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Episode 30 - Too Edgy For Some (Patreon)

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2024-06-04 21:43:10
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0:00 C.S Lewis/Dark Humour
13:15 Eminem's new music/Richard Pryor/Old boring people and new boring people
30:21 Everyone shares the same reference but it is never enough/No overlap between the polarities of reference
40:58 The Sopranos (again)/the great American novel
54:57 Box Office failures/Mad Max/The failing Video Game Model/The new models are not sustainable/Passion trumps all
1:26:25 The Cara App

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J George

I am not proud to say that I laughed at that first joke. If we have to share the same circle in hell, I'm beating yo ass, Lewis.

J George

The problem I have with the "woke gone mad" tirade agains humor is that is pure projection: every single one of this ultra-lib types that hate people like Eminem say that free speech should be limited to combat the rise of white nationalism or whatever, but they want to limit free speech so much that it becomes its own form of modern fascism: safetyism. In other words, they're Nietzche's Last Men.

J George

We're in the same damn boat about the "talking about art with people in public", especially in my school, even though everyone brands themselves as "artsy"; I hate the idea that, if I show too much interest in something that my peers don't instantly recognize, they'll brand me as an elitist who's taste is "out of touch" or something even worse. It's "Beyoncé or bust", to quote an episode of Insecure.

J George

For me, the most harrowing character arch in Sopranos is Adriana's: at the beginning, she's this drop-dead gorgeous girl, full of life (Drea de Matteo wasn't even supposed to have a character initially, she was just that girl at that fancy restaurant's reception!) and, season by season, being by Christopher's side, she gets here beauty, both visual and spiriutal, getting ripped of her. I won't spoil the end, but just thinking about it gets me fucked up.

Esteban Rodriguez

Lately I have been thinking about doing my own essay style videos on my YouTube because of me being inspired by your Cinema Cartography work. I don’t think of making them frequent but when I do it will be for specific topics that I really want to speak about and to explore an idea I want to express. One of which is this is idea of the meta. I have started writing a draft of some form of an essay titled "The Futility of Metatextuality". This idea started when I was pondering in why I believe Diego Velázquez’s ‘Las Menias’ is one of the most groundbreaking works of art ever conceived. Something that was made in the age of the Early Baroque period speaks of an idea that is really timeless but also can be seen as "meta". It’s a piece of art that speaks about the direct process and impact of art. Velázquez simply just put himself and a snippet of his process and then goes further with how the King and Queen are framed like spectators. Velázquez references and comments on himself and of the creative process. But yet, what I love the most about the execution is that it doesn’t feel self indulgent. There is a bit of a cheekiness to it like how Velázquez himself is painted looking at us but more than anything it’s cut and dry about what it is and never shows off some sort of spectacle with its composition and aesthetics, it’s simply what it is. And it’s beautiful. It is obviously not the first art piece commenting on itself, paintings have shown artists themselves before but Las Menias combines the aspects of the art, the artist, and the spectator all into one in a way that Velázquez saw in his personal life and it’s interesting that very few pieces afterwards have actually done this. Same thing when I read The Divine Comedy for the first time this year. I was always, since I was in high school, fascinated in that story’s premise in how Dante without any allegory or metaphor put himself quite bluntly in his own story but when I finally got to read the entire thing, I was gobsmacked of how resonating and truly ahead of its time in how it was a story that referenced a lot of the culture of his time. From Greek mythology to other Roman poets, it can be seen as a very political and personal work but the book’s mixture of fantastical and religious elements makes for a profound tale of morality. It could’ve easily been a story on Dante and Dante alone, but he never shows a complete egotistical perspective. This is why I cannot take any work that tries to be extremely self aware seriously in them thinking that being "meta" is this new and unique thing. There are other examples I can think of like Mahler’s music or the finale of The Holy Mountain but as I come up with these examples I also really want to explore my conclusion and really think: Is there is a reason to keep on doing this method? When we have something like Ryan Reynolds Deadpool style of "comedy" that acts like it’s something very proactive and impactful, I look at that shit as pathetic. All it is for me is just them bragging that we can do these things without understanding why we should do it at all. There is a beauty in acknowledging art in art itself. To either show their passion or humbleness that they are not a God, they are not a "genius". They are a normal human being. That’s what Dante shows, that’s what Velazquez shows, that’s what Mahler shows, that’s what Jodorowsky shows, that’s not what anyone that tries to be "super meta" today from what I’ve seen shows right now.

J George

As hyped as I am for GTA 6, there is no reason in hell for it to take 12 years to make, 1-3 billion dollar budget and to null the possibilities for Rockstar to make things like a new Bully, a new Midnight Club or that Agent game they've wanted to make since '07 (I think?); and what's even worse, it's extremely likely that that'll be the last game R* will ever make, shifting their priorities to make the new GTA into an eternal live-service type of thing. To quote another HBO show, "the game is rigged, man".

Esteban Rodriguez
>>139952013

Time and time again, my brother because of my overall tastes in art calls me a "Boomer in a Gen Z body". Obviously it’s a joke most of the time and admittedly I can get easily provoked by him many times. As much as I don’t like how exploring and understanding things from the past gets some kid going "ok boomer", I can admit that I also don’t want to stay in a 100% conservative mindset. Even my mom sometimes asks "why I am so against the mainstream?". I’m going to stick with what I love with is mostly "classical" but no matter where it comes from new or old if I like it and think it’s good I’ll admit it. I’m 21 and people always say for many years now that I’m "very mature for my age". I was really not. I’m still not some wise sage and I want to be a joyful guy a lot of time.

J George

Someone please tell me there's an equivalent to Cara for music; I hope SoundCloud isn't stealing my tracks and feeding them to Suno or whatever tf.

Benjamin Ross Johnson
>>139948432

These two old-time Southern black guys are talking about what they think the world's greatest invention is, one of them says he thinks it's the thermos. "It's amazin'," he says, "it keep hot stuff hot, and col' stuff col!" His friend doesn't get it. "What's amazin' 'bout that?" He asks. "Well, how do it know?!"

tay.tmw

About theatres, you're absolutely right that people have lost trust. With a streaming service people don't have to commit to a film in the same way. The industry is now expected to disappoint. I don't go to a theatre for a new film unless it's something like Flower Moon or The Boy and the Heron. One thing I've seen become super prevalent is screenings of older films. For people my age this is especially cool for the novelty of watching a classic film in a theatre. Stuff we would have only seen on a VHS/DVD or on TV. For my local independent theatre this has become their only form of business. Every Tuesday they'll screen something like The Godfather, Rocky Horror, Monty Python etc. Which I love, don't get me wrong. And at the larger chain theatre by me they're screening Ghibli films all throughout the year and I'll go to every one. I know this isn't a new thing but it's crazy that re-screenings of classics seems to be the primary ticket sales for people who care about cinema because the newer stuff just hasn't been cutting it for years now. That's anecdotal but surely I'm not alone.

Kinotherapy Movies

Jerry Seinfeld recently commented (again) about how wokeness is killing comedy or whatever. Then made a fucking pop tart movie that was incredibly stupid and corporate safe. (Making George Carlin and Lenny Bruce proud I'm sure) In reality, people aren't offended by Jerry Seinfeld, they just don't think he's funny anymore. So many comedians nowadays complain about cancel culture. Numerous shows I've seen in the past 10 years, including live shows, or TV specials or anything, features the comedian talking about cancel culture for the full hour set and it's BORING. Coming at this from a perspective not for or against cancel culture, I'm just so sick of that being the only thing they talk about anymore. If you want to do something, than just do it. Wasting your time talking about wokeness is just as obnoxious and shows that you kind of have been defeated. If you don't care what others think, then show us, don't tell us. Jon Stewart recently in a stand up show even called out these comedians claiming that as someone who deals primarily with tense, political comedy, cancel culture really hasn't effected him much. Me and my friends are pretty left-minded people. We love dark humor and have an edgy sense of humor. I'm not saying these easily triggered leftists don't exist, but from my own perspective, it's greatly exaggerated. It's especially embarrassing when the people who are all about free speech and not being offended freak out, when they see a gay person in a movie.

Aurelio

This was engaging to listen to. I’m the reverse where I come to you guys to further enrich myself in the arts so that I can have conversations with others and spread the word of meaningful works. I too want to anti-gate keep to give audiences/film goers alike better and meaningful movie watching experiences. For more fulfilling lives through art that is sound and means a lot. Truly a blessing to come across you guys through YouTube. I hope you guys great growth on further projects and wish y’all the best!