Home
Creators
Search Recent Random
Posts
Search DMs Popular Hash Lookup Tags Random
Importer
Import FAQ
Register Favorites Keys Review DMs Logout
Community
Telegram ThePornDude
Home Creators Posts Import Register Favorites Logout

Episode 18: DARPA Marx (Patreon)

Published:
2019-10-15 06:26:12
Edited:
2024-03-04 01:50:33
Imported:
2026-06
Tags:

Downloads

Content

Brace and Liz are joined by Ben Tarnoff, founding editor of Logic Magazine, to figure out what the hell is going on with this internet business.

Files

Comments

Cameron

Going back and listening to old missed episodes and all I can hear is brace breathing at 26 minutes and I have to assume it’s brace because I just think Liz would be too aware to breathe that loud

John M.

I love to fall asleep to Brace's heavy breathing.

Alanah Pecha

Capital steals money through our labour, and now they make money by stealing our art, our faces, our internet browsing, "data" as a whole. We are the product that is being stolen away for no labour so it's the most nefarious.

Max

One of the great moments in the Iran war was, when Iran bombed two AWS data centres, taking down a variety of websites in the region. Showing that you can turn off in the internet in very analog ways.

Max

There in fact is no social credit system in China, the more accurately translated social trust system, is only concerned with public officials and businesses. The only trial of a real social credit system for every citizen, was implemented by the overly eager local government of Rongchen, has now been scaled down to a bonus system for social engagement, with no punishments. The central government’s ordinance has just been misread to an absurd degree by western media, and the local government of Rongchen somewhat as well.

Ally Peyton

here is a text I just sent to my friends: crazy exchange I just unearthed in ep 18 intro: Brace: Liz, you have one of the highest ranking OnlyCams in human history. Liz, incredulously and with a note of knowing Brace is wrong: OnlyCams? YC, faintly from the background: OnlyFans? Brace: Only Cams! It’s like, what girls in DSA do if they need to make rent! YC, in post: *womp womp* sound effect Brace: “Just kidding, Liz isn’t in DSA.” YC, in post: *badum tss* sound effect

Erin

ROBODEBT is what it was called in Australia. It has been found to be illegal in court and no one has been punished of course. The same system is now going to be used for aged care and disability services. Rick Morton wrote a book about it called "Mean Streak"

Cal Fenton

I agree with Liz concerning 'digital labour' or whatever we want to call it. Just arguing for a compensation for your commodities data is insufficient, and not a move away from capitalist social relations, in fact, the opposite. It reminds me of the 'Wages For Housework' movement in the '70s arguing that since domestic labour was not commodified and compensated to housewives in the form of a wage, it was a contradiction. It is a helpful argument only to expose the limits/contradictions of capitalism, but not as an actual demand. Labour itself is abstract here and surely the point is that the entire valuation of it needs to be abandoned? Reforms in policy will never be anti-capitalist. Only ending production of value. Labour as a commodity should be abolished, not new forms of it discovered, recompensed and integrated into the market. Also, dead right about the speculative nature of it, they're profitable due to market-valuation, not for necessarily for their production itself. Right now Capital is sitting on these companies and seeing when the crunch happens, how they can open new avenues for exploitation. But I think it's best service to capitalism is as an effective system to channel advertising/propaganda.

L

*ahem* ancestry.com *ahem* Fit bit *ahem* bio data hoarding *ahem

Dr. Ron Jambo

God porn, of course: Jacking off to infinity while listening to the sublimes

Benjamin Cheney

Everyone must read Surveillance Valley as well

Sam Dennis

Just finished this, absolute must read

Gabo Goff

Can we get a discount code for logic?

Kevin Tabor

I think the Lutz Dammbeck documentary The Net is a really great companion to this interview.

Kevin Tabor

and Stuart Pivar might have been confused about which Epstein he was connecting to Ted Kaczynski...

Mike Bilbe-Taylor

Really great episode, where can I find the show notes?

Jacques Robespierre

Having been in the military, Liz’ theory about the professionalization of the military removing many of its ideologues is true, but it’s largely been replaced with the same, softer, quieter ideology that pervades the rest of our liberal bureaucracy that is at times infinitely crueler. I know current and former officers who see no problem considering themselves “on the left” without feeling shame or regret or having any kind of moral opposition to anything they were asked to do.

Eric Neilson

Nobody mentioned Yasha Levine's book "Surveillance Valley"... seems surprising.

Monty Tenderson

these kinds of episodes (which includes the recent one with Jodi Dean) are incredibly good and incredibly helpful/important

Knosnothing

Awe they were so young and enthusiastic and Liz's voice sounds a little different

Daniel

Her voice really does sound a bit different … guess 200+ episodes of podcasts could do that to a person. V cute to revisit this after nearly 3 years(!!!!). Such home-y vibes when they recorded like this pre covid times