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PODCAST: WWSD - VLOG Status Update 1 - Yesterday's DMR is today's Rifleman (Patreon)

Published:
2017-06-06 12:00:01
Imported:
2026-06

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The WWSD project is a work in progress.   We've made great success towards our end goals but still are experimenting with specifics, as well as readdressing the 18" rifle's role entirely.

We discuss what has gone right, what is in the middle, and where we plan to go with the WWSD project going forward.

This is a long term project for InRangeTV and we hope you'll enjoy coming along for the ride!

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Shawn D.

Are these patrons-only podcasts really VLOGS (as in the "V" being video), or is only the audio mp3 available?

Sean Smith

But I want my steak now! :D I look forward to future deep discussions on parts as I am currently trying to assemble 2 different ARs. I will probably assemble one very close to each of your versions. With the exception of using aluminum lowers, only because I already had them.

FlatDarkEarth

The old rule of thumb (guideline of thumb?) of 1x per 100 may end up being helpful. There are certainly ways to make exceptions, but it always seems relevant for comfortable engagement of practical targets. I'm really happy with the performance of the Vortex Razor 1-6 at both extremes of the range scale, but it's a beast. I've considered building a very lightweight gun in order to allow for the total weight of gun and scope to be more "average".

Peter Kahle

I agree. Sounded very much like they were gesturing to the rifles as they spoke.

InRange TV

This is also a video, but the video wasn't published yet. Scheduling mistake. Congratulations on getting an early listen! :) ~Karl

Sidney Reilley

I've found your WWSD series interesting however I've recently read articles in the Army Times and Marine Corps Times discussing their work to develop and field a replacement/update for the M-16/M-4. I was wondering if you had seen these articles and had any thoughts based on your experience.

C.j. Singleton

I think This project is going to turn up some very workable data honestly I hope someone in the DOD is paying attention

Marshall Lee

Karl sent an update. this was a mistake to post the audio only ahead of the video. (Although I liked hearing it, it did force me to listen carefully since the obvious gesturing was lost without the video.)

Shawn D.

Yes, I saw that -- thanks, Marshall.

Independent George

I'm really looking forward to your in-depth review of different optics systems. I'm pretty new to rifles, and have been rather overwhelmed by the sheer variety of scopes (which, honestly, is a good problem to have!). Are you also testing the various mounting options? Have you considered posting interim reviews/results as you go through the testing process? Even if they fail to meet your criteria, sometimes it's good to hear your full evaluations (as it might well meet someone else's needs). It sounds like you're mostly considering the low power variable scopes (1-4, 1-6, 1-8) popular among 3-gunners. I would love to see your take on the middle-high powered variable scopes (3-9, 2-10, 2.5-10, 3-12, etc.), because it seems the 2-3x low magnification is very suitable to what you're defining as a DMR role.<br><br>The tradeoff would seem to be weight - the lightest of them are still around 16-18 ounces (and even more if it's illuminated, which seems like one of the advances you'd want to keep). Leupold makes some lightweight scopes, but it's going to cost you.

Zac Donovan

I'm very curious about a few things on the two rifles, for instance going with a polymer lower with a fixed stock. I think you're really losing out on a lot of adaptability to the user by accepting a fixed stock polymer lower as "good enough" . You're adding a lot of additional ambi controls, but not allowing for the variance in length of pull both from variance in the monkey pulling the trigger. This looks like pretty conflicting standards.

Bruce Brodnax

The *vast* majority of users aren't going to be shooting wearing body armor, and the *only* purpose(s) for the [weak, unwieldy] collapsible stock on the CAR-15 is to adjust LoP for midgetry [ie: anyone under average red-blodded 'Murrican male size] or for the reduced clearance from wearing an armor vest. And if you've got long arms like my friend the orangutan-man, you won't need it even then! ;-D

Bruce Brodnax

And their approach with the fixed polymer lower is that it's both cheaper and arguably more reliable under adverse conditions than the built-up from parts standard version. Just sayin'...

Bruce Brodnax

The tradeoff is actually targeting speed, as mentioned in a couple of the videos, it's still possible to get a little "lost" in the scope at even relatively low magnification when the targets are close in...

Zac Donovan

All of what you've said is true, however Karl and Ian both comment pretty repeatedly about things in terms of role in a squad. That's pretty explicitly considering a military application , and Eugene Stoner certainly building the original design for a military application as well. In a modern military application, a pretty ubiquitous piece of gear now is infantry armor.

Steve Zeatlow

I would love to see a PSL styled polymer lower for the AR-15.

Steve Zeatlow

What you need is a 10X scope with a built in red dot in the lense closest to the eye. The red dot doesn't care what's in front of it, you can run a red dot with the front lense cap closed. Eye relief is no longer a factor until you are using the 10X scope. Until someone gets around to making one just use a Vortex Spark and a 7X pistol scope for now.

Bruce Brodnax

Aka "Dragunov-style" stock. Yes, I'm with you on that. Best improvement possible for the lowly ol' skS is the cost-effective ATI Drago' stock. DAMHIK. NB: ATI's design doesn't allow for the skS' need for relief to remove the action cover, but that's solved with about 20 min work w/ saw & file, it's only made of glass-reinforced nylon after all.... ;-)

Independent George

I meant as a tradeoff vs. a fixed-power, not a red dot. Any magnification is always going to have a short range disadvantage in terms of speed & eye relief, but the 2x seems to be an acceptable tradeoff as it's only a minor difference in speed, and only applicable at very close range (under ~25 yards). I think Karl only noticed about a 0.5 second difference in the speed drills, and it made no difference to Ian.<br><br>The question of fixed vs variable comes down to weight and eye relief vs. greater magnification capability. My instinct (as an armchair general who's never competed, let alone been in combat) is that for the long range shots where you might want to change magnification, the extra time spent changing power and finding your eye relief offset by the more accurate fire, and the more shots you have at long distance, the more that advantage helps.<br><br>If I were designing a stage to really test the concept, I think I'd make the shooter constantly switch between short, medium, and long targets - maybe in a random order. I would expect the shooter to hold it at 2-3x for anything up to 200 yards, but increase the magnification for anything beyond it.

Paul Montanari

You just learned a Marine Corps lesson. Marine Corps putting RCOs on all rifles changes the game significantly. 4x awesome optic rugged as hell makes us more lethal farther out.

Erik Johnson

I love the WWSD video series. Like Ian, I have the advantage of being left handed and I've begun changing how I look at my AR as a result.

David J.

Two questions: 1. Since the WWSD AR-15 based DMR is heading twards a rifleman rifle, are you guys considering building the WWSD DMR on a AR-10 platform? 2. Chris Bartocci has made a review of the American Tactical MAXX polymer ar-15: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umuJ7sdZJGk" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umuJ7sdZJGk</a> What is yours opinion on them, have you guys considered those parts? <a href="https://www.americantactical.us/5117/detail.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.americantactical.us/5117/detail.html</a>

Adam Seaman

WWSD is amazing! I was curious which target illuminator/laser Karl was running on his "Door Kicker".