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Angel Mondays! Season 4 Episode 11 Reaction! (Patreon)

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2026-04-27 17:46:28
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####### EPISODE SPOILER REVIEW BELOW! APPARENTLY SOME OF YOU ARE WATCHING FOR THE FIRST TIME ALONG SIDE ME, SO PLEASE DON'T READ BEYOND THIS POINT UNTIL YOU HAVE SEEN THE EPISODE YOURSELF! ######

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ABSOLUTE. TOP. TIER. ANGEL!

Loved this one. Such a great idea for an ep and glad they took their time with it. Excellent stuff!

Love you, guys~

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Elizabeth Rose

"You did your Mom and tried to kill your Dad..... there should be a play." One of my favourite Angelus lines of all time, LOL.

Jordan McLaren

Leaving this comment before I finish watching - I don't think you noticed, but guess who directed this episode: Sean Astin! Yep, everyone's favourite hobbit, Samwise Gamgee ❤️ He was a huge fan of the show and friends with some of the writers and producers, so he jumped on the opportunity to direct an episode.

Alicia P

The line that always makes me laugh the most in this episode is Angelus talking to Wesley about Connor: "That twerp really gives me the creeps. You?" Honestly I don't hate Connor but, yes, Angelus, he definitely gives me the creeps 🤣 That must be the most awkward workplace at the moment. Imagine being Lorne with all the Gunn / Fred / Wesley and Connor / Cordy / Angel stuff happening and you're just trying to stay on top of answering the phones and making sure the books get shelved correctly when they're done researching. It must have been so tempting for the writers to do an Angelus arc at other points in this show but I think they pulled it out at the absolute perfect moment. Plus it's always fun to see Angelus flashbacks, even when they're brief.

VeggieGamer

Wait, WHAT??? That is crazy!! XD Sadly, I have trained my brain to never read the credits, just in case of spoilering myself (which apparently Buffy is bad for), but I would never have guessed this! Amazing! :)

Jordan McLaren

I totally agree that this is a fantastic episode, and while the season has been really good so far this is the point going forward where it becomes great in my opinion. Angelus at full force is always a treat (a horrible, disgusting, murderous treat) and David does a brilliant job transforming himself; even the way he holds himself is completely different. If it wasn't obvious before, this episode makes it clear that the writers fully intended the Cordy/Connor pairing to be weird and semi-incestous and that it was meant to make us uncomfortable. Frustratingly, sometimes the way people in the fandom discuss their dislike of the plot point makes it seem like they think the writers wanted us to root for the "relationship". No, it's meant to be icky and gross and the writers knew that. I don't blame Connor for the situation at all (I also don't hate him, I think he's a very interesting and tragic character) - Cordy is 100% in the wrong in...well, everything she's been doing recently, and Connor is right to push back against her in this episode. I know you've had some complaints about Wesley for a while now, so I just want to share my thoughts about why I think this direction fits his character perfectly. You're totally valid in your feelings, I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, I just have a different perspective :) It's pretty universally acknowledged in the Buffy/Angel fandom that Wesley's character development and growth is one of the best and most interesting of either show's cast. I think a big part of that is because his development isn’t just growth; it’s erosion and reinvention. When he was introduced he was comic relief: pompous, insecure, and out of his depth. What makes his evolution compelling is that the show doesn’t abandon those traits, it reframes them. His insecurity fuels a desperate need to prove himself, and his need for approval becomes isolating when he stops receiving it. The shift feels earned because the “before” version never fully disappears, it just hardens. He's become much more capable throughout the show's run so far, and we've seen it happen gradually before our eyes, but he became this capable the hard way, through failure and consequences that stick. He's not just more skilled, we can see the burden this life has started to take on him. After the Connor situation, when he is exiled from the group and his relationships are fractured almost beyond repair, the show doesn't take the usual, expected route of a clean and straightforward redemption arc. He becomes more cynical and pragmatic, and he doesn’t immediately seek forgiveness or try and explain himself; instead, he internalizes the idea that doing the “right thing” may require becoming someone others can’t accept. The character shift isn't just aesthetic and surface-level: he's a fundamentally different person than he was. Early Wesley believed in rules and institutions, but the Wesley we have now believes in outcomes, even if the methods are ugly. His willingness to work with shady, morally grey or downright dangerous people (like Lilah) isn't framed as a simple fall from grace - it's adaptation. He’s learned that the world he operates in doesn’t reward purity and good intentions and adjusted. But there's a tension between who he was and who he is now which creates constant internal conflict. A key point of Wesley's arc is that he's a tragic character. He rarely gets catharsis. He suppresses guilt, grief, and anger, which makes those emotions surface in indirect ways: cold decisions, strained alliances, and a kind of quiet fatalism. His psychology feels very real, and we're asked to follow along and sometimes connect the dots ourselves. Rather than just a supporting character, Wesley has transformed into a tragic hero/anti-hero. He’s compelling precisely because he embodies a difficult question: "What if doing the right thing requires becoming someone you don’t recognize?" The show resists the urge to redeem or condemn him outright, instead letting him exist in an uncomfortable middle ground, where growth comes with loss, and clarity comes too late. That was a bit of a ramble, sorry lol, but Wesley's one of my favourites in all his forms: Uptight Wesley, Dorky Wesley, Leader Wesley and Dark Wesley, I love them all, and it's the connective tissue between them that makes him so compelling. Some good Buffy coming up, but I'm very excited to get back to Angel! ❤️ Thanks Veggie :)

Jordan McLaren

One more comment because I got sidetracked by talking about Wesley and forgot lol: rewatching the first episode of Buffy before the finale could be a lot of fun! If possible, it'd probably be best to rewatch the first two together as one long episode, but whatever works best for you :)

James McCarthy

Woo Angelous is great in this season. Freeing him from the Buffy show really allows the character to come to life interacting with different people.

thompur

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