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PODCAST: Rethinking the AR15 - CONCLUSION (Patreon)

Published:
2018-04-07 12:00:00
Imported:
2026-06

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This is an audio only version of a recently released video for the convenience of those who wish to listen when unable to watch. 

This is Patreon perk for all supporters. You can listen to it via the browser, here, or you can subscribe to all future InRange podcasts via an RSS feed:

https://patreon.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/212055866-How-Do-I-Get-and-Use-My-Audio-RSS-Link-

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There will inevitably be some video updates regarding subcomponents or new ideas in the future, but this is officially our final video in the WWSD series.

You can find all of the components we standardized on for our "official" WWSD build here:

http://www.inrange.tv/wwsd-carbine-official-components/

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Robert Marini

What would Delisle do upper next?

Josh B.

For an option of having BUIS that don’t take up rail space, someone needs to make an upper where they are integral like the tavor/x95. You don’t think about them unless you’d need them in combat if your optics craps out or is caked with mud or snow. 99% of us using ar’s will never be in that situation except maybe a contractor. So they’d be nice to have for peace of mind but as you guys have stated and multiple photos of real warfighters have shown they’re not necessary. I enjoyed this project and am especially looking forward to the lever gun alternate history series coming.

MJust

Thanks to your project, I built a rifle with the GWACS lower and I have another one in progress. I love the weight savings. As for sling mounting, I did something a little differently. I took a Magpul QD sling mount then filed off the M-Lok lugs on the back. I found a Brigand Arms M-Lok aluminum backing plate that has the the right screw spacing. I drilled the appropriate holes in the GWACS stock and mounted the sling mount using the backing plate inside the stock. The backing plate gives the sling mount more surface area to put less stress on the polymer butt stock. It works great!

Marty

Loved the WWSD project. (Maybe wristbands for purchase? LOL) I of course appreciate the goal of a LIGHTWEIGHT and Great at Everything rifle. I also appreciated that you faithfully went with what you felt best moved the project forward regardless of cost. I love that some of the stuff was pricey and some of the stuff was NOT!! Great job. Love it. It will definitely influence my next build.

Michael Batza

Loved the series and I'm a little sad to see it end. One thing the upper receiver made by AERO weighs 6.5oz and costs $100. Why not an Anderson lightweight sport upper which weighs 6.88oz and costs $40? I just know a guy that builds light weight ARs who uses them, his best one weighed 4lb 7oz. I don't think it would be as tough as your WWSD rifles though. Haha funny dig at aimpiont , that is the constitutive optics maker you were talking about. They hand out dvds at their booths with product specs on them.

Andrew

I tell ya what I am kicking myself (but not that hard) right now. after you announced the bolt carrier group I had been tracking and all the parts were announced. So I went in and bought every single item on the list. on the list for Ian's gun. so two days later this Vid drops. Oh the irony. This actually turns out better for me for several reasons. Firstly OpticsPlanet.com is amazing thanks for the headsup to this website. they had 80% of the parts I needed and also they have an excellent return policy so the 600 (750 with mounting and other accessories) and the 18 inch gunner barrel can be returned. the 15 inch handguard is not available on OP and out of stock elewhere so i was still incomplete for the rifle but the 13 hg and 14.5+perm flash pencil were both on OP so now I will save money by swapping the scope for the holosun and have the complete components necessary.

Duncan Hall

Regarding the selection of barrel, what method of attatchment for a silencer did y'all go with? Or is that a specialized enough purpose as to warrant a seperate upper receiver?

chris rookstool

I have one of those sporters, is good, No dust cover.

Michael Batza

Yes, I had to actually look at the picture of the aero to see if it does have a dust cover. In all honestly I question the usefulness of the dust cover since it is open all the time unless the user deliberately closes it. The AR's bolt fits tight enough to prevent ingress of material, but if I was in a place with dust storms I would want a dust cover.

Ruben R.

I like how you guys worked your way to the “final” set up of the rifles. As a personal preference I would keep the BUIS, I have actually had a T2 and a Sig optic take a dump on me at work and been forced to switch to iron sights. Loved the series, looking forward to whatever you guys are cooking up!

King Nerd

Hey Ian and Karl,

King Nerd

Hey Ian and Karl, I was wondering if you would be willing to create a "control" sample AR-15 to compete against your WWSD rifles. It is one thing to have your testimony on how well this project has turned out for you but without a direct comparison there is a loss of context to the performance of the finished product. I know it would be at the expense of thousands of dollars but I still feel that it would be valid to have an "industry standard" rifle vs the WWSD rifle showdown.

Jeremy Nettles

I get that you want numbers to compare objectively, but a lot of what's so nice about these rifles (from what they've said) is more qualitative than quantitative, and there's not a great and quick way to compare them solely with numbers. Even if they did buy an off-the-shelf M&P-15, then give comparison specs, and run both guns through the same match a few times, more people would whine about how they're not giving a fair shake to slightly higher-tiered incarnations than would be satisfied that the point is proven.

Jacob Murray

Something for you guys to think about for your handguards. I don't know what matrix is used by the manufacturer, but carbon fibre has a very low glass transition temperature. I would imagine it is 120 degrees Celsius or there abouts. If you do mag dumps or a lot of shooting you are going to hAve issues with the hand guard.

Jacob Murray

One other thing that has just crossed my mind is that stoner ar10s and Dutch rifles used fiberlite. So the CF was already tried in The 1950s. But CF has abismal properties such as through plane shear. I don't think that CF would be able to withstand mil std types of testing to make it into regular issue.

Bruce Brodnax

And yet: the dust cover is why the AR beat the AK and M1A & , & , &... in the mud tests. The point of the dust cover is that while you're shooting the AR, nothing is likely to get inside past the stream of exiting brass, but it can be closed at all other times & automagically opens when the rifle is fired. Eugene Stoner did some good work there, even if the buys should have named this project "What Would _SULLIVAN_ Do," since Stoner was a fan of the .308 and really didn't want the AR-10 adulterated by scaling down to the -15. ;-)

Bruce Brodnax

Yeah, but nobody is making a Kevlar/CF hg (yet), so we've got to muddle along as best we [individual shooters w/o F/A rifles] can... ;-)

Jacob Murray

I don't disagree with this being a great shooters rifle. From testing experience on current rifles I know that the composites and polymers will not meet mil std testing. So these rifles would have to be a step change better than current to be considered for replacement of military rifles.

Michael Batza

Yes, it helps but I agree with my friend the addition of the dust cover is not worth an extra $60. I watched a couple of mud test videos and the dust cover makes little difference, not saying it shouldn't have a dust cover just not not imperative in my opinion.

Bruce Brodnax

So if the mil wants to keep the alloy hg, by all means, they can do so. Hit it up with some ceramic paint & fill it full of holes & it can achieve most of the lightness & heat rejection qualities of a CF handguard. But I seriously doubt that if they're making the F35 out of CF at a cost that *one* F35 could probably pay for the replacement of ALL the rifles in inventory, that they'd be unable to develop an adequate composite hg if they really wanted to. Faxon is a tiny company serving a niche market via OTS suppliers in order to survive: whomever they've contracted with to OEM their CF handguard, I can almost guarantee they're using established materials & processes [ie, lowest cost methods] in order to have some margin for profit, rather go into a multi-year development process to meet some established mil standard or criteria. You're getting too knotted up by a minor detail that is unlikely to *ever* matter to the private individual exercising their 2a rights, even if, heaven forfend, they should ever be called into play for their intended purpose. Thank you Anti-Federalists, for insisting on the BofR! Now if we can just educate the younger generation being willfully led astray by Soros & his ilk before the whole system is undermined! [BTW, Fiberlite != CF, not by a long stretch.]

Bruce Brodnax

If the handguard ever got to a temp higher than boiling water, you're not going to be holding on to it any longer. I don't think this is a real problem for those using one in meatspace. If I'm that desperate to heat my can of C-rats, I'll wire tie it to the exhaust header on the truck, just like my forefathers. In the meantime, I can find new uses for CF, an option that was not available back in their day... ;-)

Bruce Brodnax

You might also check out their blown sand test video fwiw. Also, I'm pretty sure I was able to source an AeroP bare upper for ~$50 before the popularity of the WWSD series blew all the prices up on the specific parts. Managed to get an ambi charging handle for a LOT less than the Gei$$ele version too [albeit w/o the G-model's built-in gas deflection: some $1 store rtv sillycone resolved that issue adequately... buy the black flavor, it doesn't show up as noticeably as red! ;-)] If you pace yourself & wait for the bargains to show up on their own [cannot stress prowling the gun.deals site on a daily basis enough here!], then you can get something very close to the What Would Sullivan Do rifle for a MUCH more reasonable price... Thanks to the guys for showing the way, but you don't have to make a slavish copy of their work, throw in some wrinkles of your own! What is the erector-set of rifles for, if not personalization? :-D

Bruce Brodnax

I think you're going to have to decide on what silencer QD system you're going to use before you *permanently* attach it to the end of the barrel, if you go w/ the 14.5", non-NFA "door-kicker" build Karl followed in the WWSD series. For flexibility alone, I'd go w/ a 16" barrel for just that reason. And there's always that skosh more Vm that you'll get from an extra 1.5" of barrel before all the doodads go on the end, too. ;-)

Jacob Murray

Ok so fibrelite is woven glass which has much better properties for a hand guard. It would be interesting how many less plies it requires to get the same strength as CF. it could very well be lighter. we usually use glass as an outer protective ply on items such as aircraft wings. I think that there is some dreaming in thinking that alloys can just be magicked up. We would love to use AlLi except for the fact that it is cancerous, explodes while being machined & it has the tendency of acting like slate and splitting into sheets. But it is always a first choice.

Jacob Murray

I am sure you realise that the CF on the main wing box of commercial airliners are about 4 inches thick at the root & that the leading j-nose panels and access panels and the trailing edge panels are only two plies covering a honeycomb core. The j-nose and trailing edge panels are repair by replacement if impacted by more than 15 joules. Also there is the issue of water ingress which has not been covered in this topic. How are the ends of the hand guard sealed? Oil ingress hmmm? Will these handguards pass a mil std flamability test once they have been subjected to the oil bath? There are far more things to consider when trying to get something qualified for acceptance. I have yet to meet a rifle that can pass secured storage road test. But we still accept them.

ol'hognose

I'm a combat veteran, train in bjj, train with firearms, and am generally more martially capable than your average layman. I am, however, not overly tech savvy. Sure i can log into facebook and youtube but outside of that I'm not good for much. I know there are dark corners of the internet filled with people who range all over the spectrum of human morality and that they can wield great power. That however is the extent of my knowledge. In this day and age how relevant are old boars like me when it comes to civil disobedience, revolution, general freedom loving shenanigans, and watering that thirsty liberty tree? I have this feeling that the next great battle for freedom will be fought more with keyboards than steel.