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Digging Deeper #13: Schedule, I-LAND2, KCON & major health update (Patreon)

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  • Natural - Valley

  • Have A Good Summer - Valley

T/W: mention of some unaliving stuff from my dark period from online death threats around the 33 minute mark!

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Aine

(FYI, the final group's name is izna - so avoid any news surrounding them if you can, if you end up watching!) I'm the one who commented that I-land 2 being one of the worst survival shows I've ever seen (second to only RU Next for me), and I still stand by that. But I don't know, you may have a different reaction because you tend to be a bit less emotional and more analytical over Mnet's bullshit drama editing. I've seen over 2 dozen survival shows in my life, so I'm always amazed at how infuriating yet *addicting* MNet survivals are. What makes the show so bad for me, is how honestly *cruel* MNet is with some of the girls (like Yui - if you know you know) just for the sake of creating drama. And the sheer frustration from some of the contradictory/hypocritical comments by the judges towards the girls, and other issues. But yes, despite my #1 pick from my top 3 not making the group (and it was DEVASTATING to see), the lineup is still very good! I'm not a fan of the YG/TBL sound at all, but I have tentative hope for this group's future!

jenny

Sad to hear the jaw issue.. please take care of your health, it's really important, hope you stay healthy and try to find the way to live life happily. Both mental and physical, it takes time to heal and get better. Seems imo like a lot of problems, both mentally and physically were accumulated in your life. Yes, mental and physical health are heavy relationed. Hope you take a lot of care of yourself. Have fun at kcon, excited for August!

hibou

I think it'd be a lot of fun to have you watch/comment on Iland 2. Honestly, the contestants themselves are really worth it. The final lineup meshes really well together and imo it'd be nice for you to see the beginning of their journey . So I'd recommend watching it even if you're not reacting to it for us.

ari

Hey PD! Thank you for sharing. It’s very hard to be open about your difficulties but I admire your openness. Openness= healing. I’m glad to have stuck around and know that there are many ppl here that care about you🫶🏼🫶🏼 Also Yay! I’m so excited for what’s to come! I’m most excited for NCT LASTART. NCT Wish is the name of the new unit! I feel as tho it one of the most honest survival shows. There is no clear favoritism (in my opinion) and I also like that there isn’t fan voting because sometimes that can ruin a group. I really appreciate that they kept this a decision for those who were the judges and those who have experience! In my opinion this show is exactly what happens behind the scenes of any new group that debuts. It’s a competition and a selection process without outside influence.

WiseSmellyLegs

I initially wrote this comment before you started to speak about your health, so I place my words to that above that right here… Damn, I don’t have much to say to that, because I am not educated enough in things related to this... I am glad your doctor suggested a plan! #JaeHyukPD_Can_Do_It Also sorry to make that reference to “17 years old PD” under the different post, it was related to your words on Threads, now when you mentioned the car accident (when you were 17) I realized my comment might have seemed dumb… If I should rank 3 survival shows I have seen recently: 1) A2K (I am so hyped for L2K, Latin 2 Korea) 2) NCT Lastart 3) I-Land 2… I watched I-Land 2 just because it was in a collab with The Black Label, so I was curious for the producers’ point of views and feedback. + it was promoted as “the next group Teddy will produce”. But Teddy is not in the show at all and it is not like he would be giving any feedback and advice as in cases of JYP forming his groups for example. So later on I realized WakeOne/MNet just wanted to promote it as the group, which will be produced by the man, who is behind BLACKPINK and other big acts. + The Black Label thought it could serve as a good promotion for them, so the general public will start to view them as a label on their own and not as a YG’s subsidiary anymore (people still think they are under YG…). And at the end of the day it would be: “Okay, whatever…”, but the show is SO SCRIPTED… I can see MNet just giving them (LeeJung, Monika, TaeYang, 24 and VVN) what to say in each episode, so they sat there and did so and that is pretty much it. It is unclear if The Black Label will be involved in the group anyhow more from now on. People would say they will be co-managed by WakeOne and The Black Label, but based on the attitude from their side and based on the fact WakeOne wants it as their first pernament group, it feels like they might produce songs here and there or maybe their discography in general for a certain amount of time. + The Black Label does not mention them as their group at all.. (Although Somi as the story teller for the final episode said to the final members: “Welcome to The Black Label” 😅😅😅😅 I was like: “Girl, that is not the upcoming girl group from The Black Label 😬😬). Regarding the line up… Well… fans are satisfied, because they made fans like the ones, they wanted to debut, so they took care to give them enough screentime. I would not say the show is “the worst”, it is more like: “If you know how survival shows work and you can use your brain enough, you just simply figure early on what they are doing and that is it” The producers are not super mean, it is just… “it does not matter what they say, since it is scripted…” And as someone else mentioned here, yeah… a few eliminations and the way MNet made them go through that was awful. But well… it is MNet after all, not surpring that much. To be honest, the show is not great, but it is not like “what the fvck is this shit??”, people just make it feel like as if it was something that has never been done before… To be fair, I would recommend watching the show in a similar case as with NCT Lastart, which is: “If the group gets my interest, I might watch…” If you need a girl group content here, I highly recommend A2K! It is short to watch, so technically you can get to any other content after this really soon. + As you know… you and J.Y. Park share many thoughts and point of views (based on his feedback in LOUD). Regarding boygroup content/survival show. NCT Lastart is nice, I would like to rewatch that with you for sure, but I cannot help it and let you know that… Road to Kingdom 2 is coming and THE NEW SIX and YOUNITE (Lim Kyungmun’s group) are there!!

Sven Lenders

Hi PD, how sorry to hear that it may be irreversible to remove the pain, which is why I wonder if you would not do well to announce a temporary rest period with a clear announcement so that you can recover optimally. Those who want to continue to support you can then do so and others can choose to cancel their subscriptions. If there is a chance of it healing, it may not be worth the risk of overusing it. But it's still your choice. About I-Land 2 n/a (not sure why it's called that), the show per se is interesting and it is very similar to the first season of I-land, but there are some things you need to know. The format is different from what you're used to. Voting is now mainly done by judges and the influence of peer evaluation has been reduced. Eliminations are also much earlier than in the first season (which I think makes it unfair for people who could use just a little more time to get better). The jury is actually not a very good choice in my opinion. So you have Leejung and Monika from SWF, VVN and 24 as producers and Taeyang as additional judges, among others. To start with the SWF girls, in my opinion they expect a little too much from trainees of a K-POP group. They are obviously used to participating in a show with other good dancers and now have some trouble scaling that back to the trainees. 24 is actually a little disrespectful to some trainees in my opinion, he doesn't give constructive feedback but belittles some girls at times. If I'm honest, Taeyang is only there as a flex, he gives his opinion from time to time but nothing more really comes out either. Screentime is a huge issue, some girls you completely forget exist. The group is produced by Teddy of The black label, but they are finally under contract with WakeOne. To this day I still don't know how this works. Episode 7 is actually complete filler with additional footage from other episodes. (is 2 hours long though) This group could indeed become very good, but they need to come up with a clear plan and adopt an appropriate concept (we don't want to get Kep1er 2.0, at least for Shooting Star) About LASTART (what I took a quick look at) the show does look a bit like what you are used to from &TEAM's show Thing is, Sion and Yushi debut anyway, SM had already chosen them to debut in advance (kinda like the I-land boys during &TEAM's show) They suddenly add an extra trainee in the middle of the show because there are not enough good singers in the show. (Interpret for yourself how this sounds) The last episode is more variety than survival show My verdict at the end of the show is that it is not really worth it, especially a lot of praise for Yushi and Sion. The rest is IN THE SHOW in my opinion very mediocre compared to for example I-Land 2 or Boys Planet. From what I have seen of them outside the show they are very good, but at the time it was not really interesting. I'd rather recommend Make Mate 1 or NIZI Project 2 instead. Make Mate 1 is a Korean show with male trainees held between 2 teams that are constantly changing (Mate A and Mate B). There are no labels involved in the process (except CHROMOSOME by Lay for the Chinese trainees). The trainees are high quality or learning fast and it shows in the show Each round there are special judges (One of them is linked to the I-land project) I think this show would be on par with Boys Planet and LOUD (which are my favorite shows) Nizi-Project is a Japanese show that is essentially the same as LOUD, but with stones they have to earn in order to debut In addition to their skills, the show asks the trainees about their personal skills (as in LOUD) and passion and dedication to be allowed to debut. It's a bit like LASTART, but better executed in my opinion This is the concept that JYP now applies to all the groups. This show is easy to watch and is less than an hour long per episode. I think this is a good format for a show to measure skills as well as passion and dedication. Then you get the best idols in my opinion Other shows coming up: ID143 : My Favorite Debut: July Universe League: September (successor to LOUD and Universe Ticket) Road To Kingdom 2: September (successor Road To Kingdom, Queendom, Kingdom, ...) SCOOL: September Project 7: october Under 15 october (just for your information, applications between 3-15 years old) Hip-Hop School: 2024 If you want my opinion I would say it's best to go watch I-Land 2 anyway for the trainees, besides that I would recommend Make Mate 1 because it's a really good show. After that if you are looking for something else I would recommend watching Nizi Project 1 or 2 or A2K to get an idea of how JYP forms a group. For the near future I would definitely schedule RTK 2, the other shows I can't really comment on yet. But mostly choose what you yourself find interesting.

Alison Renaud

Thank you for this! I'm so sorry about your jaw and I hope it can be reversed and you can start healing. I've had a similar journey and I've gotten to a point where I'm also OK and after everything that's crazy to me! In a good way of course. But I'm finally OKAY. Of course there are still some things I really need to work on, but overall I've never been happier and I know that's because of kpop. Not just the music but all the incredible life changing experiences I've had the last few years!! Like finally getting to meet idols and going to fan meetings and fansigns like I did for Kingdom and MCND and getting to meet Oneus on the streets in NYC to seeing xdinary heroes...like never in my 15 years of being in kpop has anything like this happened to me before. Everyone in my life is getting married or having kids and here I am 37 like WHENS MY NEXT CONCERT?! I still have no idea what I'm doing with my life or what I want to do but I have a job and can pay my bills and buy food and go to concerts so I think I'm good 😅 Anyways I hope you continue to heal and enjoy life and music and all the amazing artists in kpop!

stylesniklaus

hello PD! i'm so sorry you have to suffer like that because of your jaw... I was wondering if you were planning on reacting to some kep1er, i know there is a lot of group you enjoy, but a lot of kpop stans are straight up ignoring kepi... It would be so cool if you could react to Kep1er's final concert in Japan as a nine members group, it's available here!! https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P46BdAWbUAK-IUN1JAadwZGerF3hiNv5/view?usp=sharing

Kim Chaewon

i think for iland 2, this was a very rare time after watching survival shows for 6+ years now, ive been very satisfied with a final lineup. i also think the original songs that were produced on the show were in similar styles which hopefully is a trial for their sound as a group (every original song on the show was amazing and even the songs that were given out to cover) special gem for you PD - there were a few izone songs which was very surprising since they're usually quite rare on survivals shows

Wiktor

I think ILAND2… made an amazing lineup! Iland2. Joins ZB1, X1, CLASSY, IZONE and Enhyphen as TOP TIER survival show lineups. And I’ve seen them all REAL time every week. It is ME approved. 😛 I recommend. Defo better than RUNEXT.

Taj carter

NCT LASTART and I-LAND 2 are must watches, I personally wouldn't bother with R U NEXT unless you back story for I-LAND 2, all I'll say. R U NEXT might be the worst survival I've ever seen and it's worse bc it's a HYBE survival show. HYBE and CJ ENM had a falling out that's why R U NEXT is called what it is and not I-LAND 2. But I-LAND 2 was way better imo, and the lineup is great!

Aine
>>144712178

Just because something has happened before (MNet being awful) doesn't mean it shouldn't still be called out. Yes, I still ended up getting sucked into watching so maybe I'm part of the problem - but after watching many many MNet survivals over the years, I will still say this is one of the worst in terms of blatant MNet fuckery. But if you're the type to be more interested in the show concept and structure, the judges, etc - over the actual individual trainees, then maybe that's why it doesn't affect you as badly. I watch survivals to support the trainees first and foremost, these kids with big hopes and dreams. The show is the obstacle they have to overcome.

Aine
>>144712178

Anyways, I would agree on A2K (and the Nizi Project series) being some of the best survival shows. I also quite enjoyed the recent Produce Japan girl season, which was also low drama surprisingly.

WiseSmellyLegs
>>144712178

I see your point. I was trying to balance the “hype” PD got from people saying “it is the worst”, because the outcome of these moments is simply the sad reality that it will make other people watch it just from the curiosity and then they will most likely admit: “Yeah, the show was not good as they said”, therefore those people just wasted their time to technically “support” MNet/these shows to continue in the future. And since PD cannot react to everything and survial shows are truly time consuming, I suggested something else, which deserves the time and support more. + as I said I wanted to make it clear it is not bad in the way like some movies are bad that you can actually enjoy the bad vibe of it, but it is simple not good, but you will not enjoy that it is not good… (I hope that makes sense. I wanted to say I-Land 2 is not bad in the way like Sharknado movies are…). Then… I fully understand your reason why you watch survival shows, but to be fair… in most of the cases (in the MNet cases) it aspect of “they make you like the ones they want to debut” plays a BIG role, therefore it is hard to focus get to know other contestants to be able to appreciate their skills too. And because of that I also focus on the part of how the show is made/structured and who is in the charge there. Because what is the point of having any judges/producers if they are told what to say, which may lead to making the contestants confused from inconsistent feedback, therefore they cannot learn from that anything and it all just ends up being a show in which we can watch which contestants MNet likes.

WiseSmellyLegs
>>144691718

I agree. Maybe in the episode of forming the final line up I felt like SM just needed to debut the ones they wanted, although it did not match the usual ranking some of those contestants would usually get, but still better than involving fan voting, that is for sure!

WiseSmellyLegs
>>144718327

Isn’t your description of NCT Lastart spoling a bit the show too much? Regarding the one member…

ac0rn

definitely recommend iland2 + both seasons of nizi project for you pd. all good watches

hh.w

Sorry to hear about your jaw, I hope everything goes well going forward. On the topic of I-land 2 I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts as I think they really improve on the set up of the show and it's missions from the first season and also though not everyone I wanted to make it did, the show has an amazing line up. Wishing you the best!

Christina M Villa
>>144770919

This was such a great program. I really loved how we got a glimpse into how SM works with it's trainees and seeing current idols help them out and evaluate them.

Christina M Villa

Honestly, I do not watch elimination programs like Iland or Girls Planet, etc. as I find they create too much invented drama and we can see who they are pushing for the top. I basically don't like emotional manipulation, especially of young people chasing their dream. I tried Lastart just because I liked the judges and I actually liked it. I think mainly because it was more helpful advice given by the mentors and the judges. It may be that since it is an internal SM group, everyone was really invested in making sure the right people debuted and that the current idols actually cared about the trainees as they would be their co-workers and maybe perform with them in the future. Which happened as Wish collaborated with Super Junior at SM Town. It also has the bonus of not being fan vated, which I dislike as most fans don't actually vote for the talent displayed, but who they stan.

Mac

Hi PD, I'm sorry to hear about your jaw. I hope you'll be able to reverse the disease. Please don't watch I-land 2. It's really not worth it. The final lineup is decent, but it was the kind of show where it was obvious who'd be in the finals from the first episode. If you're looking for a girl group survival show, I'd recommend Girls on Fire instead. It's a survival show specifically geared towards people who are great vocalists. Young-K from Day6 and Eunji from Apink are two of the judges. There's a cover of Gods by New Jeans on that show, and it was pretty incredible and unique. I don't think I've ever seen anything like that in kpop before.