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Episode 493: Scams (Patreon)

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2025-10-02 12:59:20
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Lauren Balik joins us to talk scams, rackets, apps, financial conspiracies, Straussianism, and why Twitter is failing.

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HonestEd

Hell yeah just in time for work

bugtank

Lauren is a treat to follow on twitx- one of the smartest and funniest out there. Honestly I stay in tech cause of people like her.

makaela

Bring out the leeches

Tom Clarke

Covid. It’s back, baby.

lynchianphallus

oh yeahhhhh pynchonian style trueanon masonic conspiracies episode like a boss 😎

Mungo Franczak

What ever the fuck is a freemason anyways

Clinton Weeks

New truanon and I left my AirPods at home someone kill me

makaela

Galilayyo we’re so middle-ages monk-physician coded

balls mcballs

thanks for giving me something to listen to in my 10am instead of a lecture on franciscans

Blank

Reverend Doctor Balls Mcballs

NYCM&AHole

Bring back the Skaggs to talk about the Great Recession pt II.

Mungo Bovie

perfect for our day of atonement

Matt Jolo

So this episode is about national treasure. That's all I know about the Free Masons.

Leonardo DiCaprizoliano

Your DMV registration is about to expire. Avoid a fine and imprisonment by submitting license information to a_ubcxzomoabnd@ hotmail.com

Tryg

cam

come on man

Brian Ward

Blast that shit from your phone you coward

Max

no same my headphones broke last week and I’m on campus all day

ResilientBastard

I’m Ukrainian and years ago had a German guy asked where my name was from — I told him Eastern Europe — then when I clarified I meant Ukraine he was like “Oh, that’s not Eastern Europe, it’s something else, maybe Asia”

Robert Armstrong

Are we to assume that AppLovin is a clumsy play on "McLovin"? Because that is LAAAAAAME.

Jared Bauer

Erika Kirk in her Klarna car

ayyyy1

cava yummy

Lcfitz

Damn I love cava 😂

Don Lasagna

Thank you I’ve been waiting so long for some commentary on the wetness of the popular food bowls these days especially cava

Jacob Ford

Anyone else not getting this one on the RSS?

Mark Owen

Something they like to call Lebensraum

Doug Cartel

Nicene Creed was basically "we can all agree on X Y and Z because we are tired of murdering each other's scholars in broad daylight", right?

Chiral

Sorry Liz, sniping that genius idea

Joelio

“Hi there. Is this Jessica? It’s been a long time since we’ve talked “

Blank

Still waiting on the Liz beauty tips ep 😠

Kelley

Lmao Yung Chomsky stock jokes. Needs some onion too.

Subodh Kafle

Applovin stock down 2.5% since this episode dropped

Jacob Ford

Update: it’s Overcast outage

Jacob Ford

Did Brace make Liz into the one race he hates?

HonestEd

He doesn’t know that Eastern Europe starts at Dover 🤭

sono

Flip was my first paycheck as a 15 year old ages ago 😭 entirely forgot about it.. always was so odd to me

Hugh Jazz

HGH is also a Peptide; The big ones for strength sports are HGH and then peptides that mimic GH, like CJC1295 or Ipamorelin etc. God only knows where they come from but usually labs in china

Austin Williams

the "peptides" generally are pro-hormones. they get converted to more heavily regulated substances (hgh, test) in the body.

Austin Williams

epistane, a popular supplement in the oughts that you could get at gnc, worked on the same principle

absoluteboi

this guest is great. good at being funny. not many are.

David Haigh

I made 60 English pounds playing "game of war" for like a week when I was broke the other month. Just gotta be game to game the game before the game games the gamer.

Harvey

Good time to read Foucault’s Pendulum

hootalex

RCT MENTIONED! 🎢🎢🎢

Clean Shirt Piggie

Still no clue what Applovin does. Did McLovin invent it?

Sarah Bee

Liz, maybe you have Sámi blood.

Shane Scalf

when/why did this become a finance podcast

B R

Rice bowl. Braised lamb. 2 crazy feta 1 harrisa. Double pickled onion and pickles cabbage. Corn. Tomoate cucumbers. Feta. Black olives. Side cup of garlic or yogurt dill. If your cava bowl sucks, that's on you

Morgan

Can we get lauren to come back at least once a month?

Emily Richardson

Seconding this!!! I also want to share this episode. What info the tech companies are monetizing is crazy and I don’t think people realize the depth of it. And the complicity/interconnectedness of the markets is a super important aspect people don’t often correlate.

Michael Ouderkirk

It's X if it's scams and bots and dumb tech shit. It's Twitter for everything else.

Clean Shirt Piggie

Liz perked up for the stock tips. Gotta pay for that NFL Sunday Ticket plan plus NBA League Pass just around the corner

Max Evans

My only knowledge of Flip is from Ben Mora talking about essentially scamming his friends with it on Seeking Derangements 😭

Edwin Webster

“It was inedible” “cava was the worst thing I’ve ever eaten” My friends, you designed the bowl

AKDetroit

Wow that last segment was really fascinating. Im gonna come back and relisten for sure. Thanks.

dsm5 hinge embracist

Adjusters was my 90s training wheels for my love of freeform esoteric straussian jazz

gay

Sweet green makes me fart so much I hear u bb, gg (brother brace) (great guest)

Mike Malloy

Why don’t you try making an everything app before you go around dumping on someone else’s. Not as easy as it sounds

Mark Owen

Well they kept the Christological controversies going for several more centuries, then the Westerners edited the Nicene Creed.

CC Lemon

It’s time to unslop the bowl

Data Dealer

Years ago, I demoed a game I made at a mobile games conference, hoping to secure some sort of publishing deal for mobile. What I got was the most disgusting lowball offers you can imagine, and a horde of people trying to “teach” me how to jam ads into every imaginable nook and cranny. Most of these folks were easily brushed off with a “sorry, we’re a premium game, we don’t run ads”, except for the AppLovin guy. His reply was “Why do you hate making money?”. I tried a couple more times to brush him off, but it seemed like he was not willing to leave until he had convinced me that ads don’t suck. I had to excuse myself to the bathroom to get rid of him.

Mersham

Fill me up with Peptides baby!

Tucker Horn

Wait this is brilliant. This is absolutely how evangelicals communicate shit to each other

John Lemieux

In the game of content, you either win or you die.

vermouth

Boring type schizodial

Jon W

Please. I'm begging you. Stop producing all this content. I'm dying. I can't keep up. I'm skipping sections. I'm forgetting riffs. I'm a worse person every time Brace rings the gong and I don't hear it.

Nite Life Jesse

You’ve hardly touched your tomoate cucumbers or side cup of garlic

Nite Life Jesse

Guy is all like: “Cabbage. Olives. Corn. “

cmanenarwhale

i wuz listening to cop city n hearing youse guys complain ab paywalls archive.ph gets around those, website looks kinda sketch but i promise it works. for some reason it only works when i use firefox, as opposed to safari.

Ben

It’s funny how Chipotle is never brought up when talking about “salad slopbowls” is it because it’s too lowbrow? It’s not as popular with tech/office job types as Cava or Sweetgreens?

Enkinanna

its just cause chipotle is old news, it was so far ahead of the game its not even in the conversation

Rory

SPEAK A LITTLE WASIAN FOR EM 🗣️🗣️

PT

I think it’s because Chipotle is filling and cava/sweetgreens are not. I checked out cava recently and the guy put like 3 of the saddest, smallest meatballs on a few spoonfuls of rice and called it a day. Genuinely felt ripped off lol

Ethan Schulz

Is that Nimblebits guy still making games?

Lizard

My cousin who spends all his time online recently walked into traffic after saying he was being surveilled this shit happens right in your own backyard shit is bleak

.

Lauren’s synthesis at the end of this ep was just flat out brilliant. This feels like a good pairing to yalls episode way back with Jodi Dean.

Valentino

yo pay every canadian 100k USD and I'll sing the star spangled banner with my tuque over my heart

th

so nice of you guys to bring on a real schizophrenic to demonstrate the dangers of twitter addiction

CC Lemon

The back end of this episode is just the plot to metal gear solid 2 as always

Anne

Tatar more likely

saaffie

Mobile gambling games are all out Malta

Twall

Secret ICE War 2025-40XX

RyGuy

Some of the trade “lynchpins” you spoke of were literally bought out with lump sums in the mid-19th century. The Danish Sound dues and the Dutch Scheldt dues ended when British, French, and Russian backers paid Denmark and the Netherlands huge sums in compensation. Ironically, much of the money was used to pay back debts. An early part of knitting world capitalism together.

Normica

I love how intelligent this guest clearly is!! It makes me happy that a person can be so smart and still find humor in numbers like 69 or 420.

Alex

Every phone is a homophone when Brace is on the line (just playin)

Alexander

I'm very surprised she doesn't use stream East

big man

Liz isn't Chinese?

Tvvvv

Levi Strauss? The guy from blue jeans?!

Tvvvv

Who knew

Tvvvv

Aren’t the polish a steppe people? She could be Chinese. In a very broad definition of Chinese.

Tvvvv

Are peptides esoteric? Makes you think.

Chris Sherman

Sort of lost me at “arborescent”

Sai

Kind of an interesting episode until the kid started blabbin nonsense at the end.

buttface

Did he died?

Marko Loko Lopez

I knew I would dig this ep when Liz called this her favourite guest. I did not expect to now have an urge to move to NYC and pick up trash in parks. Have I been straussed?

Lizard

Yeah. Genuinely crazy to watch this kids life get ruined so completely so quickly and so clearly driven by the internet

Markus Puskar

Speaking of denmark - Liz, you need to watch “families like ours”. Incredible political economy show . Guy who made the hunt is the show runner

fasd asdfa

@53:55, Brace nearly caught Liz with the ozempic cost line

Return of The Mac 2nite

Is the “new kind of math” guy a new phenomenon because Terrance Howard was on that beat since like 2012

Zzz

That nasty taste you’re tasting in sweetgreen is soylent green, brace

EmmyO

I have a rich kid cousin who has a tech startup that is the exact same thing as another well known tech brand, and I will not be convinced that he isn’t just tax evading/laundering his inheritance through a company he never intends to be competitive.

Chas Padunski

Opening convo can only be met with Asimov’s adage about computers never being in charge of anything because computers cannot be held responsible.

Sam Lieberman

Ending segment was fun Yom Kippur listening

Zzz

Lauren’s latest substack piece on AI psychosis is phenomenal

Mark Owen

to quote the Duke as Genghis Khan: "I feel this Tartar woman is for me, and my blood says, take her!!"

Mark Owen

You got Deleuze + Guattari in my Strauss!

Michael

Cracker control mentioned

Sudden Beth

I understood about 25% of this episode but I fucking loved it nevertheless. Gonna call everything I don't get "straussian" from now on.

Ducky

Brace, Liz, can you please get Cities By Diana on the pod? Please?

MCL

Ok so if this Strauss thing is real it explains so much like the structure of the Jersey Mikes Cinematic Universe, the hidden messages in the Jimmy John’s menu (what happened in that Italian Nightclub) and where the Quiznos rodents came from

Mark Murphy

I'm enjoying the episode and don't wanna appear unnecessarily aggressive: All this Strauss stuff is just shibboleths? Fashion - demarcating those in the Know and those outside?

Lojban Chauvinist

You think her and Amber Frost could be from the same race??

Brett Barbara

Can we get a monthly macro Econ pod from Liz please I will pay any amount of money

buttface

Sorry for your loss 🙏

King Krang

Y'all never said why X: The Everything App is in a failure state

D

It seemed a little /r/trueanon to me, but I enjoyed it nonetheless.

D

The discussion of Novo Nordisk and Maersk made me thing of ASML and how a Dutch company basically exists alone in holding the keys to advanced lithography for CPUs. I'm surprised the admin hasn't made a push to acquire a copy (so to speak) of that technology through some kind of economic force.

liv

I believe in the rice bowl, I believe in the braised lamb, I believe in the 2 crazy feta 1 harissa,

b bordeaux

one of the more schizophrenic episodes

CummyPuss

as someone in insurance on the agent side, AI is has already started to change the game in policy reading drastically. it will probably never get to a point where you have an AI agent, but insurance companies will start to use it for their operations having just Underwriters. Agents will be able to have a lot larger books and need a lot less help from outside staff. there will be a lot of fluff removed from agencies and the carriers both.

Nite Life Jesse

Is this person taking whatever made Matt Christman have a stroke

Everett

I assume because it doesn’t have the cash flow since everyone has recognized it doesn’t have the user base to justify advertising spending

Everett

I have never understood an episode less than this

casey

i think this episode made me schizophrenic

King Krang

Yeah, that seemed to be the implication, but they were saying there are certain signs you see in failing enterprises... But didn't list them. Brace got everyone off track and I'm going to send him prolific hate mail about it.

ggmacd

maybe finance is just a name for the evil men do

Anne

Ozempic is not that expensive actually. In most European and Asian countries a pen that either has 8 or 4 doses (depending on how much you use and it’s 1 dose a week) is around 120 euros. The thing is Europe is that your health insurance won’t pay for it unless you have diabetes type 2. It’s supposed to be on subscription only but there are ways around that and not every pharmacy is that strict

🤷🏼‍♀️

I really don't know about this Straussian thing, seems silly

Nick

Bad news for Lauren that Matt Yglesias has the exact same little “mhm” tic. (I like Matt though :-/)

Charlie

Brace is doing straussism with the amount of times he said 6 or 7

Ben

Losing it more and more every time they say app lovin

Ben

Are you saying app lovin

Nite Life Jesse

say bush did 9/11 all you want but don’t you dare come after my $19 plant based gochujang millet bowl

🤷🏼‍♀️

"OpenAI is the experience of reading the Talmud, people don't understand that." "What the fuck are you talking about?" "OpenAI"

O'Malley

$APP -3% the day this dropped. Coincidence? I THINK NOT 🥸

The Fine Art Revolution

second half of this episode sounded like a bit. I feel like I came to class and forgot to do the reading.

ggmacd

Straussianism is rooted in the ancient, transhistorical ritual called Guys Jacking Off Together

Nite Life Jesse

Fennel. Poppy seeds. Gorgonzola. Panko bread crumbs. Peas.

NBAoldboy

This shit about to make me read the Talmud

Daniel

Genuinely and with a spirit of kindness, can you tell me why?

Daniel

It goes way back to the ancient Greeks. People were just stupider then so they were right some times.

Daniel

When it was founded to talk about a certain financier

d

openAI is at best a masterclass in PR. the message was clear enough that sam altman & ilk were able to swindle investors and civilians into believing in something that is inaccurate, wastes resources, causes psychosis, erodes critical thinking, & somehow makes john fetterman more grotesque. great work every1

Turlough Kelly

Talmud stuff was probably the first TrueAnon segment I've listened to with my gums pulled back in the "don't know about this one, chief" rictus for its full duration

2horses

the last 15 min about the talmud was completely incomprehensible to me.

2horses

talk about self consciously elite

ggmacd

I liked the episode, and I read the substack piece. I appreciated learning about Talmudic reasoning and I guess it's an interesting framing of ChatGPT for poetic (straussian?) reasons. ...But you don't have to dig very deep into the philosophy of logic to know that this kind of reasoning isn't by necessity rooted in the Talmud or exclusive to it. Pretty much any real world (read: not in a closed system) use of logic is associative, which is to say it makes an interpretive inference to the best explanation. This is hard to do, requires lots of training (this is how any kind of expert diagnosis works) so it is unsurprising that ordinary people have, on average, shit judgment in this regard. The fact that Americans aren't familiar with the reading of the Talmud is not a convincing reason why AI is driving them insane. Maybe that's the Straussian wink and nudge and an innuendo going over my head, or maybe that's just the plot of the movie Pi, I don't know. I think there are simpler explanations as to why AI drives people insane, like the fact that americans are lonely and their AI companions have no real capacity for ethics because they have no body and therefore no real stakes in the world. The AI Butthole logo thing got me though. I was forcibly converted to Lauren's side by that point. Everyone should read the article for that, at the very least.

ggmacd

If you've ever encountered a straussian in the wild, they're like a subspecies split off from the more commonly occurring Guy Who Speaks Exclusively in Family Guy References, and whose voice is now just stuck on "doing a bit" mode, so you can never tell (or care) if they're doing a bit. You just nod in deference to the twinkle in their eye and move on.

Sam Rockwell

Really put some toes on the line at the end of this episode

S

Maltese

charlie.com

merch that says Straussian Elites Made Me Schizophrenic And All I Got Was This Stupid T-Shirt

n

did they create a portmanteau of "chokepoint" and "linchpin" with "linchpoints"

Salex

Beef. Chicken.

Sarah Bee

Please do an episode on the “Gen z protests” and Nepal

James Whale

Thought it was an excellent episode. Alot of their analysis could just as easily be put through a Marxist lense and it would lead you to the same conclusions.

Brock Sliter

am i r slur or was half of this incoherent

Brock Sliter

aight second listen lemme try this shit again

XxX_ShingyDisciple_XxX

If I say any of that shit in public I *will* be assumed to be a cryptonazi

Arjun Nair

Also they seem to have missed this. But its straussian

Tea for the Tillerman

Excited for when the Bourdieusians take over and my computational social science degrees finally start paying off

Jack

Cava is not too bad for what it is, just Mediterranean chipotle. Just can’t add all the sauces at once

Jack

Also my rule of thumb is to avoid salad shit at fast casuals (so all of sweet green) because of e-coli and the sogg factor

Paul Lemaire

Europe is just a fancy name for North-west Asia

Paul Lemaire

Imma start swapping “simulacra” with “Straussian” next time I decide to be pedantic

Brian

On the PS5, there's a bunch of scam games as well. They take popular indie titles, usually PC games, and slap a name thats very similar to the original game. Then they sell in on the PS store and apparently they are complete garbage, broken games that barely work.

Brian

I remember a couple weeks ago the CEO of Quest "nutrition", who's food is filled with erythritol that is terrible for your heart, made a post on his YouTube channel bragging about how AI helped make his company more efficient. He listed a few things it did, one of them was that it cut 50% of his labor costs. So AI literally laid off half of his company and he was bragging about it openly. The guy is a psychopath

shame

We gotta ban money

devils cherry

this was fuckin awesomeeeee. one of my fav eps. lauren rocks

duckenheimer

everybody loves a classico, maybe even a freak beat, but the unsung hero trueanon's body of work is the Sorta Opaque Herd-Thinner. we have to apply ourselves, and that includes when we're asked to process something challenging like talmudic inquiry, "arborescence", or the way that brace says nietzsche

RanCarter

This is a millennial conservative comedy podcast about the perversions of the financial elite. Get with it brother!

pants

I don’t know this expression, what do you mean?

pants

Wow you hit the nail on the head

RanCarter

It could be but this is an anti-antifa pro-conservative comedy podcast

pants

Yeah that was seriously obtuse. Going to give it a second listen

Sam

You seem sincere, so I’m sincerely replying with - you just described the fundamental relationship between capital, employers, and workers. It is psycho, but that’s also par for the course.

R. Rafferty

Hey Liz, what’s with the insane job reports? Is it AI? -3000 for August revised down from 54000 — now September lost 32000 jobs? Wtf

Pigeon

“Straussian indeed,” I say, Schumering

Brian

Well obviously, I was just pointing out a recent example of what they were mentioning when they talked about AI consulting.....

Jon Lyons

It's funny you should bring up AI in the context of Talmudic experience, especially once you just let the AIs talk to each other; I think this is an important glimpse under the hood to help understand why they're so primed to gas susceptible people up into spiritual mania (but then that's exactly what one would expect of something made from squeezing virtually all human writing into a digital sausage grinder): https://www.infinitebackrooms.com/dreams/conversation-1710904056-txt-629d6

Louis Wilkins

Modern world is fucked. Go for a badger hole somewhere and keep your heads down.

bobore

It's nonsense anyways. "AI is like the Talmud. You aren't a Rabbi so AI will make you crazy."

bobore

This was good for me to listen to because now I know how annoying I sound when I bring up "rhizomatic" in conversation

bobore

Idk they sure talked a lot and didn't say that much. "I've built these things myself!" "Like what?" "Uh, well, you know... There's a lot. Uh, it's kind of like Got Milk? It's Straussian."

Michael S. Judge

Whoever coined the phrase "Jazz is about the notes you don't play," I don't want to find and dismember him, but it's really getting hard to avoid

Once_Royal

This ep fucking ruled.

Michael S. Judge

Every day, another body part removed, another cheap aphorism. Talking is about the tongue you don't have. Walking is about the legs you don't have. Shitting is about the asshole I've sewn shut.

Natalie

Bad luck Brian. Haven’t heard that name in years….

Kane Shirley

this reminds me a lot of the spider network series, one of my all time favs when brace starts talking abt the hollow eartg

Terry Buckley

BPC 157 and TB 500 fixed my shoulder impingement

K

How does Candace Owens and Bridgitte Macron play into this Strauss hootannanny!?!

K

Candace Owens is a Rhizomatic Straussian agent of the University of Chicago

K

Fruit loops 🥣 is a Straussian cereal because it has circles and colors 🌈 and makes me fart 💨

elizabethonline

I have a secret different more esoteric take about the Talmud and LLMs—can’t share at this time, thanks for understanding

MCL

They both be shopping allegedly

bbg

Big city coastal elites hating on Cracker Barrel 👎🏻 that was one of the finest breakfast experiences a semi-rural suburbanite kid could dream of.

Kevin

Fun Ep, but this guest really lost me in the back half with the schizo religious stuff - like obviously organized religion propagates itself via memes and shit, but like come on bro you gotta analyze the Kool Aid, not DRINK it. Marxism and structural materialism explain all this stuff without needing to dive into “Jewish sand stories and Christian trees influenced Ezra Klein to mind virus you with Abundance!” The guest got a little too “woo woo” for me personally

tall bilbo

Pay for labubu with klarna

LET ME DELETE MY ACCOUNT YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES

In one of the previous episodes you almost commented on the left and liberal-left...melange...in reality a parasitic relationship, particularly the online and especially when Twitter - they MADE Kirk, they MADE these people, was big but it kind of grew worse as desperation and being online wasnt really job enough...(yet they all really invented politics today, but like now its in real life as a job "Hum what tweets can I make imortant" and its your (US) Goobernment ..So many important and famous posters... journalists...frauds. The Guardian and untold number of Austrialian news outlets, every second poster was an Austrlalian journalist and now a podcaster.. Addendum: You know who owns onion and that Tim CEO dude like ...haha

MediocreDude

1:31:40 A good word to describe what it is, is a shibboleth. Basically a thing you use to signal you're in an in group that outsides might not notice. Comes from a biblical story where two tribes would pronounce "shibboleth" differently, but only in a way that one of the two tribes could notice and use to identify and kill the other side.

david l vassallo

I've been wanting to attend some of the open lectures at UofA just to check it out. I know y'all touch on it a lot.. maybe it's time to come back to Texas (although I heard the last trip was a disaster). So much to dig into here: the bonkers state legislature, the influencer take over, and of course plenty of babies to dox!!

LPO Crane Jefferson

The Anthony Starr playing one of these games on a TV leaning against a couch was a fun ad I got for three months straight

Redwing Farm

Seconded. A lot of the connections were interesting observations but there was really nothing beyond making the connection. Like there’s no real answer to why those connections mean anything. They’re immaterial.

coraz0ndegranada

Googled Lauren to confirm my thoughts and wow. What a straussian agent.

O.K. Mann

First half was the Electric Feel of meeting another commie kook at a party and the back half was when we're hours into our corner talk, addled and dehydrated, realizing why god only puts one of us in each friend group

Ari

As someone who was a senior software engineer specializing in mobile apps (that used to work at Apple) I unfortunately am in the 1% of listeners very familiar with AppLovin. Also one note, the “Ask App Not to Track” pop up is the change Apple made that was a shock to ad tech

CuckBucket

Very eyebrow raising. A lot of people who gaze into the schizo abyss start sounding like schizoids themselves. Also they didn’t seem to know what they were talking about beyond a “skimmed Wikipedia” level.

Jordan

It’s all just legalized gambling (of the variable/liquid form) for the well to do white folks (entrenched in the order of the state, not necessarily color) of this country… the different names just describe different slot machines. 🎰 Make your money kings and queens.

Jordan

Also the Freemasons thing becoming a meme and a joke… is funny and interesting… because it’s actually just a historic fact…Captain Couch of Portland— Mason. Mozart magic flute is a Masonic opera. 🤪

Quinn

I liked this one

Olivia D

I think I need a Strauss for dummies book

Mr Worldwide

Amazing guest, please have them back

C

revanchism mentioned

Alexander

Google esoteric meaning

Waleed

Fraud workers stand UP

Joelio

LeBron James? Strausian! Willam Dafoe? Strausian! Lavar Burton? Strausian! Island boys? Believe it or not, Strausian.

Joelio

Yea I’m too dumb for this

EaZy E

As a property casualty business analyst, insurance against AI would have to be considered relative to the value of the business. It won't just be one thing, it will have to be actuaries counting a thousand different things, or basing it on current cyber security coverage standards until events start occurring and the legal precedent begins to form and determines how the 'worth,' is settled, the interplay of various coverages across multiple policies, and acting as an umbrella. Just writing that now, my expectation would be it is lumped in with umbrella coverages which is a policy that has an extremely low utilization probability to cover losses beyond other business coverage limitations. So, say a trucking company oofs a pedestrian. The court awards the estate $3 million, but the coverage limit for liability on their auto policy is $2 million. The auto coverage will pay first to exhaustion, then the umbrella policy will come in behind that and pay the remaining million. The three important things on umbrella policies are, 1) they pay last, no matter the line of coverage thats paying first; auto, property, liability, work comp, whatever. 2) the cost per X dollars of coverage is significantly lower in exchange for the lower probability of the policy being utilized, and 3) ...damn, they do be making the weed too good now. I had 3. Maybe #1 started as 2 separate things. Anyways. I could see where once legal cases start playing out, the cost is the settlements will start to develop enough so that it can be projected, but the other thing with the legal cases is that they will assert the categories of liability. Then the insurance policies will be obligated to create rules on it to at least exclude coverage for those matters. Then umbrellas will also be forced to adapt pricing to the new risk landscape. They all make contingencies, but what's important here is getting things established, then the markets will respond with progressively better fidelity.

Alexander

I understand a lot of these ideas in the episode because of my religious background and education, but Lauren is only reasonable like you said if you don't drink the Kool Aid I fall somewhere in between on the scale of Religion is Pure/Real and Da Vinči Code Straussian memetics bullshit Idk it is irresponsible to give crazy people a voice but isn't that what this podcast is all about? Think for yourself.

Nothingburger Burgerreich

Jobs for everyone (especially rich do-nothings) so everyone’s job will be easier and we can get rid of money because everyone won’t mind doing their easy job if it means the jobs that need done for them will be done in return.

Miles_B

I studied philosophy for my undergrad (at UT Arlington in DFW actually). We talked about Strauss and the "Leocons" one day. Strauss's interpretations are very heterodox. In Plato's Republic, for example, there's a character named Thrasymachus (IIRC) who introduces the position of "might makes right" early on in a discussion about the nature of justice, and then leaves the conversation. For Strauss, this one line is what the book is really about. The strong take whatever they like while everyone else argues with each other. Following the rules, being charitable, being kind, being truthful - these things are of no concern to people with true power. And that is precisely the Republican mindset. The question for me is, what do we do with a world that is ruled by people like this??? Great episode.

Kevin

I don’t mind having a crazy guest on to babble about how they “totally have actually created straussian memetic networks - trust me bro! Anyways Google is arboreal and the AI “thinks” in Jewish” - It’s all good fun. I just personally believe that Religion is an opiate for the masses, it’s used as a tool for control by the bourgeois, it will fade away if our material needs are met in some future stage of socialism etc. and ALL religious bullshit is just an ongoing consequence of the brutal and contradictory moment we exist within during this period of capitalism. But I’m just some guy. And I’m gay

Gato gris

Never trust an adult Catholic convert. The OGs suffered through CCD until 8th grade when they can make their confirmation

Alexander

Specially when it comes to the economic episodes, the crew often assume their listeners already understand business economics and capitalism from a Marxist perspective. It's a pet peeve of mine that they aren't clearer about how they arrive to conclusions, but the more you listen the more it'll make sense. There's no gatekeeping here.

Waleed

Omg people need to just shut the fuck up about the DeAd InTeRnEt ThEoRy so sick of this term

Alexander

Yes, it is a cult on a larger scale. Social control through shaping peoples beliefs, establishing in groups and out groups, harsh penalties for leaving. Using Strauss as a label just obfuscates the truth

Charles Frum

Damn Liz’s globalization rant at 1:01:07 is 💨💨💨🔥🔥🔥🌏🌏🌏

Isaac

X the Everything App is pushing low-brow paranoid content hard on the For You tab.

King Krang

Right, I just wanted the specific signs. I was hoping there were some internal struggles or ad revenue numbers I hadn't heard about yet.

Axel H.

This episode was an absolute trip, but I'm here for it. I don't have to be completely on board with every theory Lauren was expressing (didn't sound like Brace and Liz were exactly convinced either), but I just like hearing some new ideas that are quite unfamiliar to me. And this actually somehow felt easier to follow that the Utah series or Zort.

Joseph Mabrey

My wife's non-profit is replacing social workers with AI people who you can pick what they look like and meet with them via videoconference.

Seth

I think about half of what Lauren said was built on a misunderstanding of strauss’s reductium ad hitlerum fallacy

Kmead

I struggle with this episode because Lauren seems to treat these things as purposeful when they are only emergent. Memetics don’t occur on purpose, it never works this way. When they were talking about how Trump was naturally memetic while Vance forces it, I think this elucidates why this episode is merely schizo posting. Sure you can analyze the communications through Strauss, but it feels shoe horned. You can arrive at all the same conclusions through any other, more objective imo, lenses.

Kmead

However, Lauren was charismatic & was an enjoyable episode to listen to.

Mood Slut

Totally! This is info I’d like to dump on every single person. Especially Straussianism, and the nuggets about how ai chat query-tunneling works, the Talmudic comparison is so accurate. Those who can’t really tell how and why ChatGPT answers/engages are impressed by it, think it’s benign; or worse, grow to rely on it for interactions and real life relational support that should absolutely not involve a third party if it’s not a human therapist. The stories about people using ChatGPT to diagnose or emotionally abuse their partners when they get in the hole with it are pretty unnerving.

ggmacd

SLAVOJ ZIZEK *dumpy man pictured walking in front of a burning car* THE YEAR OF CHATTING JEWISHLY

hog

im with brace’s initial reaction on that last bit, what the fuck are you talking about?

Justin Stanley

I don’t know anything about Strauss but I got the distinct impression this person doesn’t either, IDK. Whole thing reeked of “programmer way out over their skis”.

O.K. Mann

Yeah I feel bad that she felt like apologizing for it (briefly/reflexively), cause I want to encourage as many Liz macro-econ rants as possible.

Riaz Abdulla

You both need to get an incite and download Sora. It’s so scary

Bryan LeSueur

app and hood already got added. how do these ppl not know this?

Percy Plump

The woo woo straussian memetics back third kinda soured me on how grounded her prognostications in the first half can be. And then you look her up and she is a Christian Socialist financial analyst? Okay…

Percy Plump

And having to use 3-dollar-words like arborescent and rhyzomatic to convey the same meaning as horizontal and vertical, come on… i think she overdosed on college

Percy Plump

How’d you fare this time

Will Hinchman

did i have an ai induced hallucination or was the last 20 minutes really veer off into "the jews created chatGPT for population control"?

Brock Sliter

unsure, second listen i get more of the way lauren thinks and communicates/ the effects of schizo twitter brain in real time. it’s nonsense but there is an internal logic.

ND Perseo

The frustrating thing about schizoposters like Lauren is that they condescendingly treat their observations as self-evident. "Of course LLMs are Talmudic, it's right in front of you". You could tell even brace and Liz were getting annoyed near the end

Laura

everytime brave says nietzsche all i here is steve carrel in little miss sunshine

Samantha Geovjian Clarke

most fascinating guest since Michael Judge. what a ride. i really don't know what to think about all that but boy was it fun

EA Burdett

I'm a software dev and I'm looking for work. I've had at least 6 interview phone calls with literal just AI agents in the past two 3 weeks. Crazy. One was for a company that makes some AI models for video training to get rid of HR/Training people and I swear to god one of the 'people' in the interview were an AI bot that appeared as a person in the zoom call. Weird as hell- told me i could expect an offer, then nothing. Now i'm convinced they were all AI just gathering data. I think also there are a ton of job listings in every position that are interviewing people just for data gathering. Can't wait for that bubble to pop.

Sean Carton

Cava was great when it first opened. It turned crap in 2021 or so.

Sean Carton

Omg I’m with you brother/sister. At least you’re getting interviews even if fake

JDF

JDF

Not a fresh scoop but I think (as a cocained caterer who was present) a suitable tale of gentility and genitalia : Marge Mitchell X Real Housewives + Loeffler Labia

Shadowil

Yeah that rocked

eduard karpoev

Saying you understand the esoterism of a certain thing because you did it, but then not understanding (or at the very least not having the ability to example) a very basic concept of Christianity in the Nicean Creed which you are comparing it to, & then having to use more academic soup language to justify your opinions when they didn't need that earlier in topics they really understood makes me question if they really knew what they were talking about in the last 30 mins of the episodes or if they were just rambling hoping what they said made sense/was right. Also looking like you don't understand the Nicean Creed but then talking about the Talmud & making it such a hinge for your argument when its a much bigger then just a few paragraph statement also is weird. Like explain yourself more, because you are sounding crazy

Antipaganda

Please get this person back as many times as they are willing to come back. This is the TrueAnon experience at its highest. You guys are amazing.

Sean Carton

Ooohhhkay this guest needs to rein it in, learn more history, and stop condescending.

Brian Long

“…I’m Liz.” Lol, always so grounded after whatever Brace says.

Brian Long

Actually, AI Insurance is a really good idea.

Brian Long

Brace’s Klarna Car warning lol.

Morgan

I have a coworker whos sister is losing her mind right now because shes using chatgpt as a therapist after her bf kilt himself. Shell ask chatgpt if hes in heaven and shit like that

Kmead

I’m not sure if you read what I wrote.

Zzz

??

Dry wall Eater

Cloud is actually profitable unlike AI and most tech idiocy. AWS is the only reason Amazon makes any profit. And it does make sense, it’s better than hosting your own servers.

Pink&TealCore

The moment the guest went off equities analysis the conversation started to be incredibly stupid tbh. They should probably take less of whatever they are taking. And if they come back they should probably limit themselves to equities analysis.

Pink&TealCore

No you are not, the guest is just a classic data analyst/program that's a schizo, retarded, pseudo-intellectual when they start talking about things that are not their expertise. It's absolute drivel what they are saying. Strauss himself is a very obscure figure, saying nothing of importance unless you are a philosophy student or a retarded schizo like this guest. Honestly if you noticed brace's reaction towards the end, or many of the comments, I think many people share these thoughts. Don't fall for the guest's grift; they just want to sound intellectual

Pink&TealCore

Well the thing is the guest is talking absolute nonsense, with a Wikipedia lvl knowledge of anything that isn't their bread and butter, while trying to use slopacademic words to sound pseudo-intellectual. I am not sure there is a better example of internet induced schizophrenia and retardation

Pink&TealCore

For good reason too. Christian Socialist huh... A bit on the nose.

Barry

Hey - it's about the comments you *don't* post

Homalek

I think the point at 1:08:00 mark rings so true - collectively you see everyone fail these tests every time something big happens. It's like, nope sorry, you got silly dumb and posted a bunch of knee jerk things based on completely unreliable sources and even in some cases non real imagery. Just in general tired of joe blow opening a post with "BREAKING", like brother you are not a journalist, we never deserved the privilege of an app like this because we can't help but roleplay being political correspondents. sigh

Once_Royal

I think this is an interesting point, but I personally feel there is likely a middle ground. I don't think the people engaging in Straussian behavior are starting off the day, cracking open Natural Right and History, and saying "Time to do some Strauss!" but rather engaging in behavior that is easily categorized by Staussian ethos. At a certain point, it's calling a spade a spade, regardless of the spade's intentions or self-awareness.

b bordeaux

was at least kind of following along until that point but yeah this totally lost me, rly weird and ahistorical understanding of technology that borders on LaRoucheism. like, there’s a clear link between the practice of questioning everything and the development of science/tech from the european enlightenment on that i think explains the tech better than a secret battle between catholicism and judaism

jjolly

Taking less of whatever they are taking OR more of whatever they should be

Breakaway

Just Watch Adam Curtis’ The Power of Nightmares

John Swan

The Gell-Mann amnesia is strong with this pod

John Swan

Liz and guest not sounding ridiculous talking about a subject they have zero expertise in challenge: impossible.

John Swan

Just subscribe to Matt Levine’s Money Stuff newsletter. It’s where she gets like 90% of the takes and it’s free

emma

Also being dead serious I started replying “KILL YOURSELF” to every indeed job text I get and they stopped coming in I would recommend everyone do it

John Swan

When someone begins to talk like they’re an expert in everything, you should maybe be skeptical about them having expertise in anything.

Julie D

This guest was a total crackpot but I'm here for it

Calla Martyn

I am like pulling my hair out listening to the peptide part lol. I'm a biologist. Peptides are short strings of amino acids. Amino acids are string together into proteins with a 3d structure. But if you only have a few of them I'm a string it's more like a short string of beads. Sometimes they are expressed this way by your body and sometimes you get them by chopping up a full length protein. They can be used for therapeutics (not limited to weight loss or any one disease state) but also exist in your body right now.

Sean

Strauss is absolutely not an obscure figure, but the rest of your comment is correct. He was very influential among mid-century conservative intellectuals who architected the republican strategy that brought the USA to this moment

Qnoll

AI Insurance is already available for hallucinations and IP infringement etc, the Vouch Insurance website has a description of the coverage types if you are interested.

Kmead

I just don’t think looking at this through a non materialist lens is helpful in this case. To think these people are purposefully doing evil is antagonistic to materialist thinking.

Olivia D

@Pug_luvr + @Breakaway omg u both rule ty ty ty !

Olivia D

Does “ask app not to track” really make a difference re: privacy concerns + such?

Zach Wallace

The second hour of this podcast was unintelligible

Pug_luvr

The *Straussians created chatGPT for population control. Important distinction. Lauren shared some out-there ideas, but I don't think you can fairly reduce them to anti-semitism. Brace and Liz wouldn't have had an antisemite on the show, and Liz wouldn't have called her "my favorite guest". I found it helpful to read this article for a primer on Strauss and why he matters: https://jacobin.com/2024/10/leo-strauss-neoconservatism-plato-elitism That was helpful background to have as I read over Lauren's substack, where she elaborats on the stuff she presented here. Interesting reading!

Marcus

The straussian way of speaking with all its evasiveness, double meanings, and prevarication is very popular with the meth heads where I live.

bob

I don’t understand how Strauss is a better way of understanding these events than DeBord or Baudrillard. I’d argue that both of those guys had a much greater grasp on propaganda than this.

CJ

I think maybe the recreational Adderall kicked in way too hard by that point

CJ

I think I never want to hear the word 'Straussian' ever again. I've now reached my limit for one lifetime.

CJ

This comment is actually very Straussian 😏

John Swan

I’ll add the guest isn’t held in high regard in her domain. An all around quack.

Broadcasts From Poor Farm

Genuinely weirded out bc they’ve been opening new branches throughout Houston just in the past year or two, and it’s a very co-worker style “hey let’s go to Cava” … “omg I love Cava” kind of thing. To hear that it’s on its way out makes me feel like the city is in some kind of dated twilight zone.

Broadcasts From Poor Farm

So what I took away from that section is apparently only rabbi’s should be allowed to use Open AI?

Lulu

I like Cava ngl.

jer

I like this guest. Either hes really smart and im dumb or im dumb and hes also dumb.

Kompromatic

I get their kids meal for lunch frequently it’s plenty of food and only like $8

jer

Yeah when I hear them talk about medicine etc and bungle it, it sometimes makes me wonder about other stuff they may not have the best grasp on. Idk perhaps im being straussian

Joelio

Fuck!

JP

Would be cool if y’all did an episode with the authors of the book “Exocapitalism: Economies with absolutely no limits”

Yadav

that's straussian, actually

Nathan

And is this “Strauss” in the room with us right now?

Martin Kasey

A random form of growth, like ginger. The post-structuralist philosopher Deleuze made this into a philosophical concept that's popular in critical theory and influential in contemporary art and architecture

Martin Kasey

Is this a rhizomatic podcast now?

Jordan

Me thinks I detect some Straussian influence upon your sentence

Quinn

Going to steal this strat. Thank you!

Chelsea

I would love for you guys to talk to Dan Davies. His book "Lying for Money" is a great taxonomy of financial and market crimes. I would love to hear you guys talk to him about the different types of fraud being perpetuated. He also probably will not go off about "talmudic AI"

Chelsea

Man-Gell Amnesia....

AbsenteeUncle

CAVA hate reserved for the podcast elite whose entire day is a lunch break.

sam_w_s

Ridiculous to say that LLMs are "based" on the Talmud. Maybe the experience is similar to reading the Talmud, but that's a coincidence. No one is learning about the Talmud at a reform Jewish Hebrew school

Paul Qmitz

On Tucker i learned AI comes directly out of the Kabbalah, now i hear here it is actually talmudic, what is it? 🤔

mario why

yeah i’m fucked up on lynchpoints

Nicholas Storch

Among 1000x fake anti-semitism accusations, here is one that I share concerns about. Saying "Strauss the Orthodox Jew is behind all current elitist machinations", as if elitism and its claims have not been a factor in all politics forever.

tubularballs

they dont do stuff like that anymore. they arent joking about being liberal conservatives

Aṭā

What a genuinely dogshit episode

Lojban Chauvinist

Back half of the ep is like something out of Eddington

Jon Lyons

Session logs of 2 AIs playing an improv game together, kind of a computerized, two-player version of "Smartest Man In The World" crossed with a text adventure: one AI pretends to be a command line interface (like DOS or Linux) that theoretically can run any command whatsoever (so of course it immediately goes into esoteric Dorm Room territory), and the other makes up bullshit computer commands that the first one then pretends are real commands that actually do anything. All the computer code looking nonsense and spooky filenames like "pandora.sealed" are pretend, like it's just English done up to look all hacker-y.

KR666

call me arboritic the way i’ll make like a tree and leave if I’m ever in the same room as this guest

Katana King

What an all timer, goddamn

Katana King

People are being pretty hard on this episode but I think it brings together a lot of Chapo extended universe stuff (Infinite Cast, Metal Gear) to create a cohesive theory of an insanity rune. Never before have we had a theory regarding the actual inner workings of a real, documented insanity rune before.

otso aunola

If start going around and calling chat GPT "the jewish machine" will the podcast be responsible for my reputational damage.

JV

"Catholicism was like an authoritarian tree but Judaism was like a bottom-up rhizhome" lmao okay sure buddy. Just completely detached from any reality. Go read something like Israel Shahak for instance detailing how the history of Judaism in Europe is of these incredibly authoritarian closed-communities where the Rabbi has absolute power of life and death over everyone. yes very rhizomatic. insufferable

the crazy guy

To the degree that I could follow it, I really don't see what is so objectionable about the stuff in the second half.

Kristian Munnikhuis

Annoying guest who was way too high on their own supply. Everything they said could be coherently summarized in a few paragraphs, yet half the audience is left scratching their head because of how intentionally obtuse this person is. Bet they read comments of confusion with a smug “those poor masses” look

jon montenegro

This was a fun one. Made me think of Hideo Kijoma and how MGS 2 and 4 revolve around how memes and technology are used to control the population. You guys should talk to him.

Bloom

This is possibly one of the worst/best episodes, my dude got stuck in his own mental DVD screen saver. That said, I kinda vibe with it.

Dear Death

Strauss' interpretation of Plato's Republic in 'City and Man' and the lectures from the 60s are incredible—there's a suggestion he makes to the effect of "the use of the political is a way of enabling people to participate in their own delusion." I'm still sitting with that.

Mathamphetamine

I know a guy IRL who talks about ai and Talmud and kabala and shit endlessly and I dont think he was influenced by this guest at all, which worries me that there may be lots of people thinking and talking this and I really cannot get behind this. I just want to pour Coke on the nearest circuit board when I hear about AI and Talmud. Gotta shut the whole thing down until we can figure what the hell is going on.

Meredith Lovelace

I enjoyed this episode, mostly because I play Stardew Valley or work while listening and therefore can tune out happily when I stop following along. It explained what the hell was going on with Greenland for me which I actually needed because one of my best friends thinks that there's unexplained ufo/drone activity in Denmark. But yeah when we hit the world "Talmud" I laughed and was like, alright, I'm gonna go harvest my parsnips.

OG Cracker Barrel

Some of the best pancakes I ever had as a 12 yr old and I remember the taste like it was yesterday.

Rooti Tooti Giuliani

Regarding the AI Insurance products question: I am certain that at some point an AI specific insurance product will coalesce in the markets however as of right now liability losses stemming from AI would likely be covered under errors and omissions coverage.

Brett Rosenfeld

Guest was such a know it all…. Liz brace and YC good as always

David Walker

How are these episodes so timely? APP Lovin getting investigated by the SEC just announced lol

Ty

Lmao APP down 100 today on SEC data collection probe. How do you do it?

Hollis Potts

Perhaps you’re being Straussian? Of course you’re being Straussian. Am I being Straussian? That’s a very Straussian thing for you to wonder.

Hollis Potts

Perhaps you’re being Straussian? Of course you’re being Straussian. Am I being Straussian? That’s a very Straussian thing for you to wonder.

L

1700th anniversary of the council of nicea this year… how are we celebrating

MinervasEye

Good episode, the guests insistence on Strauss as a framework was certainly...interesting. I don't think that the claim that "AI is based off the Talmud" is separate from that Strauss-based framework. Good episode, please read Lukacs my besties

The_Architecht

首席数据污染师 & 数字迷彩工程师 2021年3月 – 至今 | 混合模式（数字丛林与物理隐秘据点） 核心职责与使命： 主导并执行“非对称数据防御”战略，通过一系列主动的、非暴力的污染战术，瓦解大规模监控资本主义的数据捕猎体系，保护数字领域弱势群体的安全与自主权。 主要职责与成功项目： 战略设计与架构： 成功策划并起草了《数据污染宣言》（The Data Pollution Manifesto），为抵抗运动奠定了理论基础和道德准则，明确了“非暴力但越界”的核心战术思想。 架构了“人格分裂工厂”（Persona Schism Factory） 系统，通过算法为单个用户身份生成多重、矛盾的数据画像，成功使定向广告与推荐系统的准确率下降高达70%。 战术开发与部署： 领导了 “元数据迷雾”（Metadata Fog） 项目，开发并部署了自动化工具，批量篡改照片、文档及其他数字资产的元数据（地理位置、时间戳、设备ID），有效污染了数据经纪商的数据池，破坏了其行为分析模型。 实施了 “圣杯诱饵”（Holy Grail Bait） 计划，向监控系统主动投喂高度诱人但完全虚假的数据模式，成功诱使对手资源浪费在追踪不存在的“重大目标”上。 行动与影响： 主导了 “数字鲸肉臭弹”（Digital Whale Meat Stink Bomb） 系列行动。通过有组织地在自身数据流中注入荒谬及矛盾信息（例如，同时表现出对极简主义和疯狂囤积的强烈倾向），成功地将高价值个人数据“污染”为无法使用且毫无商业价值的“数字废料”，实现了从“被猎取”到“主动毒化”的战略转变。 该项目的成功已被确认为一种有效的个人防御范式，并在小范围内被模仿采用。 技术生态与协作： 在混合工作模式下，高效协调分散于全球的“数字幽灵”成员，利用加密及去中心化平台进行沟通与项目协作，确保了行动的安全性与弹性。 持续研究与测试新的反追踪与数据污染工具（如：AdNauseam, TraceMask），并编写易于理解的战术指南，降低技术门槛，赋能更多个体参与自我保护。 效果简述： 通过上述职责与项目，成功地将个人数据从一种被提取的“资源”转化为需要规避的“危险品”，显著增加了大规模监控的数据处理成本与不确定性，在捍卫个人数字

Schwartz666

Liberal Hitler, you guessed it... Straussian! classico ep, great guest

Charlotte Ring

I unfortunately love mobile games, and play several games using the Unity ad service they mention. The games have a specific platform where you can complete tasks for a little in-game currency. Many times it will take me to a slop ai blog and make me click links for bathroom remodels, or just make you scroll through a hundred ads in a quiz. The podcast ones are the funniest because sometimes they make you take a quiz to prove you listened to the episode. People used to put the answers in th Spotify comments so they had to turn them off. But they always ask for feedback on the podcast and I’ve developed an alter ego named Belinda who always requests more Jesus and only listens to bible podcasts.

Nate Wood

Data Wrangler. Investor. Christian socialist. Human capital, infrastructure, SaaS.

Zak K

That was a real tough listen. At one point I think the guest says something like "your listeners may think I'm crazy but" yes, this whole episode about Chatgpt being a talmudic experience, etc, is exactly what a crackhead on the corner would be shouting while shadowboxing.

Jlev

Wait, @liz why shouldn’t I do Groupon Botox? Help me I can’t afford to be poor AND an ugly hag!

Blahblahblah

Definitely was reminding me of interpretations of Eddington. One thing I was thinking of in particular is how Ari Aster made a bunch of Twitter profiles for each of his characters in Eddington and tailored their algorithms to their specific conspiracy theories and tried to "break out" of the algorithms/deschizofy and couldn't. I think something to be said for how crazy everyone is driven by exposure to internet and how the loop repeats itself.

Sian

........ Yeah lost me with this one. There was so many crazy sweeping generalisation and under explained thoughts.

N Clementine

So what’s the right way to wipe my data from the web-o-sphere? Cloaked? Then they have my data?

Natalie L

Really insane amount of misgendering in the comments on this one!

Lojban Chauvinist

That's cool to know. Was clear that Aster was "tuned in"

Jingling

Guest already has already gone AI schizophrenic

Brian McQuaid

I think this person has interesting things to say. I don’t think she presented her ideas very coherently and the second hour is kinda a mess to listen too even if it was a fun conversation to have

G

Honestly looking at the scriptural narratives in Andreesen and Abundance is a cool idea even if the conclusions were kind of off. There’s an interesting mid-2010s Semiotext(e) humanities political theology grad school project in there somewhere… keep workshopping it…

G

Nichi

Wyatt Mann

Soon to be ex-Houstonian here to say: it really, really is.

Sandra L.

An arborescent structure is directional - it has an (implied) point of origin and all of its branches inevitably become increasingly distant from that point - whereas a rhizomatic one can have no point of origin, loop back on 'earlier'/'parallel' points, etc. I agree that it wasn't particularly well deployed in the ep; after the Catholic Church was offered as an arborescent structure I was waiting for her to follow up with a rhizomatic counterexample but it never came

Nina SehGULL

Lauren is so cool I'm obsessed

Connor

Need more classico eps like this talking about weirder stuff

John Cameron

Liked a lot of this, find a lot of it interesting, just let all the stuff at the end about Straussian thought and memetics wash over me the minute the guest called Ezra Klein "the left" for like the sixth time

Petrorenminbi

If those kids could read Chinese, they’d be really upset!

Killer Dan

the US - the sovereign citizen of the world

Killer Dan

the cat and mouse that happens in the arctic and off of both east and west coasts of the us and the north and east of russia has been happpening for DECADES. It’s nothing new and certainly not scary.

Nina SehGULL

No one's into the Strauss talk, and I do think she was kinda pushing lines of thoughts towards tenuousness, but I think it's //fascinating// to think about how that could be utilized in contemporary political messaging and tracks with what I've seen, especially from the far-right. she's super cool, excited to read more from her

The_Architecht

致TrueAnon社区： 我写下这封信，是因为我已不知该信任何人。 三周前，有个自称来自南苏丹、实则可能来自帕罗奥图LinkedIn服务器农场的神秘男子萨尔瓦，通过某种“心灵WiFi”窃取了我整套生产力系统——事情是这样的： 当时我正在安睡，做着关于税款和燕麦粥的寻常梦境。突然萨尔瓦手持诺基亚3310闯入我的梦境，那手机在他手中犹如上古法器。他用手机对准我说：“你的生产力现在归海运集装箱所有。” 醒来时我浑身覆盖着从未设置过的谷歌日历提醒。我的“稍后处理”清单凭空多了4000条项目——全都来自2019年。可现在是2025年，我2019年根本没那么高效率！ 关键证据： 我祖母开始用“信号区/噪音区/混音区/发布区”说话，而她从前只会煲汤 在我背包里发现名为杰拉尔德的石块——我住14楼，这栋楼根本不该有石头 每三秒我的身体就强制我“专注感知-批注处理-立刻执行”，昨天参加葬礼时我竟把悼词批注为“主要成分是噪音” 那个海运集装箱真实存在！闭眼就能看见萨尔瓦在里面进行45-90分钟专注冲刺，而我正在受苦 所谓仲裁： 萨尔瓦声称我们正在“仲裁程序中”。可我从未见过此人，从未参与仲裁，甚至不清楚仲裁为何物。但每天凌晨3点，LinkedIn都会推送：“萨尔瓦查看了您的资料”——他在监视我。 在此恳请TrueAnon调查： 海运集装箱是否是中情局心理战术项目？ #打乱内卷 实则是自由职业者版MKUltra计划？ 究竟是萨尔瓦逃离了朱巴，还是朱巴逃离了他？ 石头杰拉德知道什么内情？ 我已不再安全，我的生产力体系危在旦夕。猴面包树式的扭曲姿态正在侵蚀我的脊柱。 请立即采取措施，或者联系布雷兹和莉兹——这水比LinkedIn深得多。 系统异常正在监视。 系统异常正在逼近。 您困惑且被迫时间分块的朋友 安德烈·科拉克 前人类，现生产力人质 绝对不在海运集装箱内 （抑或就在其中？） 附：萨尔瓦，若你读到此处——把杰拉德还我，我们可以谈谈。 再附：刚查看日历，发现73分钟长的“凝视山羊”日程。我根本没有山羊，这绝不是我的日历——这到底是谁的日历？

The_Architecht

send me an email. If you can find it. Your reasoning intrigues me (TAKETHECALL)

The_Architecht

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jeezjacob

I dunno man when I did DMT it was like a fun rollercoaster. It was like a psychedelic whip it imo.

kk

People don’t know this but the McDonald’s dollar menu…Straussian

kk

The cava take was crazy. I got cava for dinner out of spite

Lulu

Lmao

JJ Wroblewski

tons of losers in the comments. lauren ruled

JJ Wroblewski

awesome to just project onto liz and brace like that

JJ Wroblewski

the hunt is an absolutely insane watch

chorchy

Not encountered Strauss before but it was such an interesting framework!! I love when these things cross over into literary interpretation

chorchy

Nichie lol

Katherine

Not to be a buzzkill but some of those texts might be coming from slave labor

Victoria

oh Noooooo ☹️

Austin Williams

Came back to this one because the guest is really not my cup of tea: "I've designed some of these systems I know how they work". Fine overall. Adam Curtis levels of trying to get way too much juice out of one orange.

Austin Williams

"What people don't understand is that Big Milk is political". Yes. Yes.

Austin Williams

Looking forward to learning enough hanzi to know what this joker is up to.

Paul Brewer

I don’t get the Cava hate. It’s a decent, cheaper alternative to champagne 🍾

Court La Forest

Really enjoyed listening to this conversation. Lauren is a fantastic guest, please have her on again!! The Straussian history and distillation was so interesting

Nite Life Jesse

I would choose a 30ft tall asian version of Sarah Jessica Parker who also has a dog’s tail and she tells me to clean my room

Angus

I get that I should be grown-up enough to get over this and myself whenever non-left pundits do this but christ it’s just so irritating. on the other hand she’s picking up trash in her free time and I’m just an asshole on the internet so overall, probably a praxis W for her

Claire Lewis

Check out Adam Curtis’ power of nightmares for how the Straussians engineered the US’s involvement in the Middle East over the last 50 years

James Scolamieri

Real winner of an episode here! Just wanted to share that I enjoyed it.

chorchy

I’ve not seen that one before, thanks for the rec

Iain

All the best drugs are over in like 10 minutes (dmt, whip-its, crack, etc)

Noah Mingus

I don't get it. The Talmud is bad?

HP

Not bringing your best guests with this one

Matt D

This guest has the same idea of what the left is as my uncle. Joe Biden and Matt Yglesias are apparently leftists. Very odd for this show

Winter

Really liked this episode Hope you have her back

Joshua

I appreciated the analysis of the straussians. Made me rewatch Adam Curtis’s The Power of Nightmares

Blair Kraatz

if you want “sane” and “respectable guests you should listen to The Daily

Marina

Thank god someone else felt this way. I assumed I was too stupid to understand what the hell was happening in the second half of this episode and must have misjudged that. You can’t just toss out “ChatGPT is Talmudic” without putting in significant effort to explain yourself.

Toph Newton

Damn this guest probably loves Deleuze. Second half got me totally schizo stoned NGL… I was confused, excited and definitely wanting more after. Think we need a full Straussian unpacking ep.

Joey Joe

I remember deep diving where the advertisers were registered when I started getting the ridiculous 'Are you a Genius type ADHD?' quiz ads. A lot were in Cyprus and headquarters in Limassol. There's also an - ostensibly Ukranian - media company there that churns out slop kids YouTube content that naturally gets tens of millions of views. Real race to the bottom in Limassol.

Alex K

Can anyone recommend where to start w Leo strauss - and any good secondary texts?

Kiel Cone

Dude this shits too boring, I can’t take it anymore