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Fighting wrong with wrong? (Patreon)

Published:
2018-04-25 17:19:45
Imported:
2026-06

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I have heard people rumbling about attempting to use YouTube's new policies against other channels which we do not agree with as an 'example'.

I would urge you not to do this, and I have referenced War Games to make my point.

We can do better than using shenanigans and crowd sourced censorship with our beliefs.

Decentralize. Crowd funding. Speak out.

Do not do not engage in the same behavior you supposedly detest as a way to prove you detest it.

~Karl

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WarGames - "The Only Winning Move"

From the movie, "WarGames". All rights go to their respective owners.

Comments

Matisse Enzer

We are defined not only by what we do, but what what we refuse to do.

OldGreyBeast

I agree, but it does make me wonder if it would encourage YT to actually do something about their flagging system if abuse became more widespread.

Teddy

So many tactics derided as "underhanded" end up being used by everyone equally under the presumption that "Well, they're doing it too!" is an excuse... except that's how everything escalates / devolves to lowest-common-denominator ugliness, idiocy and tyranny-by-majority. Thank you for advocating for the high road.

Cade Rarick

Well said. We should not stoop to their level.

ayures

I think forcing youtube's hand to enforce the rules equally would cause enough people to get upset for things to actually change.

Drew Coleman

Well said Karl! I urge everyone to tell YouTube to add human review to any channel with "controversial" topics (not just guns), and to take action against those filing false reports.

Anders Weidik Bendsen

I like this post almost as much as I like the basic premise for InrangeTV.

Dayhiker42

“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” ― Mark Twain

Landric Hakon

Well said. The bad behavior of others is not a justification to engage in bad behavior ourselves.

Jon Payne

Only thinking tactically - fighting the enemy wherever he appears and thus allowing him to dictate the flow of battle - is unwise in any type of war. Be it total war, guerrilla war, or information war. Youtube is a sinking ship, anyway. Let them waste their time and resources there. There is more than one front and more than one theater in this war.

Ian Stobie

As a wise philosopher once said "assholery begets assholery" ..you cannot win by sinking to the depths of your opponent's intellectual dishonesty.

Cody Cook

I don't understand why abusing the YouTube flagging system would lead to any sort of victory for anyone. Disagreements should be handled with discourse, not petty attacks.

Sumorat

As usual Well said.

Colburn Freml

Suppressing the freedom of speech to prevent others from suppressing your freedom of speech is absurd. We should be so damned amazed that we nominally have free speech that we voraciously protect it (regardless of who said what).

J Neko

So say we all!

Ferrous

Agreed. sooner or later, someone's going to take on YouTube (probably Gab) and that'll be that.

Tod F. Roach

Thanks for posting this. It is vital that the response to those who choose the low road is one that takes us to a better place. That is why you and other fight the good fight, not to blow the whole structure to bits.

Łukasz Papaj

You cannot really out-low the enemy that starts from position of over-emotional teenagers. Youtube's system is prone to abuse, same as any other voting system with a negative vote. Also, every other instance of such abuse was resolved by triggering manual review. One thing that could help (at least helped in one instance known to me) is when some big channels that have assigned reps nudged their contact into "looking into people looking into the matter". . Way things work in YT land, the small channels are really in hands of automated system that no-one really cares about. have over 500k subs (IIRC) it's another ballgame.

Gerald King

Youtube doesn't seem to have any direct user feedback path. It would be helpful to let them know how useless some of their policies are.

Kurt Feltenberger

Well said, Karl. You've always been the voice of reason when everyone else has gone full Chicken Little.

Stephen Manista

" It is vain to fight totalitarianism by adopting totalitarian methods. Freedom can only be won by men unconditionally committed to the principles of freedom. The first requisite for a better social order is the return to unrestricted freedom of thought and speech." - Ludwig von Mises, Omnipotent Government

Redlock

Well said! You are a man of honour.

NOCO

I absolutely agree. 100%.

Icebreaker Interactive

Oh, Jesus! For a moment there I thought you were sharing our reveal trailer! We recreated the War Room in Wargames in Unreal Engine for our game. But what Karl said. We have to turn the internet into Switzerland, a more direct democracy approach (with sensible gun culture to boot).