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Season 1, Episode 13 | 'Aversion to One's Own Kind'

Frieren: Beyond Journey's End

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Binx BB

sein felt like he waited too long, and frieren felt like she waited too long before himmel came to get her. that was the aversion to one's own kind she was talking about, and she decided to help sein like himmel helped her. i think frieren saw her old self in sein, thats why she didnt like him. great reaction!

HalcyonSerenade

I think the "my own kind" bit from Frieren is that she noticed the same reluctance in Sein that she tends to have in herself. Hence that flashback with Himmel and her noticing the parallels between her own "it's too late for me to start now" excuses with Sein's similar excuses. This one kinda hits close to home for me... I've let a lot of opportunities pass by on grounds of "eh, too late now" when that's only sometimes a legitimate reason. Sometimes it's really just an excuse to keep sitting where it's comfortable, even if that leaves us with regrets and unfulfilled wishes. At the same time, I think there's also a lot to be said for realistically reevaluating what you want out of life. After all, Sein's brother passed up the offer from Heiter to be a priest in the capital, but as he himself said, "I never regretted my decision," while Sein clearly regrets his. I think it can be hard to be real with ourselves and understand fully whether we regret passing over a decision or are truly content with it. Lots of personal work and reflection there.

HalcyonSerenade

Whether someone watches the OPs and EDs of a show depends on the person, I think. For some people it's a *really* huge part of the experience, and there's even culture surrounding evaluating OPs and EDs on their own, separately from the shows themselves, on aspects like the craftsmanship of animation, artistic creativity, the song playing (obviously), storytelling and symbolism, etc. Some people are really into it, some people aren't so much. Do what you're into! As for me personally, I'm not super into that scene. I do have a personal rule to always watch an OP or an ED at least once to see how I like it, and if the song is enough of a bop I'll end up listening every time 😅 (Frieren's S1 ending "Anytime, Anywhere" is one of my faves! Dandadan's S1 OP "Otonoke" had my mind in a vice grip for about two weeks) I'm weirdly less interested in analyzing the visuals and such, and I'm not sure why since it seems like the kind of thing that'd be up my alley. I guess I prefer the story to speak for itself? Like, the source material wasn't written with this symbolic preknowledge in mind, so I'd rather go in without that and LATER appreciate what the OP or ED was signaling. (More for OPs, since EDs *tend* to be more reflective while OPs tend to be more prophetic, so to speak.) But I know *tons* of people don't feel that way, and some feel that a well-made OP actually enhances *anticipation* of big moments instead of dulling their impact. Fair enough! But I guess that perspective hasn't affected me enough to change my "watch once, skip afterwards if it's not a banger" pattern 😅 I absolutely have a playlist of about ~50 OPs/EDs that I enjoy enough to listen to elsewhere when I'm in the mood 😄

GardeninTool

There's a misunderstanding that I noticed during your recap where you recalled the party defending the sword village from "demons". Remember that the world of Frieren specifically distinguishes the terms "monster" and "demon". "Monsters" are your typical enemies that have not yet been able to imitate human speech (The Einsam, The Solar Dragon and the pack of wolf-like monsters). And are typically less threatening than demons. "Flamme defined Demons as monsters capable of imitating human speech" - Frieren in episode 7. The key factor being humanoid monsters that can imitate human speech. In a sense, Demons are still monsters in every way but are on a higher level of intelligence and potentially lifespan. Thus, they still see humans as prey and wired completely differently from humans. They dont share the same morals or have the same train of thought as humans do.

EHelström

Regarding watching the intro and outro. One of my favorite reactors does that, particularly if the music is good. So I have no problems with it. Just be aware that some contain spoilers. My personal thoughts was that if the animators have no problems with showing clips during the intro, why should we have a problem?

Matthias

Translator's note : I feel like It's a good time to talk about the brotherhood lexicon since whe met two brothers and one of them use a particular term for it. Note that I will show a lot of word relating to brother and sister using a form like this "word" - "suffixes". Japanese language has a whole thing about suffixes (kun, san, sama etc...) but I feel like it'll be too much yapping if I talk about it here. If anyone else want to add to this or explain other thing feel free, I'll also be very happy to make another comment about suffixes in another reaction. Here will be focusing on the "word" part in the model. For the word brother we have really common term you'll hear a lot as you watch more japanese show. There is one word for little brother that we can hear in this episode : sein's brother refers to him as "otōto (弟)". It's a tword the brother use when asking "will you take my little brother with you" and it's often used to talk about your younger brother with some one else. Most of the time a older sibling with just call their younger one by their name. When it come to older brother tho we have more words for different situation. Note that suffix also carry a lot of meaning and can change congtext easily : Ani, Onii - Ani (兄) is the standard word used when talking about your older brother to someone else, it's basicly the equivalent to otōto (弟) but for older brother. It can also be used to refer to your brother directly but will be used by character from more strict/old school/old upper class families and will be used with a special suffix : Ani-ue - Onii-san (お兄さん) is the standard word to adresse your older brother directly or to refer to your older brother just like "Ani" but in a more casual setting/conversation. you will often hear a shorten version of oni-san as simple ni-san. When the younger sibling is a child or the siblings are very close they can also use a more familiar and intimate suffix instead of san : Onii-chan (お兄ちゃん) finally we reach reach some more particular words, specificly the one Sein is using to call is older brother, Aniki - Aniki (兄貴) : is a more rough, casual and masculine term to refer to an older brother or a older masculine figure. It's often associated to tough guys or gangster. You would not call some one that is not your brother in term of family Oni-san but if you were really close to an slightly older male figure you look up you could them Aniki as a term of respect and endearment. I think it fits Sein character to call his brother this way because he has this little bit of a "corrupt" vibe with alcohol and gambling and smoking in the sense of he's not this proper, nice, nurturing image of priest his brother fit. Another interesting word you might heard that is also usable outside of family ties but is still using familial bond concept is Kyoudai : - Kyoudai (兄弟) is a gender neutral term that refer to a sibling without specifying if they are older or younger. It can also be used to mean a "sworn-brother" or atleast a very trusted companion who is an equal and an important friend. Once again this use of kyoudai will sometimes be affiliated with gangster, yakuza or overhaul rough/tough characters. So I've been talking about brothers but of course sister function on the same thing, so here are the word used : younger : - Imouto older : - Anee - Onee-san, Onee-chan, Nee-san - Aneki

HalcyonSerenade

Since Kaye raised a question about Kraft being a Monk a couple episodes ago and is now wondering about Priest magic, It's time to talk about 🌟Character Classes🌟! Fantasy media these days takes a lot of cues from Fantasy role-playing games (RPGs) -- this makes sense, as probably a lot of people interested in Fantasy settings got a lot of that enthusiasm from video games... which get their inspiration from fantasy literature and tabletop RPGs, which get their inspiration from other fantasy media and video games, in a big web of mutual inspiration. This is just like the kind of like "mana" being a vague pool of energy like a number in a game. Defining a character by their "class" or "job" or otherwise their "role" on the team goes back as far as miniature war games, where you'd have game pieces that represent "a group of cavalry" or "a group of artillery", determining what that game piece can do, much like different pieces in Chess can do different things. The first game credited with assigning roles to *individual characters* was Dungeons and Dragons (D&D), though the idea spread pretty quickly and was adapted in many different ways. The original published version of D&D included three classes: fighter, mage, and cleric, then added Thief later. Thus the classic archetypical D&D-style party of adventurers: fighter, wizard, cleric, rogue. An adventuring party doesn't *need* all four, but it's considered the most "classic" setup since there's 1 of everything. A character's class defined what types of things they were allowed to do, such as wear armor, wield heavy weapons, cast spells, and find traps. The whole idea of a "class" was to give hard defined rules for differentiating characters based on major archetypes seen in fantasy literature like Lord of the Rings. D&D may be the most iconic fantasy RPG, but it's far from the only one, and these ideas evolved a lot over time. Other classes have become common, like: Druids, Sorcerers, Bards, Barbarians, Paladins, and... oh yes, Monks! Fantasy-style Monks take heavy inspiration from Shaolin monks, who practice Shaolin Kung Fu as part of their monastic duties. So, in a classic fantasy RPG-esque setting like in Frieren, describing someone as a Monk implies at the very least that they are skilled martial artists, with a religious component kinda optional, lol. Though being a monk in Frieren does seem to imply the religion aspect, at least with Kraft. Just as with Mana, characters in Frieren seem to talk about characters' adventure roles like we might expect from an RPG setting, describing each other with words like "mage", "warrior," "monk", and "priest." As a storytelling device, these distinctions are pretty arbitrary since *in games* they're meant to communicate rules of action and interaction, which you don't really need for non-interactive media... but they're effective shorthand for people vaguely familiar with RPG-like ideas. D&D-like systems like to categorize their magic-using classes based on where they get their magic from. Mages or wizards tend to use magic through study and practice, almost like a science. Classes like clerics/priests tend to use magic bestowed by their god, as if praying grants these miracles that they can use for combat or healing. In Frieren, it's stated that detecting and curing poisons is the purview of Priest magic; this distinction between different magic systems' capabilities goes all the way back to those early tabletop RPGs like D&D, where a Wizard character and a Cleric character have different spell options available to them. "Holy" magic typically had more restorative options, while "arcane" magic typically had more offensive options, and that distinction tends to persist in RPGs and fantasy settings today (sometimes described as "white magic" and "black magic," but those terms are used very differently depending on the particular rules of the setting!). Frieren's author seems to have drawn a hard line between what mage's magic can do vs what Priest spells can do with the Goddess' support. This follows the general RPG-inspired fantasy trend that those of us geeks with lots of RPG experience would recognize, but it's interesting to draw attention to it. I can draw a number of parallels between how "classes" are treated in the story of Frieren and the current edition of D&D, but my assumption is that they didn't draw inspiration from any one game or system -- instead they probably took general Fantasy RPG vibes and made their own rules to suit their own story. (Which, imo, tends to make for the best stories when done well.) Incidentally, it's not clear to me what "class" Himmel would fall under. Eisen is explicitly called a "warrior," Frieren a "mage," and Heiter a "priest," but Himmel is only ever called "hero"... which *has* been used as a character class in some games, but it's pretty atypical. He doesn't *need* to get any sort of classification, of course -- this *isn't* a game or system like that and doesn't need to be bound by those rules. It's just interesting. (As of writing, I've only watched an episode or two of Season 2, so I don't know if we get further info about this or if they leave it amiguous) So there you go. RPG Character Classes in a nutshell. A really big nutshell. Like, a coco-nutshell. 🥥

Drift3r (edited)

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2026-10-15 01:00 Another great reaction. Also you kind of brushed upon the reason why the title of the episode is named the way it is in you post episode analysis. It's not only that he is a genius similar to Frerien but also that Sein was mirroring her own reluctancy to move out of a self-imposed rut of regret. Similar to how Frieren was before Himmel and the gang showed up. So I guess her "aversion" to Sein was a self-reflecting ego thing where she's probably thinking, "Wow I can't believe I was just like him at one point in time".
2026-10-12 17:51 Another great reaction. Also you kind of brushed upon the reason why the title of the episode is named the way it is in your post episode analysis. It's not only that he is a genius similar to Frerien but also that Sein was mirroring her own reluctancy to move out of a self-imposed rut of regret. Similar to how Frieren was before Himmel and the gang showed up. So I guess her "aversion" to Sein was a self-reflecting ego thing where she's probably thinking, "Wow I can't believe I was just like him at one point in time".

Another great reaction. Also you kind of brushed upon the reason why the title of the episode is named the way it is in your post episode analysis. It's not only that he is a genius similar to Frerien but also that Sein was mirroring her own reluctancy to move out of a self-imposed rut of regret. Similar to how Frieren was before Himmel and the gang showed up. So I guess her "aversion" to Sein was a self-reflecting ego thing where she's probably thinking, "Wow I can't believe I was just like him at one point in time".

Totenkreuz

Ract good. More ract pls.

HoneyTLBadger

Fun Fact: in Taiwan there was a knife attack on a subway back in 2024. One of the passengers that stopped the attacker said it was because "that's what Himmel the Hero would have done."

Munnin

tbh I never really understood the spoiler argument for the same reason you noted and also, I can't remember a single show where I actually connected the dots correctly if at all.

EHelström

Some people hyper analyze the intro and outros, and some shows with a popular manga following purposely display scenes coming up in the season to hype up the readers. My take is that if you already read the manga or light novels, it's not really a spoiler. If you haven't, you really don't have context behind the scene. Take One Piece for example. I've been reading the manga for over 20 years. When reactors start watching the show, the One Piece community has a large following that insist they skip the intro and even reading episode titles. I think that's just ridiculous.

Eric Loesch

I appreciate the monday uploads.

Eric Loesch

I love the double whammy of Fern's less than normal upbringing showing. She thinks booze is great and that Frieren's kiss had a lot power behind it.

Darazanjoll

I need the next ep now. ep 14 is something else

Robbie Kelsey

It comes down to personal preference really, for me it's not guessing the dots ect it more about character spoilers. I like to be surprised when meeting a new character. I skipped frierens intros till I was at the end but for example if I had seen the intros I would of known instantly that fern was going to become a core member the moment we saw her but I prefer to learn that in the moment because intros ect tend to include characters that are core to the plot ect, I don't wanna be like when are we going to meet that dark ominous looking elf. I'd rather be surprised when we actually do.

Vincent

I love that the corrupt priest loves older women. Its so common in a lot of anime to have older men leer on young girls so an adult like Sein having age approrpiate romantic interests is actually a breath of fresh air. Same goes for Stark not being some horny weirdo which is another common trope for teenage boys in anime unfortunately. I love the scene of Frieren blowing Himmel a kiss. Its perfect from start to finish. The setup, thw transition, the kiss pose, himmel's reaction, heiter's delivery of "Himmmmeeeeel!" And Eizen's delivery of "you're a wicked woman". Its gold.

GhostPhil

Stark finally has support against Fern :D

MishkaTho

Can’t wait for the next one 😍🥲

RegorLu

Can't wait to watch reaction.

aloekayeANIME

Ahh this makes sense, I love this 💛 So Frieren we saw as being deep in her isolation until Himmel kind of convinced her to go on the OG heros' journey and live/connect deeply with them, just like Sein was isolating and not acting on his dreams of adventuring/finding his friend bc he was also kind of scarred by his past (like Frieren's huge detachment since ppl in her life pass so quickly), so Frieren acted like Himmel by convincing him on the new heros journey. I could see the parallels for sure between Sein's and Frieren's personalities like their stoicism and detachment I think, but this is that added layer I don't think I saw in the moment, tysm for the insights!! 🙌✨💫

aloekayeANIME

Oh no yes you're so right, I forgot that detail from that past ep! So even the Einsam is a monster? ...That does actually make sense bc they're mimicking or creating lifelike imitations of loved ones, but they actually don't have that understanding/manipulation of human language like we saw w Lugner and Aura Tysm for this reminder 💫✨ Need to keep this in mind again

aloekayeANIME

This is INCREDIBLY useful tysm!!! I actually had been thinking in a recent reaction that I felt like -san was added to the ends of names, maybe -chan also?? I think it was in Demon Slayer actually, I thought I would hear a character's name + san, so like Tanjiro-san? I was planning to look up, but this is incredibly useful how you've laid it out! I really enjoy the tonal contexts you gave, ie what situations you'd use them in (more formally, casually, older/younger/etc.). Aww and it makes me think, I have an older brother (the one and only) lol so would I could call him Ani or Onii as like a nickname?

aloekayeANIME

This is such a huge theme I can absolutely relate to as well, the sitting where it's comfortable and 'safe' so to speak, vs leaning into that discomfort and the unknown... But no I saw a similar comment above around what Frieren saw in Sein that makes much more sense. I'd noticed the similarities in their desires to stay detached I think, but in terms of what you guys noticed with the Himmel flashback, Frieren saw herself in Sein in that him thinking it's too late/not wanting to join meant that it would be limiting their life and connectedness to the world (like if Frieren never joined the OG hero journey and if Sein didn't join the new one). I love your last points, 'I think it can be hard to be real with ourselves and understand fully whether we regret passing over a decision or are truly content with it. Lots of personal work and reflection there.' Ty for this 💫✨💛

GardeninTool

Correct, the Einsam was only capable of illusion magic and reading the persons memories. The magic itself, was doing all the talking! But yes, its a good idea keep this information in the back of your head as Frieren's party continues to head north. Especially the characteristic about demons being wired differently.

HalcyonSerenade

In anime-land at least, "Onii-chan" is the typical affectionate term we see from a younger sister to an older brother she's close with. He'd *definitely* understand. But anime is fiction, and fiction takes artistic liberties for certain phrases and norms for character tropes. I personally don't have the actual cultural knowledge to say what's realistically used in Japan beyond speculation from animated fiction 😅 Maybe Matthias-san has more insight to share? 👀

Matthias

Yhea basicly if you were japanese you'd most lilely called your brother Ani-san or Onii-san (maybe -chan but even tho anime like to use it a lot most adults siblings use -san, -chan is often used by kids or in very specific settings). In european and american culture I feel like most siblings call themselves by their name but in japan younger sibling will often call their older sibling basicly just "big brother/sister" (ani-san/ane-san). little detail "fun fact" I forgot to add especially since you've mentionned demon slayer, Onii (the word brother) has two i and it's very imporant because there is another word that sounds just like it that means something completly different and you'll hear in demon slayer : Oni (鬼) wich refer to a folklorical horned Ogre but is often used to say Demon, so you might hear it a bunch in demon slayer. Thing is japanese has a lot of words and variation so in Frieren Demons are not refered as Oni (鬼) but Mazoku (魔族) wich also can be use to say demon or evil being it's a word which contain two character : ma (魔, devil/demon/evil) and zoku (族, tribe/clan/race). Another instance of combined character words can be found with the characteer "ma" when frieren talk about the demon king because she says maō (魔王) another word that use two different characters : the previously shown ma and ō (王) wich means king or ruler. And even tho I wanted to keep this short I once again talked A LOT. Anyway the suffixes thing in japanese is quite important and it's cool you noticed how san was added to names etc... So i'm looking forward to the next frieren reaction and I think i'll make a translator note on suffixes then.

aloekayeANIME

Ahhh this is so fun to read and learn!! 💫✨ My brother is the huge gamer/tech guy, probably not shocking since he's the huge anime fan and as you've paralleled above they seem so intertwined. We've always played family-style games together like Mario/smash etc (lowkey scarred me bc he's just too good at everything lol); he's had me play some RPGs before too like Clair Exp 33 recently, Skyrim long ago lol he tried to get me into it. He played WoW and LoL growing up, also Arcane and there's another apocolypse one I can't remember/it's been turned to a show he told me I'd like.. I know he's playing Elden Ring again (and crashing out a bit lol). He plays a lot outside of RPG too p sure. All that to say this all sounds v familiar within the fantasy realm in terms of 'roles.' I remember I liked the mage/healer/wizard style roles personally so love how that relates back to Frieren. 🤍🩵 I appreciate this distinction between mages/priests and their spells/magic: ' Mages or wizards tend to use magic through study and practice, almost like a science. Classes like clerics/priests tend to use magic bestowed by their god, as if praying grants these miracles that they can use for combat or healing.' Tysm for this lesson I love it when you guys teach me things 🙌💛

aloekayeANIME

Glad you enjoyed the reactionnn! 💛✨ Yeah I think I was getting there with the parallels personality-wise between Frieren/Sein, but I really enjoyed reading the comments on this one bc I think that scene with Himmel sort of convincing Frieren to get out of her rut/live life more fully, that's what Frieren was trying to embody as she did see her past self within Sein's current mindset. So she was thinking 'what would Himmel do' essentially 🥹 in choosing who she wanted to be in this moment

HalcyonSerenade

*Gasp* He got you to play Expedition 33? I just played it last July, and it consumed my free time for the whole month and wrecked me emotionally 😅🥲😭 (I'm not crying, YOU'RE crying!) Lots of thematic parallels with Frieren, in terms of coping with loss and grief, contemplating legacy, etc... but with... um, a bit less of an optimistic outlook 😬