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Is the New D&D a Bomb? (extended) (Patreon)

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PDM goes analyzes sales figures. Not what you expect.

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Bagel-Man

Excited to hear your take on this professor!

Timothy S Wattigny

although I voted against this video on the poll, I'll be watching

Bryan Stephens

The Atlanta metro has four comic/game shops on just the northwest side. All within 20 min from my home.

Randy Smith

Don't forget that collectors will have purchased both covers. That's two sales to one person and some of them will never play it. 5.5E will be popular. DnDBeyond makes things simple for so many that struggle with simple math.

The Tabletop Engineer

Go to eBay and look at how many of the collector's editions are for sale. And each of those counts as a sale. I suspect a good percentage were bought in order to sell on eBay or to collectors who aren't likely to play the game at all.

Enishi X

It's interesting on wording that wotc uses.

A Name Apart

Glicker mentioned digital sales but he did not highlight pre orders which were not included in his numbers but probably account for a huge number of purchases. Did Tasha's even have preorders?

Scott

I'm sure they'll have another surge in sales when, after the core 3 books are released, they do a "special 3 book set with slip case and DM screen".

Scott Mckay

I don't know anecdotally out of folk I know who play D&D regularly only one guy is interested and even then it is a very on-fence interest. I think it's due for a lull there's not as much talk on geek spaces about it. It felt like during and after lockdown everyone and their mum were playing 5e. Maybe their new "game-like" VTT will draw a different kind of audience regardless I have been off D&D for a while. I'm way more into other TTRPG's.

Jay
>>150774222

Excellent point I certainly hadn't considered.

Anthony Johnston

Deathbringer, as prolific a despoiler and killer as ever there was, will never be able to surpass JJ Abrams or Johnson..... :)

Jay

I still play D20 games, yet they are not always my go-to when I want to play. So, I’m not overly concerned with what happens to WOTC or their sales. I prefer independent game designers and new ideas. Never-the-less, for those who really enjoy D&D, I’ve seen a few reviews of Nimble 5E on Kickstarter & Backerkit, Vagabond Pulp Fantasy on Gamefound, and Tanares RPG for 5E also on Gamefound. In my opinion, they all offer several improvements to 5E in both content and dice mechanics so I will likely back at least two of them just for some of the improvements and inspiration for my own games. Anyway, the reviews might be worth checking out for the good, bad, and ugly if your so inclined. Of course, I’m not paid to say any of this. I just like most of what I saw and thought perhaps some of you might as well. Stay safe and happy gaming everyone.

Terra Jones

I wouldn't say it's strictly necessary for Hasbro to fail. There's a certain schadenfreude in seeing a dishonest jerk hoisted by their own petard but there's quite a bit of room for all of these games to be successful in their own way. I have nothing to lose and nothing to gain by any amount of sales of this book whether it's a bomb or a hit.

MrGunn

Dear Professor: I hope you are doing well and your health is good. A very interesting analysis, the fact that the D&D tide raises all boats is curious. If D&D goes all in for digital will the tide for other TTRPGs ebb? Will other TTRPGs go back to being a niche hobby? Will another game supplant D&D as the new tide? Will D&D continue to be the gateway to other system? In an increasingly digital world, what will happen to brick and mortar stores sell? Best regards, MrGunn

MelodicMethod

I LOVE the background music you put to the ad spots. Wicked cool!

Donald Canard

Thank you for the industry news update. Personally I think ShadowDark and Deathbringer are where is at!

Lee Dunning

I have not and will not purchase it. I don't particularly enjoy 5e and this is just more of the same with added social engineering and high school prom mentality stuff. My current DM is running a 5e campaign and I participate to be a good sport and enjoy the company of my friends. Once the campaign finishes, I intend to throw my hat in the ring and propose running a Savage Worlds adventure. The majority of the players are already using that system with a different DM, so there is little to no learning curve involved. My favorite is still Hero System, but I don't think any of them are up for the involved character building or the number crunching. They'd much rather have exploding dice and a more rules lite system. And I can understand that.

samurguybri

I bought a copy because I’m curious and wanna a fairly definitive version of the new stuff. I may try to pro DM and figure I may want to know what’s up, even though i’m running more OSR type games and would love to do so online. I’ve not read it as I’m currently reading His Majesty The Worm! So I”m an old head who’s really into the osr yet still want to know what’s going on. But I hate reading PDFs, thus a dead tree PHB.

samurguybri
>>150774662

Yeah, I preordered it from a local comic store that seems RPG and board games. I looked like about 60 people did as well. This is one store in a town of 90,000 in CA. I had a gift card!

Lemonsaurus
>>150796752

I've been getting into shadowdark and pulling a few ideas from five torches deep. Don't think I'll be interested in playing D&D as Hasbro would like me to do in a very long time honestly 😂

madcurry

WotC double counting the digital/physical bundles is a certainty. And really not that disingenuous. Those digital copies are like having a second players copy for your group, and they are still charging $10 for them, which is all profit. As the owner of a smallish house I am forced to buy some of my books in digital form, lest I be buried under RPG manuals and pulp fiction. The new players handbook is okay by me, but my players are not ready for all those options. We will be sticking with DCC for the time being.

Jay
>>150837561

I clearly see where you are coming from here. However, I'm not sure I understand how buying the digital copy for $10 is like having a second copy for the group. Those digital copies require you to login to D&D Beyond with your own personal login to access them putting up a barrier for your players. Unless things have changed recently, my understanding is that they are not downloadable PDF's. I find this frustrating myself and why I don't by anything digital from them after I made this mistake the first time. Also, I totally get the idea of using digital copies due to a lack of storage space for the physical books not to mention the price difference. I'm only curious about the new PHB for any new ideas worth borrowing and would like to page through it to see if there is anything worth nicking. So for me it's not worth the money to full on purchase as I won't be using most of it. Never-the-less, everyone has their own preferences. Also, DCC is brutal yet a ton of fun. I see why you might stick with that for a while.

Rod Thomson

Thanks for posting this Professor. I appreciate your perspective on this. For what it's worth, I'll buy the new PHB out of curiosity and my desire to support the hobby (why stop after 45+ years?), but I doubt I'll upgrade my current campaign to this edition. The game already has too many moving parts.

Steven Bogart

I'm glad The Compleat Strategist (in NYC) is still around. The first time I went there was in the mid-1980s. I was there early in 2020 -- still a great store. I really liked Star Trek: Into Darkness while I was watched it. Thinking about it later, I changed my mind and decided it was lazy and manipulative. I hope I don't feel similarly about the new D&D books.