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Culture, Commentary & Rant - Bolt guns are Obsolete (Patreon)

Published:
2018-06-02 12:00:01
Imported:
2026-06

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InRange has, and always will, be interested in putting historic firearms through their paces in competition - both against one another and against modern equivalents.

That said, however, we see people still arguing that bolt guns are still relevant and in this video we discuss why that really is not the case.

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Joshua Hassell

Thank I was not trying to argue just curious as how much better the modern performance was in actual data.

Erik Johansson

As always interesting. Just a tiny request; could you include in the description when a video was recorded? As i take it this was shot in 2017, i was quite confused at first when you talked about the carcano match (and thinking I was going crazy in the heat, close top 30C here atm).

christopher

Whats the future of bolt guns as inexpensive accurate hunting rifles? Are their days numbered?

Candid Zulu

As long as you hunt animals that do not shoot back a bolt gun can be perfect! Also semi auto rifles are banned in many parts of the world. The trend in the EU right now where they shoot a lot of driven game is towards straight pull rifles.

Herk

All the points in this conversation are ones that I've heard from a friend of mine who served in Ranger Regiment and later Special Forces. He frequently rants about how the "one shot, one kill" mentality of American target shooters is actually detrimental to training shooters for fighting. This friend of mine is a very good shot but he admits that when overseas he would snap off 3 or 4 shots at a foe in the hopes that one would connect... and one or two usually would. Guys who fired once and then stopped to see if it worked usually missed. I too think it's interesting that you guys have reached this conclusion by "only" taking training and shooting matches; I think it shows that you're on the right track!

moosemaimer

I decided to check what rifles were used in the longest confirmed sniper kills ever, and the four top records were done with bolt guns: the Tac-50 and the L115A3, so extreme long-distance still appears to be the domain of the single-shot. In other news, just over a year ago the record was pushed out by OVER A KILOMETER.

Eugene Luder

...for military or self defense applications.

Anton

Wasn't the idea for the "mad minute" a high volume of fire with multiple shooters. Essentially an artificial machine gun?

Holloway

This is why I love Ian and Karl. They have such reverence for older systems, but they aren't fudds. I have a few bolt actions, a lever, and a mk iv webley...and they are fun...but any day I'd rather shoot my ARs and more modern handguns

matt albertson

how about a video on how to calculate energy foot-pounds?

Matisse Enzer

Rifle vs. rifle combat is far from the major source of combat casualties. Certainly one wants ones' own team to have the best available. And when it comes to rifle use in combat you need to think about the overall small unit tactics, for example what machine guns and mortars are available and what is the doctrine for how they are used? My understanding is that the German doctrine in WWII made much more use of machine-guns to destroy their adversary compared to Allied and Russian doctrine which used machine-guns very differently, and of course the Russian adopted tactics that sometimes involved a great many sub-machine-guns. Anyway, the point is that one should be looking at the whole picture, which, I think most of the folks following InRange probably do understand.

Ernie Anderson

Chuck is that the driveway gun...?? If not I would love to see your driveway gun...,???

Bruce Brodnax

Very much a response to "human wave" tactics that the British army was familiar with from colonial experience...

MalRoadkill

I would be interested to see how pump action rifles & lever action rifles compare now. Remington had a slick little pump rifle in .223 that took AR mags.

LV

Which they unfortunately no longer sell, at least to the public it seems. I would very much have liked to have one.

matthew a nugent

Dear Karl and Ian. First of al I feel I owe you an apology. My bank information went un updated on pattern for a vary long time, this was purely an oversight on my part, I have fixed it now and I’m very sorry. I agree completely on the ability of military Surplus bolt actions to replace modern Semi-auto rifles. that’s I own a Century arms AK, 12 gauge pump action, and sub 2000. But can my 1942 Mauser 98 make a practical supplement to them in a 250 to 400ya DM role? Assuming I can get my shooting skills up to that level. I’m sure it wouldn’t be the best but as always money is tight and I already own the Mauser, and I can put a 1 to 6 scot scope on for the cost of the glass which is about $200. Also if you think I should bight the bullit and save up the money to bye a Quality modern hunting rifle or entry level Percision rifle is it still worth the cost of the the scot scope or should I just poot the original rear sight back on?

Matt136

With the proliferation and availability of reliable and cost effective self-loading rifles (especially AR15 and AR10 type rifles) and your rant on surplus bolt action rifles, do you think the concept of a light, modern general purpose bolt action rifle ("modernized scout rifle") in a full power cartridge has (still) merit?

Knathaniel C

Silly question, What is a "FUDD"?

Glen G Walker

Fudd as in Elmer Fudd. Old hunter who angrily rejects anything made after 1957. e.g. "I been huntin' fer 70 years and never did need no 30-round magazine"