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We're frequently asked what we think the best AR15 build should be and, upon thinking about it, we realized no one was doing it the way we would if we did..so we did it ourselves.

By aggregating parts from a multitude of vendors we've come up with an interesting approach to what we think the AR15 could, and should have been as it was modernized and "improved".

In other words, in 2017, What Would Stoner Do?

This video is the introduction to the concept. 

We plan to have a lot of content around this project: flushing it out, competing with it, training with it, and explaining every individual bit, piece and detail in depth!

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Kenny VanCleave

I can't wait to see these rifles. You are approaching the project in a analytical way that fascinates me.

Christopher Ford

The biggest disadvantage to the polymer lower I see is no adjustable length of pull for wearing armor or other thick clothing. Not really inherent to the polymer itself (and not a problem for my purposes), but an issue for the roles you're envisioning.

InRange TV

That might be difficult, the parts are sourced from wildly different vendors. It'd require one of them to be willing to put it together and source it from one place and that would require collaboration between vendors which seems always so, so difficult. We'll see what happens! :)

Sam

I was listening to this and I like the ideas that you guys have. But I was thinking in regards to your optics part could an EMP take out the optics if they are electronically controlled?

Sidney Reilley

I like your concept and anxiously await the next installment. Hopefully somewhere in the future you will address the subject of springs,design and materials.

Matthew W. Solberg

Can anyone tell me where Q&A questions should be submitted? Just comment here, or is there an email address or separate msg board?

InRange TV

Right here on Patreon when I solicit for them...in fact I just did, so check the most recent post. :)

Lee Harri

Karl and Ian, this will be a very great series given the overwhelming plethora of items available to choose from, the latest and greatest new and improved item for the platform, as well as those "experts" telling you what is needed. On the subject of Eugene Stoner, I find myself not only looking at the AR-15 platform, but the AR-18/180 platform as well. The overwhelming availability of AR-15 components makes this a moot issue as compared to the lack of availability of AR-18/180 parts. I believe the intended result was the same by two very different designs. Your thoughts?

Aliester

Thanks for the video, can't wait to see the rest. Question about the ambi bolt release, did you mean on a polymer lower? I know that Seekins Precision has ambi bolt releases on all their lowers (which is what I have, even though I'm right handed), so would that have worked, or would it just add too much weight when adding a stock and buffer tube?

Peter Henning

In the later videos will you be going over why you went with a single fixed power scope for the dmr type rifle versus something lile a holographic hybrid with swing in magnification or the leupold D-evo with LCO type set up?

InRange TV

Yes, this is the podcast version that we provide as a benefit to supporters. They can listen to it or download it with their preferred podcast app via our RSS feed. The video itself is up on YouTube, Full30 and Facebook.com/inrangetv. :)

phil cole

It will be interesting to see how useful the bipod is for Ian's rifle. The concept of magnet quick detach is very interesting

Kevin Williams

I really like this series concept and can't wait to see more.

Andrew MacDougall

I'm only 6 minutes into this video but jus from looking at the two you have in your hands but are so effortfully not trying to directly talk about I am already in agreement as to your ideas.

Andrew MacDougall

OK, 16 minutes in and two comments: I personally don't have enough confidence in polymer lowers (yet) that I'd trust them in a combat rifle. YMMV on this, but that IMHO. I'd go with AL here. Second the Holosun, though a good optic (I have one on mine) is from what I've heard is not "drop safe" and will likely shift its POA if it takes a tumble. In both cases it would be OK to build it as you do as a range-toy, but not as something I'd stake my own or another's life on.

Andrew MacDougall

An Aimpoint micro with an EOTECH reticule would be ideal as an optic.

Jeff Freeman

I'm going to guess weight. It seems like weight is a major sticking point for them and swing out magnifiers are relatively heavy.

Bruce Brodnax

Cannot BELIEVE some of the criticism your build choices are drawing over on Full30, despite the fact that you clearly stated that you'd go into depth of why you made the particular choices you did in future segments of the serial topic, and that you stated AT THE VERY BEGINNING that the choices you made were based upon a semi-auto civilian non-NFA platform! Hoo boy, we're in for a fun ride! ::) P.S. - I'm a fan of b.u. irons [well, aluminums or polymers in today's world], but appreciate your position that you're trying to establish that they're truly a belt&suspenders approach in ordinary circumstances...

Jerry Gentry

Over the last couple of years I've been slowly dropping the weight off of my main AR with me meager income. This intro makes me very excited for the series to come. Can't say enough how pleased I am to be a patreon and supporter of your work. My only question is will you two be running these rifles at HaH this year?

InRange TV

These guns at HaH is the plan, yes indeed!

InRange TV

It's AR15 related and thus the comments will inevitably become a dumpster fire.

Jon B

Hey great video and great idea for a series. Just one question. Are these both direct impingement or short stroke gas piston rifles? Please pardon my ignorance if that was mentioned already. I'm guessing they are impingement to keep the weight down but as I can't have an AR where I live I have no practical knowledge.

SteelN’Anchor

Could we get a full detailed parts list? I am very interested myself in building a similar rifle as a summer project.

Andrew MacDougall

Two things I've thought of, purely in the realm of fantasy: 1. The AR platform has a lot of good things going for it; closed and tight-tolleranced action, modularity/after-market and light weight but one of its drawbacks as the "perfect" close-range battle round is the 556. I proposed a fantasy WWSD rifle to be in 5.45. Better ballistics (terming and flight) than 5.56 and better reliability/extraction of the 39mm case. 2. A lightweight, QD suppressor. Yes it adds weight but it improves communications and reduces signiture in a military application. If its QD you can easily remove it for maximum lightness. In a purely military context where NFA doens't apply a side-folding 10.5" PDW for echelon troops. This would be considerably more compact than the M4 in its originally conceived role.

Andrew MacDougall

I forgot to mention above that the improved extraction of the 39mm would be most useful in an IAR role.

Garth Johnson

I really like this content & concept. Why didn't you consider the SeeAll Open Sight. It would be lighter than either of the options you chose; doesn't take batteries and comes in a version with tritium.

FlatDarkEarth

I'm excited about this project. I immediately appreciated the concept and like a lot about the parts chosen. If I may, some questions: -Did you consider a magnesium-based lower? It looks like it may be a way to save weight and retain the collapsible stock. -Did you consider the Trijicon TA33 for Ian's rifle? While quadruple the price, I believe its eyebox is way more forgiving than the PA 2.5x, so while the mag is slightly higher, it may actually be quicker. -Nitpick: I think it may be incorrect to call a VLTOR upper billet. Unless they've changed something since, when I got mine it was forged, but twice struck and a bit beefier than a standard upper. Keep up the great work!

YourFavoriteSheepdog

About how much did they cost to build? I'm thinking about building my first AR, and I really love this concept?

Charles Adams

Really am intrigued with the implementation of "super magnets" to secure the bipod. I think that there may possibly some other implementations of these rare earth magnets in the shooting sports in the future - I've seen and used them in my industry where we had to secure/hold ferrous materials where more typical methods of securing the tool/equipment was simply not working or was insecure. As a possible alternative to the tripod you've selected, have you seen this - <a href="https://www.vltor.com/shop/ar/bipods/mp-1-vltor-modpod/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.vltor.com/shop/ar/bipods/mp-1-vltor-modpod/</a> ? As you've already chosen to use the Vltor upper on one of your builds, this might deserve some scrutiny. I do see one improvement, however, the bipod locks every 90 degrees of rotation, I can see where a 45 degree decent could be very useful. I like many of your loyal fans and supporters eagerly await the new integration of your builds and the philosophical background for your selections. It is refreshing that your thought processes extend beyond the idea " I want that on my rifle 'cause it looks cool,"

Heikki Siltala

Is there someplace I can see the current parts list for both Ian's and Karl's guns?