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19. 2024 A.C. (Patreon)

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2024-02-14 01:03:38
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0:00 Gushing over The Simpsons/South Park
34:40 Cartoons as children/Technology of the 2000s
1:06:20 Films of the 2000s/John Cusack/Al Pacino and Robert De Niro/How celebrity alters the perspective of an artist
01:31:08 The dying art of modern acting/The 'artificial look'
01:43:40 B.C (Before Covid)/How people have changed
2:00:03 The Kanye Discussion (Post Vultures)
02:13:10 The Luciferian Complex

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Esteban Rodriguez

I mentioned this a couple times before, but Battle for Dream Island is absolutely the one piece of media I have the most nostalgia for. Let alone for any cartoon I had watched when I was a kid. In general, I wasn’t really able to watch much back then so whatever I did would have a select few that still mean something to me today. With cartoons, I was very much mostly watching the classics. Tom & Jerry, Looney Tunes, and the Disney Silly Symphonies. Other than that, ironically, I do remember some of the shows I watched on Nick Jr but never watched any main Nickelodeon stuff. I never watch SpongeBob until I was in 5th grade. So yes, I did watched Blues Clues sometimes. But when it came to Battle for Dream Island, in retrospect, it was like the perfect time for me to discover something like that on the internet. It was still a moderately new thing for me and I didn’t really watch much on YouTube. But I guess out of nowhere the algorithm decided to recommend me the very first episode. And to say I was obsessed would be an understatement. I look back now of when I tried to do fan art of the show, watching it over and over again on my old Internet Explorer Computer, and recording stupid reaction videos on my iPod. Apart from being something I felt had a watchable sense of humor and its inanimate object designs, what I remember most was how it was the first time I fully was aware that individuals worked on something. It wasn’t some entertainment in a vacuum but rather something made by passionate people. Let alone the fact that the Huang Twins were only around 12 years old when they started to made episodes monthly. (They still are going strong to this day) and now as an adult, I know I can watch it and not cringe or feel embarrassed simply because of seeing myself still enjoy much of it today and can appreciate that even years later, it’s clear that their craft has improved especially since they still mostly are independent (only with a bigger animation crew) and have only been more ambitious with time. Which has still made me admire the Jacknjellify channel over 11 years since I first saw it. I don’t know why I remember this, but the director of "THE Cell" is named Tarsem Singh or publicly he calls himself Tarsem sometimes. In terms of his filmography, I actually really love "The Fall" (2006) and think it’s a great film. It’s such an inspired film in terms of its fantasy elements brought to life with amazing costume and set design but what really makes it resonating is the main dynamic between a injured stunt man and a little girl who is told this fairy tale by the man. I found it really emotionally powerful in how it ties in themes of how the stories that are told reflect the grief and repression that are trying to be ignored and overall I think it has a strong vision. Does Tarsem blatantly rip off Sergei Parajanov at points? Definitely. Do I still find much of the imagery inspired? Definitely… but yea, then after that he has nothing remarkable that I am not particularly interested in. I did see The Cell also from him and thought it was decent. In terms of great De Niro and Pacino performances post 1980s, "The Irishman" is still a film whose performances are still left in my mind especially in the second half. They definitely start off as these brassy, classic in brand characters, but later on when both characters relationships are challenged, their performances are some of the most subdued and powerful acting they have ever given for me. And it has been a while since I have seen the film and there are still scenes in my memory that are all because of their faces and expressions. Then again it’s Scorsese. I got to say though that whatever visuals are hidden because we only hear the audio makes this podcast so artistic man. It’s like… we can make our own interpretations of what’s going on behind these mysterious voices…

James Herbert

The Smashing Pumpkins are an incredible band and Siamese Dream is absolutely one of the best rock albums ever made, one which I feel doesn't quite get as much love now as it should do, considering how flawless, timeless and defining it continues to be. It is absolutely just as good as those 2 Nirvana albums from the 90s, although people don't seem to talk about it nearly as much. However, I would also love to know your thoughts and anyone else's, on the Pumpkin's album Adore, because I find it to be just as brilliant, although it is very different. I feel that the songwriting and lyricism is exceptionally poetic and the production deeply multifaceted and genius in particular. I also hope that one day Billy Corgan sticks to his word and finally releases the complete, remastered Machina album, as that is the last interesting thing the band and Corgan ever, almost, made. I also agree that Pinkerton rocks, the songs are so cleverly infectious and honest and I love the raw and abrasive production equally too, although I can't get into the 'Blue' album much I'm afraid. On modern screen acting feeling contrived and artificial, for me, Paul Mescal and Frankie Corio, who play father and daughter in Aftersun, is undoubtedly the most natural and seamless acting I've seen in a recent film. What makes it all the more impressive is how you never fail to believe Mescal as a dad despite how young he is, and how unexpectedly and flawlessly tension and disquiet emerges between the two. I genuinely urge anyone who hasn't seen Aftersun to watch it asap, because it really is an extremely clever and effective drama with some masterful acting.

J George

Cartoon Network also molded my aesthetic tastes in a big, big way without even me noticing it; I agree with both of you that there's gotta be some type pipeline between late 90's-early 00's CN viewers and people between the ages of 25-30 right now who are into stuff like Lars von Trier movies or the music of Sonic Youth (also the creations of Gen X weirdos!)

J George
>>129658622

And sticking to the CN thing, they used this thing called Cartoon Cartoon Shorts where they'd show pilots of future shows they were prospecting at the time; they held elections on their website to decide what to pick. One show that unfortunately didn't get pick was called A Kitty Bobo Show and it had the coolest looking animation style I've ever seen; I'm not surw if it was ever aired on brazilian CN, but anytime I watch the pilot for that show, I get the feeling that I've watched it somehow. It fills me with nostalgia, frustration and confusion all at the same time.

James Herbert
>>129642798

I totally agree Esteban, before the video deep dive, for some reason I always imagined that Lewis and Luiza did the podcast sat on a comfy rug or pillows with a coffee table between them to put the microphones on. It was a lovely image to picture but I must also say that I enjoyed looking at their bookcases during the deep dive on Blue Velvet too!

J George

When y'all guys mentioned Sony Vaio, I turned into Agent Cooper at the end of Twin Peaks: The Return: "what year is this?"; and those things had to be a psyop, something Sony did for the film or TV industry as props or a mixture of both. They were not real.

cinemacartography

I also found the show I was trying to refer to (on Nickelodeon). It's called KABLAM!, and the stop motion animation they aired was "Action League Now!" - Luiza

Charlie Charlie

To your point, so much of the creative animation explosion, particularly in America, is thanks to these boundary pushing GenX creators. I’m born in 82’ so I have a glimmer of a grasp of a world pre-Simpsons. Even some of the shall we say obscure at the time, experimental stuff MTV showed on Liquid Television, Aeon Flux etc, all really captivated me as a kid.

Sophia Lambton
>>129651985

Thanks so much for the recommendation, James. I am so out of it that I hadn't heard of this film. Sorry I can't comment on the music - I haven't heard of any of these bands (except Nirvana). I will make sure to watch Aftersun. :)

Sophia Lambton

I can't believe you guys mentioned Art Attack. My afternoons as a five-year-old! This was a sweet nostalgic trip! Julie Kavner, voice of Marge, started out as a live action actress and is fabulous (truly hilarious) in the seventies sitcom Rhoda. She was apparently too shy and private to continue this route and diverted her career to animation. She is beautiful and adorable in real life. I have very faint memories of Cartoon Network but for some reason I found Hey Arnold! depressing. I got reacquainted with Kenan & Kel a few years back and couldn't believe how funny it was. I forgot Recess had even existed! By any chance, is there anyone in this forum who was crazy about Sister Sister? That was my first love. I took videotapes of it with me when I went on holiday. This was a sad podcast because there's no way the current horde of 11-year-olds will be sharing tv shows or trends the same way 20 years from now. I haven't seen much of John Cusack but I have to say that he was good in his youth! In Say anything..., Sixteen Candles and The Sure Thing. And I must say that as a 20-something he was a pretty good-looking guy, so what are you guys going on about?! Pacino wasn't bad in the HBO tv movie about Jack Kervorkian, and he put in tremendous effort playing Phil Spector. Loved the Tony Sirico analysis. Interestingly enough, on Russian tv the actors scream to the point of straining their voices. Wonderfully talented Soviet legends have been corrupted into hammy cartoons. So, on some level, with the exception of plastic surgery/Botox/fillers/take your pick, they are contrarily trying to be *too* real. I also wonder about the wonderful "weird" faces. Are they still being born? Are they going into regional theatre? But Lewis, while I share your mistrust of well, almost everyone, if we let them all be public and climb back into our corners they're just gonna win. Regarding the Whoopi Goldberg moment, Miriam Margoyles travelled across America to meet members of the Ku Klux Klan, as well as other radical racists, in 2018, and I believe this programme aired on BBC 4. But I don't think it would've been made today.

hyperballadbrad

The Simpsons - Fave B Side character...... Milhouse. I always related. A close second is a cheeky one..... Mr Burns tripping balls. I haven't watched it for years and years now. I spent so many hours watching South Park in the early 2000s. Reminds me of living with my first partner.... I was so happy yet so lost... we used to stay up all night watching music videos and South Park and trying to figure out the world. Be curious to know if you, or anyone here, enjoys Adventure Time? It's very silly. and colourful but I think their telling of heart, love, and friendship is done with moments of real warmth and exploration... and the HUGE philosophical questions they touch on (in a kids show) is pretty funny. ------------------------------------------------------ I really like Mr Nobody. It's a good film.... I don't remember him being ageless (apart from being REALLY old telling his story), but he lives three potential time lines with three potential partners.. and we see them all play out. It was kind of that era of Butterfly Effect.... very light science meets philosophy themed films. Cube is a very good shout. It's kind of shit but I still really enjoy it. Great idea, not so great execution.

Esteban Rodriguez
>>129836968

I had actually seen Adventure Time when it was coming out. It was during that period when other shows like Regular Show and Gumball were first premiering and me and my brother would watch so much of it. He still to this day loves the shit out of Adventure Time. However even though I also enjoyed that too back then, I stopped watching around Season 5. I don’t know why, probably because I had lost interest. I did watch most of Gumball and Regular Show when it was coming out. That’s probably one of the few things me and my brother would bond over since we’re such polar opposites when it comes to overall taste and aspirations haha. (He’s in university right now studying to be a physicist.)

M.A. Garcias

I'm watching cartoons at lunch time when I'm at the office and half my backlog is made from your recommendations (mostly the animes) but you've convinced me to put South Park on the launchpad. If I'm fired you'll know you're to blame 😂