelling up system. For example soldiers and purely physical fighters work by a different system of showing rank, depending on what clan or sect they are a part of. Levelling is based purely on magical ability, and that mostly has to do with XP gained from either spell crafting/casting or achievements. Getting powerful through qi generation alone is also horribly inefficient. As mentioned in the master doc, the more skilled you are the less qi you generate. Unless you want to intentionally botch your spells in which case, you're risking serious bodily harm and internal lattice stress for the EPUQ, which can earn you some EPUQ/Grimoire restriction.

onedayokay

Sure when I do edit them I'll add them to the doc

onedayokay

Yup haha thank you. And yes Arielle will advance a lot faster now. She was advancing before I just wasn't tracking/also her system was wonky ** because I was trying to fix aspects of the system

onedayokay

Yup. I'll add the chapter titles I've edited to the doc, and once I edit a books worth (probably for publishing) I will come back and drop the epub and pdf so that you guys have it before I have to take it off patreon.

onedayokay

Thank you and yes the reason the qi generation and attributes aren’t tied into the system is because the system is primarily concerned with the usage of essences and ensuring that it knows the collective magical strength of each mage and mage tier. Increasing attributes through qi generation alone is not very efficient and more skilled mages are less able to do it without seriously harming themselves or their EPUQ (I explained this further in Ve1th’s comment). Rank is tied to magical ability somewhat rather than attributes because spell-casting ability trumps attribute because of the sheer amount of things you can do with spells and teh breadth of attacks you can achieve versus with things like speed and strength. (again as explained in the comment) it’s both down to the number of spells you can learn and cast, and the tier of spells you can learn and cast. "despite a mage being able to cast arch mage spells if they haven't been casting enough variety of spells they won't level and gain rank" Yes this is technically true, but if you can cast three Archmage tier spells, you can probably cast also cast a hundred apprentice tier spells within your lean because the complexity of archmage tier spells is much higher. No one except Arielle is just able to cast Archmage tier spells without being able to also cast every beginner spell within their lean. In conclusion the system will be able to accurately track the ability of 99% of mages. It doesn’t track things like attributes because it’s not the focus of the system.

darkmuch

Do manalings relate to the generation of Qi? Feels like there is some potential overlap there if both are the result of different kind of bad spells. Like if Ari were to form a quick bond with each manaling and properly complete the spell.

Miroslav

tnx for explanation It would be nice if table with ranks is expanded to include, slots per rank, who of main characters is in what rank and restrictions for essence usage

Josh

Supreme might sound presumptive given that there are still tiers above.

Hauke Sattler

Maybe you are right. English is not my first language.

Niklas Nikkinen

Seems fine with a quick glance. Hope it works out now.

Orca

Or High Archmage, Greater Archmage, etc. I'd prefer not to have Arch-Archmage in there myself.

onedayokay

Yup, so usually generation of qi corresponds to generation of more manalings. Not sure what the last part refers to though-"Like if Ari were to form a quick bond with each manaling and properly complete the spell"

darkmuch

I’m not entirely sure how manalings work. But I think they are essentially the half charged remnants of spells that have clumped together. Currently Ari casts 1 big spell to cleave them and set them to rest. But if she wants to train Qi, while not inflicting excess pain on the essences. She could alter this process somehow. Such as bringing each manaling as close to her as possible before cleaving. To catch all the qi. Or just decrease how many she does at once, so she can focus on quantity of casts. If there is any spell I think Ari would want to cast a million times, I would think it would be this one.

HereForHFY

I like Greater, feels the most natural to me to evolve in to Legendary.