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Trial day 12. The defense rests.

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Paul Brewer

The ‘nag’ in Nag’s Head refers to a horse.

Natalie

houseless knees 😭

Svid

First *edit and now that I'm first I can edit whatever I want here and everyone that comments will have to see it. Hi works boring hope your Friday is cool 😎🤑

Baily McDaniel

I was doing a "treat yo self" bath & trying to think of the most relaxing thing to listen to. Obviously I'm a damaged freak so this is perfect👁️😵‍💫🛀

Sophia Gold

Courthouse Covid cluster?

Sam F

middlefart

yungneilyoung

wait wtf is wrong with the band orchid

coochykatana

someone drop the middlefart cosmetics discount code

snoozie

whats wrong with orchid (band)

Graham Hoese

I know you guys have been waiting for me to weigh in, Brace is correct on the tier system.

malpertuis

I worked at Hermes. The H is silent.

LL

Fucking weird to get married on your birthday

Jeremy Oliver

Orchid fucking slaps 🖕🖕🖕🖕

Dan Greene

Brace addressing the 'silent' p in subpoena but not the glaring o... curious to his intentions

Dan Greene

Yes, the Opeth album

BIG VIBES

liz seinfeld over here

HATERSLAYER420

my ol' BALL N CHAIN's dad gave me an orchid... it died almost immediately. on one hand, i should've taken better care of it, on the other, wtf u think im some kinda orchid science nerd?

Zzz

Čimberley

Liam Cameron

sounds to me like they were resting the whole damn time !

Lesley Anne Noelle

I have noticed certain facts,,such as the fact that most of the women in (side), are serving time because their male partners/lovers/husbands, etcetera…however, in this case, I heard the victims talking about how they felt about bringing other girls to do what they had done. They feel, I repeat, they feeeeel pretty strong negative feelings about themselves about their part in doing that. (~We need Nationalized Healthcare to help them.)It’s NATURAL that they should experience feelings of guilt. It’s normal, it’s ‘to be expected’. Yet Ghislaine’s defense is that she was manipulated, and I think that it’s not (yet) been made clear that Ghislaine ev-ver experienced any (guilt and/or remorse) for having inducted ANY of girls into the ‘Hall of Shame’, which is right where they’re still being put. GM has ‘moved on’ with her life, and this🕳 just hasn’t been presented as an obstacle for her, well to be fair she doesn’t fly a kite, either, it’s been. Wait. She earned her pilots ‘wings’ and her experience with JE optimized her trajectory seamlessly. Why might that be? Because she’s NOT been a victim, but a participant, who was STILL on this demented trajectory of upward mobility. Pt 1

Graham Hoese

Yo was that Young Chompsky's own juicy fart? I need to know so I can put a face to that righteous toot.

Lesley Anne Noelle

Ghislaine said so herself inasmuch as she said not, ‘ewe, that guy from my twenties’—‘he damaged my psyche, the whole bad scene I managed to escape’, but rather, ‘Hey, Epstein and I were (X,Y,Z)—and-a-part-of-what-was-his-is-thusly-mine…!!’ She’s saying, “I-built-that-Pedo-phille on Lock-and-Troll !!’ 🎶 {~that’s what I see.} and we’re ALL being subconsciously, much, much, way, waaaay more polite and careful of her because she’s got this Most-Favored-Not-Male-Notions status. Pt 2

a clash of purple

Man, I disagree with Liz and Brace a lot. For one thing, marriage is bullshit, couples are bullshit, every couple I know sucks and are pedophiles, all relationships should be open and poly. But I also agree with them a lot. Orchids are bullshit, but all flowers and plants in general are also bullshit. I don't know the band Orchid but they suck and are pedophiles. Also, I know Liz keeps giving asides to the ladies in the audience, but none of the women I know have any idea what she's talking about. Be less obscure.

Lesley Anne Noelle

Yet, in (my) lizard lined guts, I know that her brains to her boots were self taught and trained ‘down pat’, exac-attack-aly, practice-makes-perfect, for enabling her to pull up to school yards, and, like the Washington Post, in the bright light of day, walk right up to naive children, or, to use Epstein’s word, ‘Tweens’ and ply her trade craft, which is exactly what her pat sets of absurd lies were. She IS one of the dangerous characters that Twain might’ve been discovered, then (splat) tarred, and like luminal, feathered, and run energetically ‘out of town’, and—-in the great ‘WesternWorld/American’ tradition, made some other (more) unfortunate people’s problem. (where did Gary Glitter land up? Southeast Asia, where the Empire implanted it. I ask YOU, you of TrueAnon,👉🏾would there have been as successful Jeffrey Epstein as the man who dialed Dershowitz, had it NOT been for Ghislaine Maxwell…?! It’s more despicable, in my view, that she got up close and personal, dipping right into the hopes and sorrows, the braces and fractures, of these with these girls, to access their vulnerabilities as well as their other vulnerabilities being their aptitudes, than they had probably otherwise experienced/endured by an adult in their short lifetimes. Ghislaine/Miss Maxwell wasn’t-the-getaway-driver, she-engineered-the-heist. She was, after all, a woman.

a clash of purple

By all accounts, she did all the actual work of feeding victims to Epstein and running the logistics of his operation. Les Wexner provided the money, Maxwell managed everything... It sounds like Epstein didn't do anything himself. They could have slotted basically any straight man into his spot. Frankly Maxwell is more culpable in Epstein's crimes than Epstein himself--she's one of the rich benefactors who made him. Without Maxwell and all his other backers, Epstein would have been just another creepy dude in a world full of creepy dudes.

m w b

which Orchid are we talkin about here? there are two bands with that name, one's an east coast hardcore band from the late '90s (they're real good) and one's a currently-active stoner metal band from California (they're not good)

Will Hinchman

Yo, which episode is the one about the dubin’s? I don’t remember it?

Lesley Anne Noelle

did they ever try to talk about what happened during the trial?

BruceInAdelaide

Maxwell does seem to be many times more socially capable. Epstein comes across as a mathematically gifted nerd, and not nearly as socially adept. Both are or were, paedos of course

Shiv

Brace is tier and orchid (gift) correct. Liz is subpoena correct (whisper of b). YC is sound effect correct (fart)

TheRhinehart86

Yeah, I'm commenting here too in the hopes someone says it. It doesn't come in the search or tags

Alex Gurney

Where is the Dubin episode link?

Oliver Wilson

Middelfart - 'fart' means 'speed' in danish/norwegian. Middelfart is a very common in the Scandinavia. Middelfart is a nice city in Denmark with a lovely ceramic museum too. 🥰

Sparrow

Is she throwing the fight because the alternative is to get Epsteined?

Amanda Grabowski

Glad we’re addressing Brace’s pronunciation of “subpoena” in this one.

Kamran Husain

If i’m correct this “fart” come from the french word for “wax” which is used for ski preparation which is the most popular sport in this area of the world

Colleen Sapienza

As a lady, Liz keep doing what you’re doing

Char Kelly

Liz calling out the subpoena 🙏🏻🙏🏻finally🙏🏻🙏🏻

ClownBabee24

Ive always thought this trial was gonna be rigged, but in the sense that there are several people and entities that would just love to cut Ghislaine off from them and end this whole Epstein saga. So this ending makes perfect sense.

JV

the fact they could basically get no witnesses in favour of ghislaine despite her being a society darling for decades makes The Spectators constant op eds about how amazing she was here in the UK even more deranged. horrible island

Kompromatic

This take is making more and more sense to me. Not worth the effort or bad publicity to come to Ghislaine’s defense. But what would stop her from spilling some of the beans when she realizes she’s been hung out to dry? Surely they can’t just off her like Epstein…or maybe they can.

BryceSprungstein

I wonder if the mysteriously re-appeared hard drives were her 'dead man's switch' and now that its in the hands of FBI and the state, they can just cut her off safely.

BryceSprungstein

Or they're just waiting for DonnyDeals to get re-elected and then pardon her

Kompromatic

I want to say “surely she and Epstein had some other hard drives or damning evidence stashed away” but the world is stupid enough for me to believe they thought hiding them in a bathroom safe would be enough.

sir peepus

middlefarding and shidding

Jenny K

SUB-POE-EENA

Bent Mind

I didn’t believe in cancel culture until Liz just dissed orchids.

Jenny K

Conspiracy theory here: The defense is not trying because they made a secret deal with the prosecution.

Alejandro Pepsi

A devastating blow to team Liz tier list.

Eye Twenty-Six

So nice to hear about Brace meeting up with Stav for his afternoon snack

gen~

these names im screamingggggt

Alexander Cabot

Maybe this is all a show trial and behind the scenes Ghislaine is giving up names or something, but for the sake of appeasing the public, and the victims, there still needs to be a trial so to speak. Which is why maybe the prosecution has been narrowing its case too. Or what if Ghislaine really is Mossad and has some sort of diplomatic immunity?

Don Workman

Don’t normalize this horrible flatulocentrism

Alejandro Pepsi

What are the odds Ghislaine will testify at this point in the case?

SF

Really hope this is just someone doing a bit…

bray

anyone have the episode number for the dubin episode? didn’t see it linked

Vincent

Was waiting for YC to drop the I Am Nietzche intro

a clash of purple

How could you think I'm being ironic when I accuse all straight monoamorous (or whatever they're called) couples of being pedophiles? It's a very serious accusation, not something to be made lightly.

a clash of purple

There's no evidence that Epstein knew anything about math, or really that he knew anything at all. It's probably one reason they found him to be a good tool.

Shiv

thoughts and prayers to our christmas girl if so

BruceInAdelaide

That would only emphasise Maxwell's networking skills further, as being central to the spread and grip of this vile scheme.

opal

orchid is skramz, of course mr punk rock doesn’t like them

opal

also im kinda mad liz cut off what sounded like a promising gourmand bit about tarts from brace

otis

Liz can have 1.5 of my lungs.

Miaow12

yeah i was looking for it

Alec

love you liz, but brace is correct about the tier system

carl

when does the gourmand take the stand

Daniel Capshaw

In Star Trek TNG the next in command after Captain Picard was Riker, aka ***number one***. Brace is correct about the tier system.

Camille

Liz Freedom

MrSydney

Maxwell goes down, the baying masses get their punishment and resolution, and the whole affair is memoryholed, the world moves on. She’s a perfect sacrificial lamb.

uleg0

Brace hate skramz

Ernest Ambrus

Also Maxwell is *not* a Jew. That was never mentioned.

justdave

I hate everyone who 'simped' for her breasts ( I also hate that I know the word 'simped')

NigelBOpinion

Get well soon Liz. Also guys I think in the UK for a real estate deal you use a solicitor, not a barrister. Another good episode, thanks!

Jacob

'I am Nietzche' Defense by the Maxwell crew.

daniel 69er

Orchid rocks. Brace jocks.

Nic Bodiford

No one hits the “b” in subpoena harder than Brace does.

Shiv

honestly this outcome makes the most sense to me as all her tiered up pals have left her hanging in the wine…

Shiv

*wind! maybe prison wine

SouthernHooch

i WANT to buy MiddleFART cosmetics. i do. like NOW.

Carla Amalie Fledelius

As soon as I heard the name Middelfart, I knew she was Scandinavian. Another L for us

Allison

actually, there is a scientific reason your knee hurts when it's going to rain! Here is an orthopedic docs explanation: "When there's a rainstorm, atmospheric pressure drops. As soon as your body detects this change, it makes your soft tissues swell up. As a result, fluid in the joints expands. Unfortunately, the expansion and contraction that takes place around the joints can irritate your nerves and cause pain."

texas_tankie

Omg the subpoena bit made me spit up my water lmao