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[CLOSED] - The Harry Potter Book Club! - Your Notes for Chapters 9 & 10 of The Order of the Phoenix! (Patreon)

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THIS PART OF THE BOOK CLUB IS NOW COMPLETE! Thanks for taking part, and see you next time!

Oof-Tee-Poof, everyone!! 👋

Here is a chance to get your comment read out in the next Book review video!

If you are reading along with the reviews, we are covering chapters "The Woes of Mrs Weasley" & "Luna Lovegood"! So if you have any thoughts, opinions, comparisons or questions regarding these, please leave a comment below!

I do have to ask, try to keep them fairly short, like 4 or 5 sentences.  That way I can cover more when making the video.  Also try to keep them on subject and not referencing anything that we are yet to cover. Ideally, keep it to 1 comment each if you can (if you have more to say after commenting, you can edit it and add to it! :) ).  These are just rough guidelines rather than rules, I want to be able to fit in as many of you as possible! :)

NEW FEATURE!! - As some of you may want to make a comment, but not have it replied to by others, you can now Message me your thoughts on the chapters by DM'ing me on here.  If you do, please follow all the above rules, especially avoiding mentioning things in future chapters or books!  Oh and please start your DM message with "Book Club -"!

To anyone that does reply to comments below, please make sure you are being friendly and respectful!  A lot of tone and meaning can be lost in text, after all!  If you disagree with someone on something, keep it polite and remember the golden rule in life - Sometimes you have to just agree to disagree! :)

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Jake M

S'mae Vegoozle! Chapter 9 What do you think Lucius was doing there? "What are Fred and I, next door neighbours?" - I think this is my favourite George quote in the entire series! 🤣 I do feel sorry for the twins, though. Their mother clearly only values academic success and not business acumen. Even had they been made prefects, only one of them could have been- there seems to be 1 male and 1 female per house, and I doubt Dumbledore/McGonagall would have changed that just to appease Mrs Weasley! I do wonder though, who were the Gryffindor prefects before Ronmione but after Wetherby? We never heard about them so they must have been pretty meh! Chapter 10 My favourite character has arrived! "You're just as sane as I am." 🤣 As you pointed out in a Goblet of Fire book club, movie Harry should have been able to see the winged horses earlier, given he murdered Quirrell. In the book however, he passed out before Voldemort left him for dead so it didn't count. Or so the author claimed 🙄 Hope you both have a great month! Any gardening plans for the summer?

Josh Z

There are some sobering things in these chapters that remind you of the stakes. Molly's total emotional breakdown and Harry realizing that so many people in the old group photo are dead and how stupid his petty jealousy is, all great moments that sell the dangers of what is happening now. Luna is way more of an odd and quirky character in the books too, although Evanna Lynch was wonderful

Inseriousity

I suspect a lot of the comments in the book club are going to be about Molly's boggart and rightly so. On a lighter note, I was 11 when this book came out and the "What are Fred and I? Next door neighbours?" comment made me laugh so much. What do you think of the humour in the books so far especially when you compare to the movies?

K

Hi Veggie & Woozle! Based on what we know about a prefect’s duties, do either Ron or Harry seem like a good fit for the role? Up until now neither of them take any interest in helping out younger students and sometimes Ron is somewhat rude towards them. Not to mention neither of them are rule followers! My pick would be Dean, personally.

Jo Winters

Hello Veggie! How are you doing? How do you like this book so far? Chapter 9 I have to comment on this meeting between Lucius and Harry. I really like how it is written, because it is so realistic. Of course Harry would be shocked—Lucius had taken an evil part in his most horrific trauma and now he is standing there, as Kreacher would say, "bold as brass." (I love Kreacher!) I feel bad for Sirius; he is clearly so broken and depressed. His behaviour is also realistic. I am tired of the "perfect victim" idea. People who went through trauma, and especially as long as Sirius did, rarely behave saintly and perfectly. Even people who had normal lives can sometimes be selfish or jealous or unreasonable. Good people don't need to be always perfectly good, and bad people are not always bad in every moment (even people as bad as Ted Bundy). The whole storyline about Ron becoming a prefect is great! Hermione's reaction gave me second-hand embarrassment—poor Hermione and poor Ron. Harry being envious about it is something that makes him more realistic and humanises him a lot. Especially realistic for a teen. I'm sure you will mention it in the video, but just in case: What did you think about Harry's reaction to the photo? It's quite different than in the movie. He is very unhappy to see it. The scene with Mrs Weasley is something I think about a lot and was my first thought when boggarts and Riddikulus were first mentioned. Some things are nearly impossible to make funny. Spider? Sure. Cockroach? Sure. Your dead child? My biggest fear is something gruesome, depressing, and terrible too. Poor Mrs Weasley—nearly made me cry. Chapter 10 Luna is so gloriously awkward. The article about Sirius is gold. Dumbledore... what are you doing, mate? Why are you giving more power to Malfoy when he is already a bully? How do you like the new magical creatures in this chapter? I am quite fond of them, I don't know why. They are one of my favourites.

John Phillips

I think it's interesting how this time Harry is jealous at Ron for a moment rather than the other way around. How the tables have turned. Luna is definitely more eccentric and weirder in the books than in the movies and I think a lot of people forget that. Luna is a bit odd in the movies but it's definitely toned down compared to the books. Also, in the book it was Ginny who introduced Harry to Luna, not Hermione. This is another example of the movies giving other characters' moments to her. It makes more sense that Ginny would already know Luna before any of the trio would because Luna is in the same year as Ginny.

Raider Max

Even in Molly's darkest fears, she couldn't see the twins being apart which is absolutely heart breaking. Ron becoming prefect was such an amazing shock to me since I saw the movie first. I absolutely loved that for him.

Sandra

Hi Veggie :) I love Ginny standing up for Neville when he puts himself down, and being enthusiastic to sit with Luna. These two interactions give her more personality than the whole film franchise.

John Phillips

I think in the 7th book it's said by Molly that Gideon and Fabien Prewett were her brothers.

Alias93

Hi Veggie! I understand why they didn't include Ron and Hermione being prefects in the movie, but it adds a very interesting dynamic to the trio. For the first time, Harry is jealous of Ron. He has always been envious of Ron's family, but more in a ''I wish I had this too'' way, and not ''it should be me and not him''. He doesn't want to feel this way, but he can't really help it. It gives a new perspective on Ron's behavior in GoF. Moody showing the old Order of the Phoenix picture to Harry is so different from the movie, it's not a touching moment but a rather disturbing one for Harry. Luna feels very different from her movie version already. In the movie it seems like nothing can really affect her, while here she gets upset that Hermione insulted her father's magazine (which btw is much more an Hermione thing to do rather than accidentally calling Luna by her nickname in front of her). Do you think this Luna would have minded being called "Loony"? Did you ever expect to hear about Fudge cooking goblins into pies, or about Sirius's secret identity as a singing sensation?

John Phillips

I checked the Deathly Hallows book at the part where Molly gives Harry a watch as a present for his 17th birthday and she said it was her brother Fabian's (it didn't mention his last name).

Alias93

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Alias93

[spoilers, do not read this Veggie] Knowing Dumbledore, I think he might have picked Ron as a prefect to help him develop his leadership qualities that the trio could need in the future.

Gugurupurasu Daikirai

She gives Harry a watch that belonged to Fabian for his 17th birthday, I always thought it was weird the books didn't dive a little bit deeper into that backstory considering it should have been big info that Molly lost two brothers to the Death Eaters. You'd figure Mad Eye would have mentioned it when showing the picture

Embran

Hallo, Veggie! Ch. 9 Wow, for such a poor family it´s surprising Ron isn´t used to labor or at least help out. I very much like Harry´s self-reflection over his deeds compared to Ron. Tonks looks more suited next to Sirius. Same rebellious, misbehaving character. I totally forgot Kingsley present. He the one wondering why Dumbledore didn´t make Harry Prefect.? Usually he doesn´t express his opinions. Hah, Mad-Eye checking the food made by Molly for poison. Now i feel he only readily accept consumable gifts by Dumbledore himself. Ch. 10 Book Luna even more a treat! Now i wonder how the actress would have sounded transitioning from aloof dream-state to laughing fit and then serious when someone scoff´s at her father´s pride - the newspaper. A bit odd one is expected to stay in a seperate prefect compartment. And that Ron follows up on that. percy, Malfoy and Hermione of course wether out of sense of responsibility or superiority. Till next time. Give my love to Woozle.

Nessy-Bobs

Hi to all Percy being a poo-poo head for blanking his father and Harry. Patronus Potter is good at escaping {snake-like}. The fountain gets fed a crap-ton of money when Harry empties his wallet into it. Love the mental image of the kids prancing about like Red Injuns wardancing. Sirius might be jealous about Harry going back to Hogwarts, as he may have been expecting some company. Burping waste paper basket. wish I had one. It would make tidying up more fun. The twins counting off the bad things happening to all the previous DADA teachers. Ickle Ronniekins is now a Prefect {"Mum's going to be REVOLTING"} Hermione's disbelief and shock lol Fred and George are now the next-door neighbours. MollyWobbles nearly having a heart attack when Ron asks for a new broom. twins offering to curtsy to Ron instead of kissing him. Lumpy-coated Dung trying to stiff the twins on the contraband. Ron enthusing about his new broom, mentioning the "Which/Witch Broomstick" sounds similar to the "Which..." muggle consumer magazines Harry fretting about Molly finding out he funded the twins' venture I found it odd Harry getting irked about having the photo of the Pheonix members foisted on him by Moody, but it was ok in the film when Sirius gave it to him. Lupin's reassurance they won't let the kids starve if anything happens to Molly and Arthur is heartbreaking Lord Moldybutt lurking behind a dustbin to pounce on an unsuspecting Harry sounds funny. Neville has a new toy in the form of a stunted cactus which squirts StinkSap as a defence mechanism. "I must not look like a baboons' backside" "Stubby Boardman" The horseless coaches are no longer horseless.

Gugurupurasu Daikirai

Heya Woozle and Veg, A lot of Harry's thought processes are understandable considering previous events but one I won't give him a full pass on is that Harry seems to be developing a bit of an ego in this book. Begrudging Ron being picked over himself as prefect is one of his ugliest moments in the books so far. He even knows it himself that he is being pretty rotten to think that way when he questions whether he is being as arrogant as Malfoy. Ron actually makes perfect sense as the choice if you think about it. Harry was exempt from final exams in Goblet because Barty put him in the Tournament (and did most of the work for him). Ron and Hermione were not exempt from their exams but that did not stop them from giving up their time to help Harry with the tournament. Ron ended up taking most of the stunning spells Harry was practicing for the third task because Hermione didn't want to. Taking on extra responsibilities aside from your own is the foundation of what a prefect is supposed to be. Ron being wizard born and raised also makes him make even more sense because he will have information to help potential muggle born/raised first years adjust like he did in earlier books with Harry and Hermione, and even now Harry being muggle raised wouldn't have learned nearly as much about the wizarding world as someone who reads like Hermione. Harry would be an awful prefect, maybe not as bad as Fred or George but he is overly emotional, impulsive, and he sometimes avoids other students when they're staring at him because he's famous or there is printed about him in the newspaper, all not good traits in a prefect. Dumbledore was doing him a favor by passing him over. What Dumbledore was thinking by making Malfoy a prefect is another matter, though potentially Snape may have actually had the final say on that because Slytherin and if it was Snape that was a fairly decent way to troll Harry We finally get more Ravenclaw representation with Luna showing up and thanks to her and her father's magazine we know what Kingsley thought Sirius would find amusing in the Quibbler. Still have to wait to see if there's a payoff for that blank picture which even sassed Harry near the end of Chapter 9 though. After this book was released they auditioned over 15000 girls for the part of Luna, Evanna Lynch was and is known to be a massive book fan so any differences were the script writers' fault.

SavageKim

Hi Veggie! Chapter 9 - Harry's humanity shows again in his initial reaction to Ron being made Prefect. But he quickly understands that he needs to show Ron he's not jealous/upset because he doesn't want to be a crappy friend. I also liked how Hermione had a moment like that too. Molly & Arthur weren't part of the original Order, but in the hospital wing at the end of Goblet, Dumbledore asks Molly if he's right to assume he can count on their help going forward, and she agrees. There are many moments I forget about, only remembering until I reread the books. Molly's boggart is NOT one of them. Chapter 10 - Ginny gets to show more personality and it's great. Actually all the kids get so much more character here. It's great. Hoping you are well!

Jo Winters

I know! She didn't mean anything wrong but it was so hard to get out of it.

NOam Gold-Utting

Hi Veggie and Woozle, not a frequent commenter on here as often most people have already covered my thoughts by the time I get to the post. But I wanted to jump on to comment on the moment Mad Eye shows Harry the photo of the original Order and the change in the film to this being Sirius. It turns what is in the book quite a traumatic wake up call for Harry about the reality of the war path the Wizarding world is on and changes it in the film to a sweet moment between Harry and Sirius, I'm sure there are some who like this change but for me it takes away what is a raw and necessary moment in Harry's development and a key motivator in so many future decisions to try to avoid seeing others put in danger. Also because you've asked in the past, I often listen to the book reviews in one ear while watching my daughter on the playground.

Music Here

-I must admit I chuckled when Lucius greeted Harry saying “well, well, well...Patronus Potter”. Ginny, Fred and George doing a war dance and chanting "he got off!" is also hilarious. -I like the prefect badge moment and how Harry processes it in his head. I need to see this scene in the HBO series but it's mainly inner dialogue. How can they do it? -Lupin said in Prisoner that no one knows what a Boggart looks like when they're alone. Did Moody see that when he looked up through the ceiling with his magical eye? 🤯 -It's Luna Lovegood! Obviously we can't have Ginny introduce her in the movie, even though they're in the same year so it would make sense, because god forbid Ginny gets some screentime.... -It's nice to get an explanation why Luna is reading The Quibbler upside down. It's not just that she's "quirky". -I think Luna in general is a lot more unhinged and well-rounded in the book: the unfiltered comments, laughing harder than everyone else, getting angry at Hermione. I think they took the "dreamy" side of her a bit too far in the movie. But I still like the movie version.

jolt45

What's up Veggie and lovely Woozle? Ch 9: You might as well add "Molly's Boggart" to the 'best scenes left out of the movie' poll now because it is easily in my top 3 for this book. If pressed, I'd have to rank it 2nd behind a scene that is yet to come. From a narrative standpoint, it makes a lot of sense for this scene to be placed here. The gang is about to go back to Hogwarts and, oh by the way, this War is one where children will likely die. I feel like Rowling does a good job of lulling you into a sense of comfort and then reestablishing a sense of dread and anxiety over and over again throughout the last three books. The fear of a mother is an underused trope in war stories but it is expertly portrayed here through Molly's dread. How can she make the corpse of her children or her husband "ridiculous"? She simply can't. Nor should she be able to. Molly's fears are given great context by Moody's photograph in the prior scene: 1) It wasn't just order members that were killed last time (according to Moody), families of Order members were targeted too. 2) Molly and Arthur weren't in the Order last time. When Voldemort fell Ron was 1 year and 8 months old, Ginny was 3 months old, F&G were 3, Percy 5, Charlie 8, and Bill was about to turn 11. He would be going to Hogwarts for the first time the following year. Molly and Arthur simply didn't have the time nor felt the need to endanger their family the first time around. PS: As you know from comments in the past, Molly's maiden name is Prewett. Moody mentions two Prewett's that were killed last time. No word yet on if or how they are related to Molly. Ch: 10: Enter Luna. Neville is a menace, bwahahaha.

Maria

Hi Veggie! Sorry for the long comment! I took some things out, but it's still a lot of text. We finally get to meet Luna Lovegood! When I was in a high school, a friend told me that of all the Harry Potter characters, I was most like Luna. At the time I was a little offended; but, now I take it as a compliment! She is such a cool character. Plus, did you ever think anyone was ever going to bring up Padma Patil and Ron at the Yule Ball again? That was kind of hilarious. Sirius's emotional journey is so complicated in these chapters! I really do feel for him. He and Harry are on parallel tracks, both feeling alone and excluded, even though they are surrounded by people. The moment where Sirius hugs Harry as a dog almost made me cry! On another note, I totally forgot about Sirius Black singing sensation. That made me laugh out loud! I do think that young Sirius probably had the right attitude to be in a rock band. I think Neville would be a better prefect than either Harry or Ron, but he lacks the confidence to be an authority figure. So, it's probably best that Ron became a prefect instead. Also, HE GOT OFF, HE GOT OFF!!! Edit: I was just watching your review of the previous two chapters, and all the talk about squibs and Dementors made me wonder if squibs go to Azkaban. If a squib committed a crime, I am thinking they would go to muggle prison instead. If there were squibs in Azkaban, I think Fudge would know if they can see Dementors or not.

Garfnob

Greetings, (forgive the spelling errors, sorry for the difficult read some times) Chapter – 9 - How is it hard to find a Dark Arts teacher? He has the hole order to choose from; ok some have their own job to do but there has to be a few. - Why did Rom get prefect? OK, Harry did not get it do to “all the mad stuff”, but that does not make it automatically Ron. In their year there is still Neville, Seamus, and Dean. - Molly’s bogart shows how must she cares for Harry so much better than her words earlier. Chapter – 10 - I thought Black did a good job acting like a dog. Name one thing he did that was not dog like. - How is the thestral’s berth invisible? It is just condensed vapor. Also How is it that could on September 1st? I live in an area that is known for its could and that is a rarity.

Diego Zenhäusern

WFFTITWFF Veggie! It is a little morbid, but I always thought that Molly seeing Harry alongside the rest of her family in the boggart scene is one of the sweetest moments in the books. I really shows you how completely she see's him as part of her family.😊😭 Neville:"I'm nobody..." Ginny:"No you're not!" Gotta love Ginny for immediately standing up for Neville!🥰 Lastly, I don't know why people were lying to you in the last book club by saying that Fudges middle name was Oswald when it actually is "Goblin crusher"🤷‍♂️🙃

Zachary Wynn

Justice for Dean! He should have been prefect.

Yankee Veg

What happened to 4-5 sentences? Have a ❤️

Yankee Veg

Hi, Veggie! Molly's woes brilliantly show not only Molly's heart, but the heart of most moms. Most people don't see the constant worry. Still a Percy fan? Thank you for all your hard work for our entertainment, Veggie! You're the best.

S1lm4r1l

"Commander they're only rookies, come on, I train on Level 9." - This is an incredibly obscure reference. :D During the previous chapters Mr Weasley talked to Bode in the lift, he points Bode out at the Quidditch World Cup as someone who works in the Department of Mysteries. Harry asking the right questions: Why was Lucius Malfoy on Level 9? At the beginning of Book 4, you questioned whether any member of the Wizarding world had been to Space. The Quibbler can exclusively reveal that a Wizard has flown to the moon and brought back some Moon Frogs to prove it. Wonder if Mundungus bought/sold them? Does the Boggart know when Mad Eye is looking at it? Did it transform into the thing Mad Eye fears most whilst still inside the writing desk? If not, what is its true form?

Matleo143

Is the fact Fudge and luscius are outside the department of mysteries a spoiler at this point? I don’t think first time readers will know that just yet

Alias93

Well it wouldn't technically be a spoiler since the elevator mentionned the department of mysteries being on that floor, but I noticed that Veggie didn't pick up on it in the last book club, so I think he forgot about its significance to the story of this book or it being mentionned in book 4. He also doesn't know what the "weapon" is, so I think we can assume any information provided by the movie to still be a spoiler for this book.

Madikuma95

I think everyone's been ignoring that rule for a good while, now. 😅

Matleo143

Hi Veggie Longtime listener, but first time commentator. Thanks for the hours of entertainment. I’m hoping you or the book club can shed some light on Lucius saying “snake like” when referencing Harry’s escape from Voldy. Even on my umpteenth time of reading - I still don’t understand this comment or the tone it’s delivered with on the audio book. I think I may be over thinking - but it’s a bizarre comment for luscius to make. This used to be my least favorite book in the series - but it’s now one of my favorites. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on all the character developments in this book. P.s - prep has started for this years scarecrow festival - can you guess who it is yet? (profile pic)

Madikuma95

He got off! He got off! He got off! "What are Fred and I, next-door neighbors?" is one of the funniest lines in the series! I always found it odd for Ron to be a prefect; he's not exactly a model student. But maybe Dumbledore wanted to give him some responsibility and self-confidence. Also, does Molly not know the truth about Scabbers? She mentions him so casually. I much prefer the movie version of Sirius showing Harry the photo of the old Order, rather than Moody. It's such a heartwarming moment between them! And I completely understand why the movie didn't include the boggart scene. In the OotP audiobook, Hermione starts pronouncing S.P.E.W. as "spew". Apparently this is a mistake, but I always saw it as her 'giving in' to Ron a little. I don't know why the movie made Hermione introduce Luna instead of Ginny, especially with Hermione calling Luna "loony". It feels out of character. I can't imagine movie Luna showing anger or laughing loudly! Jim Dale's voice for her is very different from her actress, being deep and slow rather than high-pitched and dainty. Usually Dale's voices are spot-on to the movie. Also, the "dragon-horses" are my favorite HP-original creature! Did you enjoy the articles in the Quibbler? What is Stephen Fry's voice for Luna like?

Ashley Evers

Ooftypoof Veggie and Woozle! I’ve been bracing myself for this chapter since we got to Grimmauld place (I couldn’t remember if it happened before or after the trial). I had to make sure I wasn’t out for a walk or something when I listened, because Molly facing the boggart will make me cry every single time. For me, it is the most powerful moment in the books. Molly’s fear is so relatable and her reaction is so heartbreaking. It destroys me every time. And then we followed it up with meeting one of the best Harry Potter characters, lovely, looney Luna. I don’t hear a lot of people complain about the changes, but she is already pretty different from the movie version. Once again, the movie is reluctant to actually let characters be flawed. In contrast, it's so understandable that everyone feels a little awkward around Luna in this scene. It is such a good moment for Ginny. While Harry and Neville seem nervous to associate with Luna, Ginny doesn’t let them get away with that and treats Luna normally. The book in contrast to the movie is really focusing on the very human, potentially flawed emotions everyone is experiencing. It’s impressive how well we understand both Harry and Ron’s reactions to the Prefect situation, or to Luna’s awkwardness, or why Sirius is willing to take such big risks. What do you think of the Quibbler? 🤣 Which of the stories do you think is the most believable?

Esmeralda Joy

Hi Veggie! I have never understood why Sirius had to be trapped in the house. Even without being an animagus, there are numerous spells, potions and disguises he could use to go out. He's a skilled wizard and he is rich. This should not be a problem.

Florian

Hi Veggie, What do you think about everyone's reaction to Ron and Hermione becoming prefects? What do you think about Luna how she is described in the book vs portraied in the movie?

Alias93

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Alias93

Maybe Lucius is referring to the fact Harry was outed as a parselmouth by Rita Skeeter, which made him seem untrustworthy in the eyes of Fudge (although that would be a bit weird coming from a proud slytherin like Lucius). Or maybe he was trying to trigger Harry's fears after what happened with Nagini at the end of the last book?

Howiedoing

The Woes of Mrs Wesley what a heartbreaking scene and you would imagine a lot of parents worst fear especially during these dark times. Moody looked right into the wardrobe to identify that it was a Bogart. I wonder what a Bogart looks like and it’s true form? The s Super Carlin brothers have some interesting theories on this without a doubt I highly recommend checking their channel out after finishing the story maybe even react to some of their bigger theories. PS How did the lawn come out so far this year after aeration last year?

Paulina

Hi, Veggie and baby Wozzle, I hope you're both doing well 😊 Chapter 9 • Sirius is emotionally stuck in the past. He’s still acting like a rebellious teen even though he’s in his 30s. Totally get why he’s upset Harry’s not staying with him, but he’s being selfish and not regarding Harry’s feeling at all. He is not the emotional support that Harry needs and a parent/guardian should provide. • Molly’s breakdown was heartbreaking. She’s holding so much fear while trying to keep it all together for everyone. It really shows how serious the situation is now that Voldemort’s back. And why people fear to even say his name. Chapter 10 • The mental image of Voldemort hiding behind a bin and jumping to get Harry is hilarious. Also Sirius being all excited like a little puppy when he was let out made me laugh so much. 🤣 • Luna is so sweet and funny, and Neville being scared of her is peak comedy. • Harry calling Luna and Neville "not cool" is so wrong. Honestly, he’s the uncool one here.

Will

Hi Veggie. If Dumbledore is the one who picks the prefects, why would he choose Draco? (I know, because him and Crabbe and Goyle are the only Slytherin males we know so far) Why not Blaize Zabini? (he was mentioned in the first book, I checked) Hermione calls Pansy a cow. We all know how I feel about that. Now that Luna has been introdued, I can finally tell you. A lot of people ship Luna with Neville, due to the movies. But some people also ship her with Ron. I was never really into this ship, and still am not. But rereading these chapters, I finally see why some would ship them. Luna finds Ron absolutely hilarious, so far. And he's not used to that from girls. So he thinks she's mocking him. Might edit

Kunzite Blossom

I am getting to this fairly late due to work keeping me busy and most of what I wanted to say has been said. So Keeping this super short. Mrs Weasley has such a hard time in this chapter. I can't imagine going through all that. Though I assume that would be most parents fears. Side note: As sad as it is, her seeing Harry also is so lovely knowing he really is apart of her family. Thoughts on Ron and Hermione being made prefects? As well as everyone's reaction to Ron specifically. You finally get to meet Luna! Luna was great in the films, but I love book Luna so much.

Garfnob

" If Blaize had been introduced already, surely he would have been prefect." - by definition that is a spoiler. talking about things Veggie cannot know yet. he does not know if Blaize is movie elusive.

Will

Good point, I'll edit that.

Dustin Baum

PREFECT?! I love Fred & George's banter. It may seem childish and mean-spirited at times, but it's the kind of humor I like and the type of banter I would have with my older brother and cousins growing up and always brings a smile to my face, which we need a lot of in this book. I've also been listening to the audiobook but I listen to Jim Dale's version, and while I think his Tonks voice is alright, I think his Luna voice could use a little work. I think the actress in the movie did a perfect job.

Milana

Hi Veggie!! This is where you *definitely* start getting how disappointing movies were for book readers! Even the mundane stuff is so fascinating. And the Harry’s prefects internal struggle? So real, would never happen to the perfect boy we had in movies. Don’t know if it’s been said yet, but Prewett is Molly’s maiden name which means she lost 2 brothers in the first war - makes the whole boggart scene so much more poignant. I remember her crying and saying she’s a silly woman broke my heart -she is truly someone who knows what this war means and costs. Makes more sense why she’s trying to shield Harry and other kids from it for as long as she can, doesn’t it. Also Sirius staring at the ‘dead Harry body’. So dark but so needed.

Cj Hayes

G’day Veggie! Hope you are having a lovely week. Chapter 9 “Yeah, I’m good at escaping” I love Harry’s sass!! I wish we had more of it in the movies. Were you surprised at Ron becoming a prefect and Harry’s jealousy? Hermione’s reaction cracked me up. I love how Harry keeps helping F+G with their joke shop, even unintentionally. What did you think of the picture Moody showed? I’ve heard some opinions that it was unfair of Moody to show it. Chapter 10 Yay we meet Luna! The Silver Trio is complete. And you finally find out why Sirius would find the Quibbler funny. Keep in mind the part about Harry wishing he was with cooler people. I’m with Harry on this one, I can’t imagine Fudge ordering goblins to be cooked in pies, no matter how he’s acting now lol Intro of the thestrals! Love from Australia

Grace

Greetings Veggie!! In the past, I have always read Molly's outbursts as frustrated love. I always felt as though her overbearing mothering style comes from her losing her brothers. It comes from a deep rooted and real fear for her childrens well being. Of course it doesn't mean she hasn't made mistakes but I can see where she's coming from. This chapter is always painful to read, and even though I get why the films didn't include it, it could've been one of the best scenes in the whole movie series. On a lighter note, WE MEET LUNA! Harry, I like you, but never disrespect Neville and Luna like that. Although, interesting that he doesn't think that Ginny is "uncool" like he does for Neville and Luna :) I wonder what his opinion of Ginny is now, we have never really seen Harry talk about her in his monologues. Do you think Ginny still has feelings for him, considering that she doesn't seem nervous around him anymore and talks pretty normally?

Alias93

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Alias93

[spoilers, do not read this Veggie] Harry slowly realising and coming to terms with his feelings for Ginny is one of my favourite things from HBP, the internal monologue creates some of the funniest moments of the series.

Grace

I agree, the monster metaphor is hilarious to me. And a little odd at first but now I find it very funny. Every time I read OOTP, I always wanna smack Harry in the head whenever he thinks about Cho. He's got the perfect girl right in front of his eyes and doesn't even realise it. Took him long enough to even notice her, let alone like her.

Steven

Hey wonderful Veggie & The lovely Noodle! Chapter 9 is full to the brim with great stuff! It seems bizarre that Dumbledore wouldn’t tell Mr Weasley about the trial's outcome. What reason would he have for not telling him? Fred and George getting involved with illegal substances as ingredients for their products, which are primarily sold to school students, is worrying. I love the twins, but this is particularly bad even for them. Imagine if Rita Skeeter was able to find out and write an article about this. Ron becoming a prefect is so nice to see. My heart truly breaks for Molly here. We’ve been saying since we first met her at the start of these book clubs how much she sees Harry as one of her own, but this does solidify it; this chapter does a fantastic job at showing how trauma doesn’t just hit the battlefield—it creeps into the quiet moments at home too. And chapter 10 finally introduces us to Luna! She does leave us with an unforgettable first impression.

Andrew K

Hi Veggie, hope you’re doing great! Ron asking for a broom was a really sweet moment to me. The innocence when he’s deciding which one to pick was nice, because he’s finally got something to be rewarded for and to be proud of. I find Harry’s conflict about the prefect situation really interesting, it’s a really wonderful dive into this flawed character that we don’t see enough in the movies. I believe that no matter what, Harry would’ve found something to be angry about, because that is simply his state of mind at the time. If he HAD been given the role of prefect, he could have easily gone down the route of “why would Dumbledore do this? Why has he given me something else to worry about? Haven’t I got enough on my plate without having to parole corridors and have other responsibilities?” I don’t think it’s truly about jealousy, or Ron at its core, of course there’s elements of it but think it all stems from Harry’s growing negativity, heightened emotions, trauma, etc. Do you think there’s any substance to Malfoy’s “dogging” comment? Do you think he knew Sirius was there or just a coincidence and paranoia from the characters? P.S. We Want Truth! (R-Truth reference)

Maddie

Hi Woozle and Veggie! Harry feeling bad about his resentment of Ron becoming a prefect is one of my favorite Harry moments because it shows his good character by not giving in to those nasty thoughts. As flawed as he is, he's still a really decent person. I think it's also really sweet when Harry was feeling a little lost because he's never traveled in the train without Ron before. And lastly, I just love how chaotic the scenes are in the train compartment. From the squirting cactus to Cho's appearance and Luna's prolonged laughter and Hermione insulting the Quibbler and Luna getting all offended. Any scene with Luna is just gold.

itsanursething

Hi Veggie and Woozle! Didn’t read all the comments ahead of me so apologies for anything that’s already been covered. So much packed into Ch 9! I didn’t remember a lot, but there was one bit that I’ve never forgotten. Molly’s encounter with the boggart. What breaks my heart the most about this is that she saw the twins dead together. She can’t even imagine one without the other. So what happens to Fred in the end must have been absolutely devastating for her. Speaking of, no one knows what a boggart looks like, right, because it’s a shape shifter. So then what does Moody see when he looks through the floor and the desk? Does the boggart know Moody is looking at it? Does it become Moody’s greatest fear? Or is it in its true form? Also, let’s give some props to the twins! They may not take their studies as seriously as Molly may want, but you can’t deny how smart they are. Inventing potions and jinxes and pranks takes a lot of knowledge as well as creativity and skill. Personally, I’ve always been impressed by them. Reading the books originally, I never really “got” Luna. I needed Evanna to bring her to life for me. Now she’s one of my favorite characters! How did you like this introduction to Luna? Well, I’ve rambled long enough! Until next time!

Alexandra

Hi Veggie and Woozle! I’m officially done university! It took me nine years but I will hopefully be graduating in October. Most of my thoughts have probably been said but I did just want to talk about Ron. Ron is one of my absolute favourite characters and he gets a lot of hate but I find him so interesting and realistic. I just feel really bad that he is made to feel like he can’t be proud of being a Prefect because he doesn’t want to seem like Percy and because he feels guilty for getting it over Harry. And I do appreciate that, though Harry is a little mean in his initial thoughts, he checks himself and realizes that Ron is his friend and he should be happy for him even if he is a little disappointed for himself. Hope you’re having a good June! Greetings from myself and Walter in New Brunswick.

PumpkinSparks

well, concerning Moody and the boggart: in book 3 we learn that boggarts don't appear to anyone seeing them as their worst fear, but they kinda choose the person (it is implied that it is the closest one). Otherwise the students wouldn't have been able to see the biggest fears of the other students. So it is very heavily implied that the boggart needs to know who is looking at them. My head canon therefore is, that Moody is one of the very very few people, who actually know what a boggart looks like (there must have been others throughout history with similar prosthetic eyes) What bothers me way more about that scene is that in book 3 it is also established that Ridiculus forces the Boggart to be turned into something ridiculous and it is the observers laughter that defeats it - nothing like that happens here. Lupin uses Ridiculus and the Boggart just explodes......... Now, there are heavy head gymnastics we could make to explain all of that (even Moody being able to see the boggart is us readers having to come up with explanations...), but tbf for me this is one of the many instenses, where the author is just super inconsistent in her writing, and forgets/doesn't care about the lore she already established...........

PumpkinSparks

Hey Wozzles human 😬 I'm in a bit of a time pickle at the moment, and I tried to skip over some comments to not repeat stuff, but I sadly don't have the time and energy to make sure this time. I've seen Ron mentioned in some, but havn't seen my thought, so hopefully it hasn't been chewed on too much... I'm so proud of Ron! He really deserves something he earned on his own. All his life he was always in the shadow of his bigger brothers, the last son before his mother finally got a girl (and then stopped having kids!), never really amounting to the extraordinary. His biggest acomplishement was "being the best friend of Harry Potter" - at least in his mind. And now he got something that is truly his. And he is so proud of it! He obviously hides it, like a too cool 15 year old would, but even to oblivious Harry it's super obvious that he really treasures that badge. And good on his mom, to put him in the limelights for his achievement and rewarding him (like she did with her other kids) no matter how tough times are right now. He REALLY needed that! Speaking of Molly, that boggart scene broke my heart. I've seen others talking about it, so I won't linger. But the moment that Sirius came in and saw "dead Harry", and Harry saw his mother figure and his #1 father figure seeing him dead breaks my heart for all 3 everytime. ......... I'm saying #1 father figure, cause Harry acutally has quite a lot of good father figures, but I think he sees them more like "uncle figures" like Hagrid and Lupin

Simon audsley

"There is no way, NO way that you came from my loins. The first thing I'm gonna do when I get home is punch your momma in the mouth" Poor old molly bet that book exclusive scene came as a shock to you though I think if I had written the scene I would have had harry finding molly weeping over the corpse of Percy first rather than ron just so you think has molly killed percy in an argument but that would have only worked as a cliffhanger. Find out a lot more about the tragedy of the original order of the phoenix, and a bit more of Sirius personality and also harry. Finally we get introduced to another of my favourite characters Luna much prefer the book version to the film I don't really see her as the same character at all. Who knew Sirius was moonlighting as the lead singer of the hobgoblins, he's a dark horse that one....well dark dog. Would have been fun to see fred and George look at ron with contempt and say splitter after seening the prefect badge.

PumpkinSparks

Congratulations on pulling through and getting through university! As someone who worked while studying and not being able to do as much as others at the same time, I do feel your pain! For me it turned out to be too much in the end and I had to stop studying... you can be really proud!

Q

Hi Veggie and Woozle! What a pair of chapters! Chapter 9: 1. Harry's reaction to seeing Lucius Malfoy is such a gut-punch, a reminder of how much trauma is lurking for him. 2. I think Hermione is both right and a little harsh about Sirius. He's very lonely, and he wants to have Harry close, even though he also knows that Harry needs to go to Hogwarts. It's hard to blame him for having complicated, conflicting feelings, and I think he's doing his best to cope with them and put on a happy front for Harry, even if he's not great at it. 3. "What are Fred and I, next door neighbors?" I imagine Molly's reaction would sting a bit, but given how Fred and George kept teasing Ron and laughing, and Molly's boggart later, I don't think it's really an indication of how she feels or that Fred and George took it to heart. 4. Harry's reaction to Ron becoming prefect is so human, and I love it. 5. I'm sure lots has been said about the rest of this chapter, but shout-out to Lupin, who is once again MVP of every scene he's in. Chapter 10: 1. And my all-time favorite character appears at last! I love Luna so much. The movies did a pretty good job with her I think, but as always, the book is still so much better! I'll cut myself off there, missed the last couple book clubs but couldn't possibly skip this one!

Gothic Llama

Hi Veggie and Woozle! I missed a couple of book clubs as I've been busy with moving and renovating my new flat. Thankfully it's almost done! Now, onto my regular Ginny-centric comment! I think this book is where I really started liking Ginny, there's just so much of her! I love that she's so giggly and carefree, and she's basically the third, unofficial twin to Fred and George (I think their humour is very similar). On one hand I don't like Ginny calling Luna "Loony", but on the other I think Luna doesn't really mind. She always seemed to me like a very confident person who doesn't care what other people think of her. Also, that whole train carriage scene felt like Ginny was the only extrovert in there. Lastly, I can understand the Quibbler article about Sirius - he does give off that rockstar vibe.

Kattie Martin

Hi Veggie, I’m so happy Harry was able to look into himself and feel happy for Ron. Everyone assuming Harry would get prefect and acting surprised about Ron was sad. Considering most of the Weasley boys were prefects you would think Ron was the more obvious choice and I’m so happy Mrs. Weasley was able to make it special for him. I also like how it shows that she’s hiding how worried she is about her family and why she is so against the kids being brought in. I’m sure by now I’ve heard your opinion on Luna. She’s a great character and her telling Harry he’s just as sane as her was great.

H

Hi V & W!  When I imagine book Molly in my head, it's THAT moment I imagine. A great and horrible scene. Some things I like in these chapters: - Moody's way of congratulating Ron and Hermione, with a little sprinkle of paranoia.  - The "BUT DOES HE?" thing from the Quibbler articles. - Luna's comment about Padma/Ron/the Yule ball, about how she wouldn't have a problem with it since she doesn't like to dance. - Luna's laugh at Ron's joke. - Just Luna in general, really! - How tense it is after Malfoy's dog reference. What kind of "stupid hat" (to quote Moody) do you think Elphias Doge used to wear? Wrong answers only.

H

Cornelius "Goblin-Crusher" Fudge is making pies filled with spoiler comments.

Kate Bogd

Hi Veggie and Woozle! I once again missed a couple of bookclubs. I started a new job (and career-switch) and brough my dog over to the UK, so I've been paying attention every time you tell about places you take Woozle to :) Hope you forgive my lengthier comment. I wanted to add a thought about the legal system in the wizarding world. Consider this: Hogwarts is the only wizarding school in the British Isles, and has maybe 500–600 students total, so the magical population of Britain can't be more than 100,000 (I'll leave the math in the reply). That’s tiny for a country - it's like a Caribbean island nation. And in places that small, the legal system is often pretty loose. For example, Dominica in the Caribbean doesn’t technically have a drunk driving limit—there’s no law saying how much you can drink and still drive. That’s what the Ministry feels like here. They’re not necessarily doing anything illegal, it’s just that the rules are vague or missing entirely. Moving Harry’s hearing, ignoring witnesses, punishing him harshly for something they previously waved off—it fits in a system where things run more on precedent, tradition, and personality than clear law. JK makes it a bit too blatant for a younger audience, but it’s a really good depiction of how authoritarian behavior sneaks in when no one ever thought to define the limits. Some bullet points for these chapters: Chapter 9: - Loved Ginny clearly matches Fred and George's energy - I love Ron and so proud of him becoming a prefect! Remember what he saw in the Mirror in Book 1? - Molly’s reaction always makes me emotional—she clearly sees Harry as one of her own. And thus I never blame her for being protective - it’s pure love. - First mention of Aberforth Dumbledore Chapter 10: - Jim Dale's voice for Luna is weird and really takes me out of it. And I think movie did well with her casting, to me she's more likable in the movie. - Movie did a great job on thestrlas design! - Neville’s cactus also makes a brief appearance in the movie Have a great month! Hope the heat doesn't bother you too much!

Kate Bogd

Comment protection and the math :D Harry's year in Griffindor has 10-15 students, so the whole year has definitly no more than 60-70 and so the whole Hogwarts across 7 years has maybe 500 students. Even if only 1/10 of kids go to Hogwarts and the rest are homeschooled, there's maybe 5,000 kids of ages 11-17. Assume average wizard age lives till 140 (generous), then the whole population is 5,000*20 = 100,000.

H

Pretty sure Aberforth was mentioned by Albus or someone else in a previous book? Can't remember the exact context, but I think he was mentioned... and that goats were also mentioned.

STAYoung

In Hagrid's hut after Hagrid got outed as half-giant and he was ready to resign

STAYoung

Another packed book club for another set of amazing chapters. With so much to cover, I agree with you Veggie about sometimes doing just one chapter per book club. There's soooo much good stuff to talk about and if the chapters are getting longer it's a win-win for both of us. What were your thoughts about Chapter 9's title? It must have been a shock to go from an amazing victory in the court room to something as dark as 'The WOES of Mrs Weasley'. If I was a parent, I would be fuming that the booklists came in on the LAST DAY of holidays. Get your act together Fumbledore. Interesting that they only needed 2 new books which suggests that their 1st year books cover 7 years worth of knowledge. LOVE all the prefect stuff and what it means for Ron. It sucks that Harry, Hermione and even his own mother initially doubted him but as other's have said he earned this moment, especially if you read the series from his point of view. No more hand-me-downs Ah yes, the negotiator. Harry helping the twins with their deal is another highlight of mine. I wonder how they knew they needed those seeds for their product if they're tough to come by? The simple thing for Sirius to be happy chasing pigeons and his own tail is an awesome feeling. Mad Eye is right about Sturgis Podmore being unreliable, couldn't turn up for the escort or even for the movies. Great moments from everyone in the carriage, logical Hermione vs conspiracy theorist Luna. Sweet that Harry had been relying on seeing Hagrid again but worse that he ended up disappointed. Enjoy the summer weather up there, I'm about to go camping with nightly temperatures projected to hit -2 degrees (Celsius).

Methanoutput

Hey Veggie and Woozle! Since Ron has been made prefect, it means that the School thinks he is better suited in this role than Dean, Seamus, Neville and of course Harry. Would be interesting to hear which stories Dean and Samus have experienced, that have led to this decision. Maybe it is just Ron having plot armor or do you think he is better in this role than Dean, Seamus or Neville? I know Nevilles plant was also in the movie, but i just love him finding his talent and mumbling about Herbology as if its the best thing ever. Hope you are doing good! Cant wait to hear your thoughts :)

Kevin Morris

I was so disappointed that the movies left out Ron becoming a prefect. This was supposed to be one of Ron’s crowning achievements! With all of the times that he had helped Harry save the school and with all of Harry’s accolades and accomplishments and fame; this was finally something that Ron could say that he achieved that Harry didn’t. We all knew that Hermione would get it, but for Ron to get chosen by Dumbledore and McGonagall OVER Harry was a big deal. It kind of sucks that they took that away from him. Although, I will say that I would have loved to see Harry was a prefect just so we would have gotten a firsthand account of what the responsibility is like. Also, I fully suspect that Dumbledore would have ultimately made Harry Head Boy. Also, Molly’s boggart is heartbreaking. This book really helps you understand with everything that has happened to her and is happening now, that Molly is so afraid of losing the people that she loves. I also love that she sees Harry. With Molly and Bill showing up for the Third Task last book and now her boggart here, it just proves what we all already knew…The Weasley are Harry’s TRUE FAMILY.

Tawny Owl

Hi Woozle and Veggie! Most has already been said, so I'll just mention one little detail. There is just one short line about Black staring at the floor where Molly's boggart in form of Harry's dead body had been. I read this as Sirius realizing in that moment how deeply Molly truly cares for Harry and that she did not exagerate when she said he is like a son to her. While not resolving all the tension between the two, this may have helped him to better understand Molly's fears and standpoint in their argument.

Kate Bogd

Whoops, true that 🙈

K

Not a spoiler so I won’t leave a shielding comment— I always took that as Sirius being rattled by basically seeing dead James, with Harry at this point grown enough that he probably looked very similar to James’ actual corpse.

Tawny Owl

Yea, I think since it is such a short line, there are many ways to interpret it and I am sure there are multiple things going through Sirius' head at that moment, so you are probably right, he is definitely also thinking of James.

Alexandra

Thank you for the Congratulations! It was definitely almost too much for me so I totally get it - you should be proud for trying either way!