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We examine the recent murder of Cash App founder Bob Lee, the reactions from industry leaders and local políticos, and how it all eerily maps onto the rise and fall of San Francisco’s swinging tech scene.

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Joe K.

hopefully this will get you guys a FX on hulu true crime limited series after the strike

Alexander Cobb

The only thing hotter than that intro would've been Chomsky doing it with brace gonging the whole time

K H

Amazing intro. I was worming and dabbing and slow motion head wagging. The E! channel spontaneously started playing on my microwave. Jenna McCarthy(McCartney?) was temporarily cured of autism and gocking at my bathroom tile. Perhaps it's a symptom of long COVID. The allergy meds too strong out here. I'm putting out vibes for a gong heavy episode in advance to clear my shit up.

honky

Epic gamer moment

Scout

im so happy about these slightly longer eps also glad ur better liz!

Svid

Would it be distasteful to make a mad tv joke?

K H

People are soooo scared of homeless people. Homeless people are not going to hurt you. They are always sick, or malnourished, or fucked up in some way that makes them bad at fighting. Worst case they get you a lil gross, WORST case. Most likely they'll just freak you out a bit if they bother you at all. You have to be kind of docile to be homeless and be humiliated everyday. All the dangerous people live indoors, sometimes in prison. Most people will become dangerous well before they reach homelessness. Like they get a 24 hour ban from reddit and do a mass shooting.

NYCM&AHole

Idk San Francisco has some crazy homeless people.

NYCM&AHole

Also you guys permanently in nyc? That’s cool

Michael S. Judge

This is for Bob Lee! What's going on there is so crazy! Shout-out to his family!

Quinn

Glad Liz’s tummy is feeling better and that we’re gonging long ep today.

NYCM&AHole

And I lived there 2007-2013 so I have some idea what I’m talking about

Brian Long

Only bisexuals get long covid!!!!

NYCM&AHole

Lol I thought thievery corporation was an actual corporation.

K H

How many times were you injured by homeless person? I have literally only seen one guy almost punched by a homeless(maybe??) guy for stepping on his shoes or something. Skinny as hell, if you hit him back he'd probably disintegrate. I've been using public transit for a few years and that was the one time I saw any kind of actual violence from such a person. Meanwhile I have seen multiple bar fights despite barely ever going to bars or clubs.

BeanCurd

Bob Lee sounds like Boboli

NYCM&AHole

Actually they didn’t sell all of millennium tower in 2009 because they started renting out apartments (I know someone who rented one)

NYCM&AHole

Never, but they’re aggressive as hell in San Francisco as opposed to NYC. So many tweaked out people that I didn’t trust to not hurt me or others

K H

Like I said, worst case they make you kinda gross, most will just freak you out a bit if they bother at all. Many of them could not physically hurt you even if they wanted to. I go to San Francisco a lot and my biggest problem is the lack of public toilets for the number of people living outside. They had some over engineered fancy one which of course was broken and locked or something, couldn't use it. There should be a federal law that for a certain population density a place must have a certain number of free public toilets kept to a certain standard.

Nick B.

Joel engardio is one of those serial candidates that always lost at least while he was in my district, district 7. I’m not sure if he carpetbagged over to district 4 or the line moved to him, but he’s now their problem and boy is he a loser and a dweeb

NYCM&AHole

I was trapped in a bus with him and he was screaming at everyone - was trying to avoid eye contact actually.

NYCM&AHole

So you’re saying only the women in the lifestyle parties got it?

Chris

I'm dancing rn

K H

Yea, you got freaked out. It's a risk in any human interaction. Think back on it and laugh. I remember one guy, I had to look back because the stuff he was saying reminded me of Kanye, I think he was actually just weird. Would be nice if there was emergency mental health responders as opposed to police or vigilantes murdering people, but iiwiis. Discomfort is not danger and comfort is not security.

Lewis

PS 307 is pretty close to the trueanon studio but Brace already knows that

Pug_luvr

"Gonging long"? I'm hoping this means there's an extended gong solo from Brace.

sandragl

Thanks for making this ep. The Chesa stuff is always so insane to relive. Chesa went to the Marxist camp also I went to / work at. When he won the DA position, we celebrated (I have a beautiful video of all the kids cheering). The recall broke our hearts to watch. Also, thanks for talking about Jordan Neely.

Walker Reeves

Would totally listen to a solo, Madame Psychosis-style podcast by Liz. Great intro.

brodie

This soft strike thing is the same shit going on in Philly. People blame krasner for all this shit but literally a week or two ago local news did a story about how Philly cops have been scanning and logged license plates for like 4 years now looking for stolen cars and have recovered 0 vehicles. It's fucking insane they will just straight up tell you that they aren't gonna do anything either. My friend got his truck stolen a few years ago and when the cop eventually came by like 3 hours later he was like yeah, there is nothing we can really do about this sorry and left.

Fresh Dill

Joe eszterhas should write the screenplay for the movie about this case.

Doug Cartel

Will Yung Chomsky have to change his name to Chomskyhonk now

Alaina Nuvola

I bought a couch from Macys and it sucks. I'm getting a new one.

Sneakaboard

Rip seattle and good riddance, oly remains supreme

ploob

Black Widows' gauntlets..? Life Card

George P

Ron Hamburger was the lead investigator into the Twin Towers collapse, fully compromised

john mccainus

we await silent tristero's empire

Claire Simon

oly might have some of the most cursed vibes of any place in WA state

KingCult

Brace, any comments on the rumors that you are using a “blood boy” to reverse age yourself into a baby so you can wear a diaper in a socially acceptable fashion? The public awaits your response. Thank you.

Oliver Crane

Sounds like The Lifestyle determined his deathstyle

Sneakin Sally

Clift on geary was started by ian schraeger is like the archetype hip hotel. It closed and reopened under royal sonesta and lost a touch of its cocaine vibe but it and the redwood room very much fit the vibe of which you speak.

John Swan

Many of the adherents of Zoroastrianism in India are called “Parsis”. Freddie Mercury was Parsi.

Charlotte Ring

as someone who just listened to the Kill James Bond Austin powers episode and used to be a fan of thievery corporation this episode hit me like a truck 😅

Juan Barredo

I’m a Japanese kitchen knife guy 🫣

Gibbs fka Leroy

To Liz's point on the imagination of 3d printed gun people--- most of them are obsessed with making cyberpunk guns, and grateful dead skull-bodied p90s right now. Everything being shared in the AWCY nylon printing element group looks like dlc from saints row 4.

Evan Scott

my car got stolen in philly and i was able to recover it (police of course were like "that's cool were not going to investigate this further" even though there was a bunch of other stolen stuff like a catalytic converter in the car) and then it was stolen again and taken to a scrap yard in jersey by a tow truck driver. I got video of the theft and knew exactly where it was taken to because I had put tracking devices in the car and the police from both departments shrugged their shoulders. when i had to report the theft to insurance they like almost refused to believe that the police didn't do anything lol. guess they didn't deal with a lot of claims in cities

Evan Scott

it's even worse now with the fucking kia/hyundai hack

Zzz

Have I learned much from this episode (or most episodes for that matter)? No. Is it entertaining regardless? Yes.

Unpopular Front

Liz is right about a lot of Zoroastrians going to India. They are known as Parsis. Freddie Mercury and a kid I used to nanny are Parsi

brodie

Yeah and it's like this with everything. If you aren't like a store or a guy they can shoot your lucky if they even show up at all. The insurance thing doesn't surprise me at all people will not believe me when I try to explain this kind of shit. Until someone personally has to interact with the police they just don't understand it.

Oliver Crane

I do think you guys should go to Burning Man and do a live podcast while Yung Chomsky does a sick psy-trance set

CC

Someone get YC a mic, this is getting ridiculous

Noah

Damn they talked about Slims as if it still exists and is not a nightclub called Yolo nightclub lol

Kathatestheweb

The Pheonix in the TL is the best hotel in SF. I refuse to consider any other opinions on this matter.

Dohn Jenver

All star donuts at van Ness and market is definitely still open btw

Jaime Christley

Love the opening. Off the Dome Talker Liz where have you been keeping Writer Liz? You have the knack.

Jacob Delventhal

The zoroastrian to Indian pipeline is a real thing

AfroCommie

Golden intro first of all

Michael Ouderkirk

Huh, well I'll be damned. There really hasn't been a TrueAnon Burning Man episode.

Galen

RIP to Bob Lee, legendary comedian and powerful short king. This brutal killing SHOWS that we MUST give emergency powers to Mayor Bredd, DA Jenky, and all noble SFPD officers, to SHOOT on sight all subversive elements and SLEEPER CELL agents of the Boudinite terror regime. Until our DAs can FINALLY prosecute crimes again and people stop being MEAN to cops, only then will we be SAFE 24/7 instead of IN DANGER 24/7. We ALL know our CITY didn’t smell like PEE (eww yuckieee) before AAPI-hating Chesa BOOudin got “elected.” I moved here in 2009 so I could DOORDASH all my food to my door instead of visiting restaurants but CHESA forced me to give tips to LAZY drivers!! I only make $258,000 year doing emails which is basically at the POVERTY line. If you really are TRUE Anon, PLEASE help me make the the petition to send all homeless to San Jose.

Cliff

If you guys want to look more into tech adjacent weird sex stuff from the 2010s I would suggest taking a look at the "onetaste" sex cult.

Bartlebee

I read every comment and not a single one mentioned long covid (this one excluded)

clonko

Brace “Do it fart” Belden

Eoghan Flanagan

Ah San Francisco. The only city narcissistic enough to think that the rest of the world gives a shit about its local news.

Gnawrag

Yep, caught that too. my understanding is that the name Parsi comes from the fact that they emigrated from Persia.

Gnawrag

In 2014 my friend and I were trying to buy coke from a dutch guy in Guatemala. We went back to his apartment where there was an old man who looked like he was dying in the dutch guys bed. so we went and hung out on the roof, The dutch guy put on psy trance super loud and the girls we were with asked him if it was possible to change the music because it was really abrasive, he got super offended and went on a rant about a purported scientific study where they played psy trance to cows and chickens and it caused them to produce more eggs and milk. right after this rant the dutch guy ended up in a screaming match with someone in an adjacent apartment building, who also wanted him to turn off the "music". Now anytime psy trance comes up I think of those poor cows and chickens.

Gnawrag

This ep hit close to home for me, I saw Thievery Corporation play at burning man in like 2009. I've been to a solid handful of Bay Area sex parties that were definitely attended by people in the same techie/burner milieu. And another tech guy (Tushar Atre) was murdered in my neighborhood.

will michel

the assassination of bob lee by the coder nima momeni

fauxrothko

liz is such a delight lmaooo 💗

The Dee's Knees

Always love your SF hometown episodes! also 'technically attempted murder', this is the kind of analysis you just don't get anywhere else

archipelago_go

every time i hear someone say “the Bay Area” i reflexively scream, “WHICH BAY MOTHERFUCKER?! THERE’S MORE THAN ONE!”

sir peepus

Big Khazar Milkers 👀

zippy

This post, and this ep, made me realize I'm not a Marxist.

K H

You're probably just gay.

AbeLinkin

Definitely not true. Ever heard of New York?

AbeLinkin

Nothing is more true than this.

K H

On my customary 2nd play, prestige run. Liz of course is the alpha, this is a matriarchy. On the intro however, does she say take out your "halberds"? Is that the new weapon of the techie?

Mike Malloy

Tough spot for the uber driver but dog you gotta take the stabbed guy to the hospital c'mon

Josh F.

Did I miss the part where you guys talked about the fact that everyone knew him as "Crazy Bob". When I saw the coverage the morning he died I was like "o yea crazy Bob was definitely up to something and not getting randomly attacked"

Ben Koerber

as a 100 percent cis gay man i must say the main reason i listen to this podcast is liz's beautiful and soothing voice

Gnawrag

"slip off your allbirds" they're an ugly sneaker brand heavily marketed on social media.

K H

San Jose is FULL

ploob

#ReversePlank

Ian :3

i like when she sings karma in episode 279

Ian :3

i was listening to lebanese blonde earlier today, i was floored

Natalie

ikr like how can you live with yourself

Natalie

lol i just was thinking about that at work it was so funny

sarah

The best part of listening to the SF based episodes as a person who has never been to SF is being confused the entire time

Alias Dan Davis

This is the kind of California true crime sleaze that keeps me as a subscriber.

TrueAnonPod

Sorry I accidentally deleted the ladies comment about cheddar broccoli rice a Roni I meant to reply that is gross I hate cheese and broccoli combo!

Natalie

LMAO it's ok 😔 something like broccoli with just melted cheese on it would be gross but i work in a hotel kitchen and we made a broccoli parmesan soup last week and man......if anything would convert you it could be that (unless you hate broccoli/parm/soup)

The Friends of Eddie Coyle

Liz is right. Approximately 95% of the worlds Zoroastrians live in Bombay. There are around 120k of them that live almost exclusively in my neighbourhood. They're generally quite well off and are almost always Hapsburg levels of inbred.

The Friends of Eddie Coyle

More or less, Pars is / was a ancient centre of Persia. I think its where the Achaemenid Shahs were buried. I think it is the site of Cyrus the Great's tomb.

Reece Coren

go off brace 🗣️🗣️🗣️

Finn Langley

We need a burning man episode, preferably on the ground reporting :)

Miles

Ronald O. Hamburger was also an author of the engineering portion of the 9/11 Commission Report

evan

i’ve ended my friendship long covid. vaxx injured is my new bff.

Kevin Lindsay

Hold on why did I go to high school with the drug dealer and partake in a backyard boxing event at his house where I got my ass beat because I can't fight.

mbug96

Can you guys do an episode on passive income side hustles? Like drop shipping, affiliate marketing, etc. lol

Shiv

Perfect ep for an SF night club side quest—I have a “I saw jello biafra do (something wild)” story too, but at a regular bar w cabaret license. Oh and the thing he did was almost kick my friends ass

Shiv

omg that suitcase murder 😖

J.P. McD.

The building plan also very recently got abandoned or something so it will still be there for a good while longer. Maybe I’ll go tomorrow in honor of this episode.

J.P. McD.

I had relatives calling me worried after the national media blew up this murder, the rest of the country cares way too much about SF if anything and they should shut up about it

Graham Isom

Fuck Joel Engardio, all my homies hate Joel Engardio

Graham Isom

Legitimately though, he is terrible, I also know the girl who sung for his inauguration

V1NC3NT

Re: Donkey of the Day! You have to watch the film Eo. 💯

cogandbal

Yeah I need some tips man 🙏

gav

We need brace on guys to discuss swinging