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Episode 73: Phase III (Patreon)

Published:
2020-06-07 08:02:18
Edited:
2024-10-11 00:17:55
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2026-06
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We talk through the events of the past week and take stock of the civil unrest sweeping the nation

On Social Sadism by China Miéville

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Robert

Epic episode. Let Brace rant.

Aaaaaaaaaaaron1

loved this episode. Looking back at the protests years later, I think one of the more significant things they did was create a few moments that helped people imagine a better world. Dancing in the street, realizing you and your buddies can flip a cop car over. being outside and realizing you are part of a community. i think people know that real political change comes from building a party/movement with no shortcuts but moments like these help motivate people to put in that work, it makes the end goal seem more possible *Edit-- yall stated this in a much better way in the section I listened to right after making this comment

Thom Main

Obviously very late on this one but what’s with Liz saying there is 30-40% unemployment at 41:15?? Am I missing something? Everything I can find says it peaked at just under 15% in 2020

Wendi Byther

I don’t even know how to explain how I feel listening to this five years after it aired

Wendi Byther

The concept of “stepping back for a moment to think” in the face of a crisis keeps coming up lately

Lars

Truly a remarkable episode. Invites multiple listens. I'm here in 2025, 5 years after George Floyd's murder. Thanks for doing what ya'll do.

Josh

Another truly amazing episode

loicdupre

Could you also add a link to that Lenin text you read, please?

Lucien

More Theory Cast, please!

Valaefor

Hey! I'm from Oly!! Brace is super not wrong

Heather

thanks for this one i needed it <3

Johannes Liess

Great episode, guys. Ending with Lenin + Melville was top notch for this level headed assessment of the situation. Helped me a lot to get a sense of what is happening in the States right now. Really appreciate it.

Jack

This reminds me of the method used by Dionysius The Areopagite to define the supreme reality through a series of negations. “God is not this, God is not that, God is not the other, etc.” In the same way the artist removes stone to reveal the sculpture underneath, saying what this moment in history is UNLIKE is imperfect but still a fascinating and insightful method. It’s a breath of cool (zone) air amid all the frantic comparisons!

DumbDumDumbDumb

Mad ups for referencing Mieville, subscribe to Salvage if you can, they're primo theory

Anthony D Cox

Music is great in this one. Is that an MS-20?

Hannah

Missed u angels

Jack

“Soldier” comes from Italian soldato, past participle of soldare, from soldo (“money, military pay”) 👀

Matelda

I don't know anyone working for police/prison abolition who doesn't understand it as part of the abolition of class society. So I'm not sure who that rant was directed towards

Woke Batou

Thanks for posting the Mieville piece! I've read his fiction and October and really appreciate further reading

Taz

The bit of Lenin on adventurism helped me put words to so much of what I have been worried about. Action for actions sake. Great, great ep

Alex

Liz is so fuckin smart dude

E

Brilliant

guy incognito

the reform vs abolition thing is a strategy to keep anti-police movements from becoming reformist. it pushes people away from the more useless reforms like body cameras and bias training which, because of being palatable, put activists on a path to progressive careerism. keeps people working on things like defunding the police and opposing new prisons. these struggles educate people on the fundamental contradictions of their city and state governments. imo its the only way people consistently go from being into criminal justice reform to being anti-capitalist. anyway having a movement dedicated to reducing the scope of the police plus the carceral and surveillance state hardly seems at odds with the struggle to overthrow the bourgeois state

Behold 666

It fucking took a recovering drug addict and a Critical Theory PhD dropout to finally describe this moment in a compelling way. Fantastic episode.

CS

Could you please unlock this one? Seems a shame to hide this one behind patreon

Conner Canatsey

Loved this episode, Brace's rant was mint.

Will Cronkhite

fluent french speaker here. brace, I will beat the shit out of you for what you have done

Alexander Lawrie

Yaaas!! More theory guys, Liz smashing it! Would love to hear your thoughts on No Shortcuts and Jane's ideas

Stafford H,

Honestly this was way better than I thought it was going to be. I thought it was going to pessimism pessimism pessimism.

Stafford H,

I would 100% support a off shoot series of breaking down Marxist theory. I come from a family of right wingers, my adult life has been spent working in warehouses with right wingers. I’ve only read Marxist ideology alone and would love a dialog (albeit a one sided) about Marxist theory.

QUARANTINE DREAM

The last quote re: Hotel Montana had me tearing up. Love it Brace/Liz/ChomskyHonk <3

Neill Martin

I read the China Mielville piece and I can definitely see why you return to it, I think you will have all of your listeners thinking on it often as well.

MD

Count me in for advocating an unlock - would like to send it both to pessimists and adventurists in my life.

Kane

I feel like you guys dawdled around and downplayed what’s actually happening right now, particularly just throwing away Seattle and Portland. The Seattle police have now for the 5th time used so much tear gas that people have to evacuate their apartments. There have been clashes with the police, wholly instigated by the police, every single night for ten nights in both cities. Two people have been arrested during the day, at home, for social media posts, and for taking videos of brutality. You are letting us down not knowing about this.

Jeff Dunn

You should have really looked into what’s happening in Seattle. Shit is really fucked. Felt like you phoned this in. All three of you.

L

Need more of this brace energy in my life

lock

Brace, homie, you gotta read up on some history of policing shit. This isn't the only thing Lenin got wrong. As a statist he's of course invested in naturalizing the existence of the police as an aspect of society. And he helped to found one of the most brutal police states thats ever existed. The distinction between "policing" institutions (esp in the US) before and after roughly the early nineteenth century isn't to be glossed over. Good episode in other ways.

notadingdong

I do wish y’all would flesh out your thoughts and ideas more before special eps like these. I didn’t get anything out of this episode that I hadn’t heard or thought about before. Which maybe isn’t a huge issue, but I don’t think this conversation really contributed or provoked much.

Steve

Really loved this episode. Helped process a lot of what I was feeling/thinking. Thanks guys.

Kent Morey

This one was too scattered. Choose an issue or 2 related to the movement and concentrate on it. It's what you do best.

will h

cried at the end

Jeffery Harrell

thanks for reading from that mieville piece, gorgeous

Charlie

What was the Badiou piece Brace mentions?

Peter Slattery

What's the piece of music that plays ove Liz's readings at the end? Beautiful stuff.

danica pantic

I’m slowly listening to all of your episodes, and I’m on this one. I’ve just gotten past the intro, but I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving words to something I’ve been trying to puzzle out for months now. It’s been so overwhelming to only really see reactionary commentary of all of the clusterfucks that are ongoing in this country, and listening to this discussion is lifting an entire boulder off my chest.

Franklyn Cain

just now listening to this ep and your summary of the present state of 2020/21 around 42 min is so clarifyingly honest :)