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Recently some people have asked me what was my stance on AI. I made a couple of journals about it on DA back then but of course they got nuked ^^;

Basically, I look at it with a mix of apprehension and fatalism, like many artists to be honest. It's a technology that is clearly here to stay and have made its way into a lot of pipelines already across the illustration and animation industry, so it's not going away regardless. I can't say I'm a big fan, though, for many reasons.

-It's very destructive and force professional artists to compete with algorithms capable of instantly producing dozens of pictures on a prompt, which is making many already though professions even tougher or downright unsustainable if you don't use it... It's very demoralizing for illustrators and sent a few of my friends and colleagues into depression and anxiety..

- AI in general is a technology I look at with suspicion. I don't want to become too political here , I certainly think it has a lot of potential in certain fields but I feel it's something that is being pushed very hard and artificially onto the population, with very little upsides compared to its massive downsides. It also consumes an insane amount of energy to work.

-It impoverishes creativity in general. There are many talented aspiring artists that could have been very successful but who simply won't try and pursue a career in art because of AI. In the long run I fear it's going to lead to less human-made pictures being created in general, while in parallel we're increasingly going to see AI cannibalize itself and start to harvest AI-generated pictures to generate new ones. I don't think the result will be very positive for anybody..

- And of course there is the big one : the whole process relies on basically stealing the work of artists. It's like a two prong thing : it harvest hundreds of thousands works from artists and then use them to mass-produce pictures to replace those same artists. It's.. not a good feeling.

So yeah... I can understand people who like it and use it and feel empowered by it. but as an artist myself, I look at it with mostly concern and a lot of worries.

And I want to be clear that you will never see any AI being used in my work. I count myself very lucky to have a job where I draw for my community and you guys instead of some companies. It's giving me the choice. So everything I do is, has always be, and will remain 100% hand-drawn. that's something I can guarantee to you guys :3

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JIMMYPOOTRON

I feel like there is still an amazing amount of people who will choose real art over AI generated stuff and I feel like artists must pursue their progress in art regardless and keep their heads up. but that being said I completely agree

Heavenless Star

It’s sad that people will let skynet take over before they learn how to draw.

TestSubject6

It’s scary to see what AI is starting to manage to replicate, but it’s also reassuring seeing that the cost to run AI is finally catching up to some of the big AI companies. I’m still hopeful that the bubble will burst based on how Sora was shut down earlier this month due to how much of a loss that project ended up becoming

RagingAgain

There's loads of AI pictures that are clearly based on your work around

MilesPrower94

I use the Google ai to brainstorm ideas for a project I'm working on. Not to generate images, but to bounce ideas off of, and change some if they feel like they're closely copying a different work (a character I'm building has a lot of similarities to a recurring fire emblem character, right down to the name. Granted the story for her is different from the one of fire emblem, but I didn't want to draw to many parallels.) The Google ai has also helped me come up with ideas for my project that I probably never would have on my own, and the primary reason I use it is bc not everyone has time to talk about games and such every time I get a new idea in my head for my project.

fullddl

It seems that people have used AI services with too lighthearted a mindset because the cost has been too low compared to its impact on our lives. People need to approach this more cautiously.

JohnboyX

If it helps to ease the mind I've looked at tons of AI art over the years and even stumbled upon works copying your style and let me tell you this in most cases (like over 90%) hand-drawn art is still and in my opinion will almost always look miles better than simple/boring 😴 generated stuff. As a special praise (and I really mean it) in relation to your exceptional high skill level and the quality artworks you produce there's no other artist I know and currently support whose works have consistently managed to pull me back in so that I can look at them time and time again and never get bored in the slightest 👍 . To sum things up there's really no need to worry in my opinion especially considering that AI already had years to improve and in most cases still only manages to produce soulless slop 🤢.

Derik

As someone who has looked into this topic, Ai has this issue of "creating abominations" or "making something TOO perfect" there is never an in between, and I'm very certain thats why most people prefer human made art. Even a flaw from human made art can still look good and natural, and not look uncanny like what Ai does. There are some arts where its extremely difficult to tell if its made by Ai (and in my opinion thats actually kind of scary) and that level of certainty does make enjoying art rather difficult because now there is this "air of suspicion" at almost every art a person see's because you don't fully know if its Ai or not. Ai would be better as an assistant tool, but we all know thats not what most people would use it for (as evident with a lot of art sites like Pinterest, and DA) and its because of those people they create doubt in other people of whether or not what they're looking at is real or not. I don't harbor hate towards the people who loves Ai. I just think they should use it responsibly and not overly rely on it, use it to assist, not to be the main focus. If they got an idea and wonder how it would look? Use a prompt and then draw themselves. That would be the most ideal way to use Ai. But again... thats just something most people won't do. And I am kind of glad that the "Ai bubble" is beginning to pop because I have been seeing a lot of push back on Ai and Ai not doing too well with companies and such. I don't know if I'm wrong on that or not, but its just something I've noticed. Ai is expensive to maintain, and because of the horrifically low demand there is profit to made from it. People demand and prefer human made art, and as long as we still have artists who chooses to stick to what they love, and make amazing art. Then Ai art will very likely be in the back burner for a long while. I do agree that it will probably never go away, but I do believe that it can fall into obscurity and just stay in the back for the foreseeable future.

nostromo

I share the sentiment. Quite frankly i can't be bothered watching /reading stuff that no one bothered to paint or write... Some stuff Ai does is indeed impressive at first glance, but it hardly suffers scrutiny. Real artists still have a future i think, as they will emerge above the mediocrity Ai may paint itself into... Kudos to you for staying honest...

ImpactGoemon

Yeah, IA is here to stay. I don't think it is an inherently bad/evil tool, it mostly depends on what people do with it... which has been pretty nasty, to be honest. It can be used as a help tool, but one should not expect for it to be a solution for everything. I'm a SW developer and many companies are making the usage of AI mandatory. And when they find out that IA will not magically solve the problems they've been carrying for decades, they will blame the worker, not the insane amount of bullshit everyones has to deal with that has nothing to do with IA.

Turboman500

It's like anything else... a tool. It's neither good, nor bad - depending on how it's used. For instance - There are plenty of creators whose art i really like. Because of that, commissioning them is still something i would do. However, when it comes to using AI- one thing I COULD do with it, is to use it to story board an entire comic style project that I might wish to commission - such that the Artist need only put their spin on it and we aren't going back and forth for weeks on end about major compositional details. I could also use it in game development for bits of code that are redundant or just background stuff that takes time I COULD be spending to do something else. Same with 3d rendering, etc. It's a simple tool like anything else that people/corps either abuse - or apply in an ethical manner. A hammer itself isn't evil, but it would GENEREALLY be evil to put the claws through the back of someone's skull, wouldn't it? At least for current generations, the artist will generally be preferable for a finished result, but AI can help people achieve major creative goals they may lack the skill for in the short term. This in turn may help them get their foot in the door on a collab, because at least they were able to generate proof of concept.

luck

I really love the works that karbo creates. They have a quality that AI simply cannot replicate. I will continue to support you, so thank you in advance.

Anansi

I feel you there my friend and indeed, I really much stoped improving in drawing myself because of AI and have had my dreams of becoming an independed artist crushed. Take care in these turbulent times as I believe that the world will become a very harsh place soon.

Clockwork Apple

We are still in the early days of AI and one reason it's so prevalent is that people aren't paying true costs. Yet. Right now there is an insane amount of money flooding into AI, so much that it's dramatically shifting whole tech sectors like chip production to build out hyper scale data centers. Check memory or flash prices. Check any chip prices and you'll find they have skyrocketed, assuming you can buy them at all. Companies are subsidizing the true costs of AI because they can right now. That won't remain the case forever because at the end of they day they still ultimately have to make a profit. And you are right to point out the energy costs. This is something that is only going to get worse and it will impact you even if you aren't using AI because guess what - those data centers that are running agents need power and lots of it and one may be built in your area. Your electrical bill will go up in due course. I've read that a lot of the bigger companies involved have pledged to not allow this to happen, but unless it's codified in law, I don't trust them and their pledges. I use AI at work and it's an amazing tool, but even we are starting to feel its limits and pitfalls. But it's new and shiny so every company feels they have to jump onboard or be left behind. Not sure where it's all headed, but it feels like the dot com bubble all over again.

Colin

Ai can make images that look good, but will always be limited by its creators(shareholders), meaning art made by real artists will always be less limited. Plus ai storywriting is absolutely horrendous. People should feel free to make ai art for themselves, but posting it to get money or internet points is def where I draw the line. (Write good stories, draw art the shareholders don’t want their ai to make, be a human artist that puts human thoughts in their art and it’ll be easy to make better art than ai because ai is really bad at it)

David Dent

I have personally soured on AI use when it's in certain stances. Like that fellow VoreVender who used not only a similar style with AI but a friend's characters entirely. If that wasn't enough But worse of all is the LORA possessed by Zefiro-VoreAI which doesn't just bear passing resemblance but looks exactly like your style. That's why if Killbot wants to truly be my successor as head mod he should update the AI art agreement to have the following amendment: " *Even perfect generation or photo-bashed AI may NOT use a LORA or training batch that includes Karbo or other artists in the group who have opted out." From there make a journal so people can decide to pledge their art as scan free. Also probably don't tell Tays because he'll try to tell us all data is refined to it's 'pure state' or 'people can't own a style' something like that.

David Dent

So you ARE alive. Not just somebody hyping your old posts. Good to see you! I used to feel that way but I ask you to observe the LORA made by Zefiro-VoreAI which he then used to make a game that he put behind a PAYWALL. -.-;;;

Turboman500

Yes, I still function, and I will absolutely look into this. Right now actually.

Turboman500

Just a thought, this didn't occur to me when I made my original post, but I think its something creative overlook about AI. Well 2 things actually. Point 1being about how AI is trained. Everyone makes the argument that it is simply stealing other people's art to train itself. While in the most basic sense of the word this is true, this also applies to humans who are learning to draw. Generally whoever you learn from, or are inspired by, you will emulate. That's how we train ourselves on these things. Or are we just going to pretend like we don't notice stylistic similarities between artists? Whether it be in general character designs or compositional choices, most everyone on this planet is a derivative of a myriad of the people/ideas that inspired them. Seriously, just pick out 10 random manwhua, manga, or american comics from different places and you will notice this. Its not a bad thing, its just life. AI just does the same thing alot faster and at scale - which is 100% the scariest part. Point 2 is very simple, and applies to more than just artists. I don't follow ANY artist for how well they do things other than their niche work, character designs, individual styles, and plot elements. What this means is, I'd rather them spend time on THOSE things, than all of the mundane things that often delay a project. Things like small repetive background elements, redundant coding, various aspects of rendering, or even some backgrounds entirely. For solo artists in particular, since this is what we are talking about, I would not care for instance if Karbo did an entire vore tome or stand off comic, where most of the back ground elements and mundane bits were AI - because while I know he can do them (extremely well actually) that ain't what I'm reading a vore tome for, and I think most people, if being honest, would say the same. This would give him far more time to really work on the characters, the scenarios, and all the details that we actually care about when enjoying such content. Also, using the argument that it "steals" art to learn, by that logic, he could just train the one he's using on his own work to keep consistency in the backgrounds. In this sense, he's still done the work himself, it's just like he has an assistant cleaning up things in the background or inking things for him on the back ground so he can focus on the bits he really wants to. The net result is everyone gets what the want done and released faster. I'd still pay the same price for work like this, maybe even more because I know all the effort would go into things that make a vore tome from karbo so good, and I don't feel cheated because each time he does something, its always going to be an aggregate of ALL the work he's done. So this means when he draws one of those beautiful compositions that really shows off landscapes and new areas of his world, that next time he does a longer project, that same idea, can be incorporated without eating up the time to redraw it - so he could focus on whatever the project he's got in mind is.

David Dent

You shouldn't give up just because AI can print out things faster. It's like the industrial revolution. Yes textiles and prints became easier to access but look what came out of the artists who continued to make everything by hand. Dig in and don't give up!

YourDarlingPuppy

I've seen this too, and it infuriates me so... Karbo inspired me to get into the game of vore art and its just sad to see my art hero suffer that stuff. and that could be my fate as I'm still trying to grow as an artist...