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Wow it's official: NewJeans is leaving ADOR/HYBE (Patreon)

Published:
2024-11-28 22:14:33
Imported:
2026-06

Content

I highly encourage everyone read the NJ members' official press release on their own time.

Whether you are or aren't a fan of NewJeans this is an extremely pivotal moment in K-Pop history and how this plays out has potential of either keeping status quo or massive ramifications and progress for the industry.

Curious to hear your thoughts on the matter and I'll talk about this further in depth on my next Fan Attic podcast.

Comments

Nikkolasa

Idk what’s going on? ADOR say they can’t leave due to the contract but NJ is saying they don’t have to pay anything but they are breaking the contract they still have to pay it’s like a lease, no? Idc myself if they leave or stay I just want the drama to be over 💀

Form of Therapy
>>156709623

Might even turn into a legal battle to break the contracts. I'm curious to hear specifics on the mistreatment allegations and ADOR's inability to protect NJ (and from what).

ari

I just hope whatever the outcome is that the girl don’t receive more hate, and hurt then they already have🙏🏻🙏🏻

Iman

i’m just proud of the girls for standing their ground and not making what many thought was an empty threat. i agree with you on how this is going to be a very try pivotal moment in kpop, they’re showing that their company can’t get away with not protecting them and that the company needs the artist not the other way around

Iman
>>156709623

these are the specific demands the girls made to ador - A. As NewJeans' management company, please take all necessary measures regarding HYBE's decision that "We can just discard 'New' and set another game." B. Please address the issue regarding the manager from another label who told Hanni to "ignore her," as ADOR has taken no action and has neglected this problem. C. We urge ADOR to take action regarding HYBE PR(Director Cho Seong-hun)'s disparagement of NewJeans' achievements. D. Please rectify the unauthorized release of photos and videos from NewJeans' trainee period through media outlets, which still have not been removed. E. Please resolve the situation where NewJeans' achievements have been relatively undervalued due to 'Album Pushing.' F. Please immediately resolve the unnecessary dispute with Dolphiners Director Shin Woo-seok and the resulting issue of NewJeans' existing works being removed.

Upshot

I was only a casual listener before all this started, but I‘m really impressed by their bravery and will certainly support them going forward. I hope everything goes well for them and they‘ll set a precedent that other idols can follow should they need to

Ana

This could be good for the artists or it can backfire in a way that makes companies change the way they write the contracts to make them even more strict than they already are. It's a fine line NJ are walking tbh, but i think it's the best time to begin this fight, bc hybe is fighting a scandal of its own and anything they put out won't be easily accepted by the public, so luck is on NJ's side right now. Don't know for how long tho.

aurora

The press release is interesting? Tho hybe says they haven’t filed to suspend the contract so I’m confused as to why nj are saying they’re leaving but like not filing ? And hybe isn’t either so it leaves it at a standstill until someone does ? Nj stuff makes me sad bc they’re so young and I don’t doubt hybe/ador have been :/ through all this but mh hasn’t exactly done them any favours either through it I hope they get what they want but I don’t see it going any other way than them having to pay

Pascal

I can't see a way where they come out of this as the "winner".

Y

I think that the girls are young and whoever was advising them did so poorly. It put them in a position where they were publicly speaking on things I don't think they understood fully as newer artist in the industry and now I fear their careers may be over. The initial issue was never about the company mistreating them or anything, it sort of descended into that after the fact. this all circles around MHJ and some sort of misplaced loyalty they have to her. in the end Hybe and their artists will be fine while NJ struggle

🌷

Personally I'm not the biggest fan of mhj and I don't listen to the group. But I hope they have a solid support system and they fully understand what they will be going through, so they can release music on their own terms like they said. I feel proud of them doing what they feel is the right choice and I hope, again, they can do what they really want. I have seen fights about this but really a big factor of their success was the agency they debuted under, because a lot of groups under new/less known agencies that are also talented and release great music won't have a platform like ador/hybe that will help them, with or without teasers, it was a success because of that. Of course they have talent otherwise the hype would have died, and I'm sure if hybe let them go without any sort of bann they will continue their success

Vish
>>156710475

I can understand which artist you stan from your comment. The fight was never about MHJ , but go on I guess

Kawwee

Lee Hyun Gon, a lawyer, posted some really interesting comments. He explains why this press conference was a genius move. Just search for it.

olxx
>>156710475

It’s an opinion, no need to have passive aggressive responses

inthewhale
>>156709623

Just from what I have read, due to the nature of the NewJeans members’ original contracts they are given the right to request a 14-day grace period for ADOR to take corrective action on any wrong-doings (which they did), and if those needs were not met, then the members had the right to terminate/cancel their contracts without having to pay legal fees. It is a very humanized contract, and basically gives the members an easier way out. Currently the only thing that HYBE/Ador can really do is file a lawsuit that can declare the termination invalid, and then go from there. (I am going off info I have read, there could be some mistakes in there but I think I got the general gist of it)

Ellwoodzz
>>156710444

Maybe in a world where they're not shelved in ador for the rest of the 5 years? Instead be free and able to release music and doing what they love?

Kona

It's so hard because all the facts haven't come out yet but adults have failed this group largely MHJ dragging NJs into her dispute with HYBE was wrong and manipulation at its finest but HYBE hasn't done itself any favors in the way they responded to the issue. But I do think it's concerning how much NJs feels they need MHJ to have a successful career. I also do have more faith in HYBE new CEO who has been the Head of the T&D department for BigHit since BTS were trainees so she should be a good connector to the idols under HYBE. This situation will likely last another 2-5 years as MHJ has so many lawsuits against her and HYBE doesn't need the revenue because of groups like TXT SVT BTS and others. if they really only want MHJ then their hiatus might last a long time, Adors response was interesting if they have tried to sit down and work things out beyond the MHJ reinstation ( because that's a wild demand ) and they haven't responded that's on them and their lack of guidance at least take the meeting to see their points but to ignore a company that has you under contract for 4-5 more years is kinda crazy. Ador also seem kinda unbothered because they know the ins and outs of the contract which I do find kinda funny objectively. I think a likely compromise will be made of Newjeans doesn't have to pay the crazy termination fees but they won't get their group name and will obviously have a non compete clause also but genuinely who the hell knows

Y
>>156710475

I don't stan any Kpop artist. I'm sharing an opinion. but please don't let that stop you from being offended

Kona
>>156710344

The likely ending is a compromise. I think NJs not taking any meeting with executives to work out issues is a bad look in terms of how the courts will decide. MHJ has her own court hearing for a lot of stuff which could genuinely take years but aside from that NJs will likely compromise and will not have to pay the fee for termination ( given they don't got that kinda money ) but will not get to keep their Group Name will have the non compete clause with MHJ or Big Companies. IDK tho this ain't close to being over I think HYBE is genuinely just thinking can this next 7 months hurry up so BTS can comeback 😅

JJ

I have such conflicting thoughts and feelings on this matter because I really like the girls (& their music) and I just want the best for them and if leaving the company is that for them, that is what I want for them (at this point I don't see a way for them to stay with adorable/hybe and it still feel authentic and genuine either) but I also think they have been emotionally manipulated by MHJ for years at least to some extend it seems pretty clear to me that MHJ is... I don't really know how to word this without sounding offensive or insensitive... struggling? If you listen to her press conference/interviews/statements/whatnot, she rambles on about so many random things and victimises herself to such a degree, and for an adult to drag so many innocent people into this whole mess as well.. I don't know, it just doesn't sit right with me for me it seems like most adults in power in this situation were "the evil" and that includes both hybe and MHJ, which unfortunately, the njs members don't seem to see as of right now

Kona
>>156710314

So is MHJ tho and I think if she is found guilty NJs will be looked at differently given how much they backed her up all I know is this thing ain't ending any time soon I wouldn't be shocked if this doesn't get resolved in the next Two years

Galice
>>156710344

They'll most likely go with the "not showing up for work" plan so ADOR/HYBE files for a lawsuit for breach of contract and then the contract can be terminated as NewJeans don't really have any solid grounds for termination. They keep saying they have more information as to how they've been mistreated but the only thing they've been mentioning for weeks is only the alleged "Ignore her/Ignore it and pass" comment from Illit's Manager and is the same complaint Hanni brought up during the National Assembly that's all they seem to have. For how public and loud they, MHJ and their parents have been to even posting obvious messages on Phoning App and as well responding to a user who had a username who made fun of the new ADOR CEO... They keep demanding for HYBE to reinstate MHJ when by law they are unable to do that as MHJ has broken many laws and everyone in their sane minds would not even think of reinstating her. At the end I think the girls are digging their own grave and now they should lay on it. Was a big supporter but watching them, their parents and MHJ continuously put other groups and employees (Employee B, victim of SA for example) on the spot and sending full on hate trains and unnecessary stress has distanced me from them for good. Watching Hanna go to the National Assembly, making fun of the new ADOR CEO, taking selfies in middle of the session with other politicians and cry about how an employee from another label "asked the group to ignore her"... while it might be disrespectful, at most the the session was meant to talk about actual cases of mistreatment and abuse that other groups have suffered and have evidence like Omega X, LOONA and more recently MADEIN. The girls pretend to leave the company, with no solid reason or actual grounds for terminating a contract while keeping their IP and deals while not having to pay a single dime??? Is crazy and completely delusional.

Chris S
>>156710475

This whole mess started with Hybe auditing Ador over alleged illegal activities by MHJ, and then MHJ dragged it all out in the open with her insane, rambling press conference. It was always about Hybe vs MHJ. The girls only inserted themselves into it later when MHJ got removed from Ador because they refuse to work with anyone but her, and they bring her up every chance they get. How was it never about MHJ, lmao

Doedside

I've seen online that apparently their contract with Ador stated that if they (Ador) fail to take nesesery measures to eliminate obstructions that disrupts NJ activities the girls have right to terminate their contracts. Idk if it's true but if it is the og Ador team had to really care about them and be certain that they'd never fail them

JJ
>>156712169

I also have complex feelings on the whole company-bullying / Hanni at the national assembly thing - while I do think it is great that this case has brought the issue of protecting artist to a broader public, I kind of struggle with the fact that THIS is what did it? like there were so many SA cases (have a pretty extreme one going on with gaeun and madein and their fuckass CEO), extreme mistreatment and abuse for YEARS that have all been swept under the rug mostly (of course the loona situation was one of the few exception, thankfully), and then this situation, which of course should be taken seriously but is more so about lack of proper promotion and feeling/being ignored. I am not saying they weren't mistreated, it seems very obvious that they have struggled at hybe over the last few months, and I am of course grateful and hopeful that this will start a bigger change in the industry at large, I just wish it had come sooner too if that makes sense...

Niclas K-Pop

You see, the problem is that while they themselves said they are terminating their contract and NOT paying fees, this is not certain for now. Unless HYBE releases them themselves, they WILL have to pay fees if they file for termination UNLESS the court decides in NewJeans' favor. This is going to be MONTHS of many more court dates, unless HYBE grants NewJeans their release, which I doubt will happen. At the end of the day, I hope HYBE and MHJ will get their respective punishments.

JJ
>>156711538

just for clarification/context: shin seon jeong is the new ceo of big hit, not of hybe!

Madi

Feel like they had the public press conference before even talking to Ador about termination (as Ador’s statement said) to get the public on their side and to put pressure on Ador to just release them from the contracts without any consequences or repercussions

Artist37

Do NOT take the press release as fact. Even the press asked about the legality of the unilateral termination and the girls/their representative couldnt give an answer. You cannot break a contract just because you feel like it. The press con even took ADOR by surprise so that tells me NJ's side isnt acting in good faith. Theyre trying to force ADOR's hand because they know they dont have a case (for the mistreatment claims) if it goes to court. If NJ files lawsuit first the burden of proof is on them. Be patient and let this play out for a day or 2 until we have more answers.

Artist37
>>156712568

The thing is, MHJ and NJ are the obstructions disrupting their own activities. Typically dont like to side with the company, but Ive definitely seen HYBE/ADOR try to reconcile more than NJ who just keeps making unreasonable demands. Outside of reinstating her CEO position, they gave MHJ so many chances to come back for the girls' sake, but she ended up abandoning the girls. Also notice all the luxury brand deals, event invites, concerts/awards shows that NJ were still doing. If that is indeed a clause in their contract, and I think its being taken out of context in that case, it will not hold up since the girls have not acted in good faith, have ambushed ADOR/HYBE twice now with livestream/press con which itself its probably a violation of contract and/or a breach of trust at the least. Things do not look good for the girls right now.

Artist37
>>156712169

I mentioned this on reddit. MHJ is definitely in panic mode. Ive seen this behavior before. And her ego has taken a massive hit. Shes probably about to do/say something dumb thats going bring it all crashing down around her. And it sucks cause NJ will be and has been collateral damage this entire time.

Doedside
>>156712568

The "chances" that Hybe gave Mhj would benefit only them while being disadvantageous for Mhj and NJ. Those were clearly made with the intention of making Mhj look bad because no one in their right mind would sign those. As for the disrupting their activities, because of Hybe their 1st full album, special singles and world tour got cancelled which in my opinion is more damaging to the groups image and position in the industry than cancelation of brand deals or events. But even if we won't include that, the way Hybe as a whole treated them (including disrespecting and bullying the members) seems to me as enough of a reason to terminate the contract. Anyway, I'm sure we don't know most of the things that are going on behind the scenes and I'm also certain that the girls have professional advisors and wouldn't take such drastic measures if there wasn't a strong chance for them to win

Artist37

Im sorry, I dont see this as them 'standing up' but more that theyve been acting based on manipulation. They dont know what theyre doing, the 'adults' around them are a bad influence, and honestly theyre just being immature. There is nothing brave about what theyre doing. Now dont get me wrong they deserve the chance to follow their dreams/be successful, but this not the way. Of course I still put 90% of the blame on MHJ.

Doedside
>>156712568

Someone was posting fragments of the alleged contract on X, I don't remember the user unfortunately But as I said idk if it's true

Artist37
>>156710475

So...why was a key demand for MHJ to be reinstated as CEO if it was never about her...and this whole mess started because of her in the first place.

Brittney Danielle

I don’t hate New jeans (don’t even know any of their names 😅) I’m very indifferent to them as a group (they are quite young, so I tend to not invest in extremely young groups, it just personally feels strange to me) but I do enjoy a few of their songs and have them in my playlist. I will say that I loathe that they are backing MHJ, that woman is just vile…..

SNBangtan

I think you need to make sure you do your research before you start talking about this. I’m sitting over here wondering if you’ve been paid to be part of MHJ’s misinformation campaign that she’s been hawking since April… Look NJs can throw a hissy fit if they want but you can’t get out of a valid contract by simply saying “I quit.” That defeats the purpose of a contract. And as for their allegations, we all know that there’s not an idol agency in Korea that gives its artists more autonomy and artistic freedom than HYBE’s labels. Hybe is a business so of course they have a bottom line. But they’ve always acted legally, they’ve consistently pushed the whole industry to improve Artist welfare, and they have a crack legal team that knows what it’s doing. NJ’s followed the pied piper into oblivion and all they have left is their empty threats and embarrassing attempts at garnering public sympathy. I’m just hoping this was the final nail in their coffin and the harassment of other hybe artists by them, their fans, and MHJ can finally stop.

Artist37
>>156710444

Ellwoodzz, Ive seen a few of your comments now, you really dont understand how this industry works. They will not be 'FREE' if they leave ADOR. They will lose key funding/resources, they will lose HYBE influence that was getting them brand deals left and right. They will have to start over without their signature sound since they wont be able to produce anything similiar for 3 years. If MHJ tries to take them in she will have a tampering lawsuit waiting for her. Not to mention potential blacklisting (no they are not too big to be blacklisted before you say that.) They will be wrapped up in court for at least a year and most investors will be scared to back them out of fear of backlash. New Jeans as we know it cant exist anywhere outside of HYBE and be profitable. They are an expensive group to produce and were just barely profitable for HYBE. The clear losers in this battle is and always has been New Jeans, most fans just dont want to admit it. MHJ was fine throwing anyone and everyone under the bus if it meant she got her way, and NJ was collateral damage as well. If they would cooperate with ADOR they wouldnt be dungeoned. It makes no sense from a business perpspective to dungeon them for the remainder of their contracts or for any amount of time. 1 it would just look bad for ADOR/HYBE to do that and 2 its a win-win for both parties if NJ can be active. Respectfully, please do some more research.

Liv

I think it’s hard to get a grasp on the situation because we are already dealing with translations regarding legal documents where wording is everything, and there’s so much to keep up with, as well as me not being a legal expert!! And this is a difficult territory where yes there’s what company and contracted artist are legally bound to BUT !! Ethics, humanity is meant to bend law, sometimes contracts are unfair and immoral—human treatment must be taken into consideration, these are people first, not objects. I can’t say whether I know of this is the “right legal move” or “better for their career” I just want their mental and emotional health to be taken care of, if they believe this will get them that then we will just have to wait and hope for the best, no one but NewJeans knows their own lives, regardless of what happens it feels odd for me to pass judgment as if there was a sure-fire 100% best way to handle things bc we ultimately don’t know as we’re in the thick of it. We might only have true perspective 5 years from now. All I know is that artist protections and rights still have a long way to go, if this is hard to understand READ SEUNGKWANS LETTER, idk how better to articulate that these are PEOPLE not products

Artist37
>>156712568

No, I hate to keep defending them, but HYBE was being generous. Why would you reward someone who attempted an internal takeover. HYBE may have acted too early, but it is fact that MHJ was scheming something. They attempted to compromise still but MHJ couldnt accept because it was a hit to her ego. It wasnt to make her OR NJ look bad. If MHJ really cared about the girls like she said, she would have taken the deal and not abandoned them.

~}{~

i want to address something else since people in the replies and in general since his whole thing started have tried to turn this around on the girls and them being groomed by mhj to the point they can’t think for themselves or don’t know what they’re doing, and im not saying mhj is a good person or blameless but these girls are not stupid or evil like people make them out to be Here’s my thoughts: i think what people dont understand is that the newjeans situation isnt just them feeling like they cant make it without mhj its that they are literally stuck WITH HYBE alone if shes not between the two bc all her bullshit aside she has factually fought for those girls not to be scrapped as a group gave them breaks to see family constantly helped with the relationship newjeans have with people out of ador etc etc. hybe did not want them to debut. they leaked videos of them without consent. thats who theyre stuck with ador undergoing a complete makeover they cant just go and find somebody better than Her they are stuck with people who they have already said multiple times mistreated them in the past from the shit dorms to the weird planned concept to bang pd being bitter about not being the mind behind them and people love to point fingers at them caring about her and writing grooming fanfiction disguised as concern when nobody says shit when hybe idols or jyp idols are thanking jay park or bang pd etc. who are open predators these girls know what is gonna happen to the group if they stay stuck with that man bc they have Been There. i do believe theyve been failed in multiple directions and she also needs to be dealt with for certain things but maybe everybody who pretends to care about these girls should for once listen to them too instead of defending HYBE of all things bc some people just sound ridiculous. every 5 days people cry about how hybe is ruining kpop and mistreats idols but when it comes to newjeans suddenly they’re not poor kids anymore but evil manipulators following their cartoon villian leader who hybe surely is going after for very righteous reasons and not bc of hurt egos and money and yes misogyny too

~}{~
>>156716797

also its the way newjeans clearly have tried going along with the new team and wanted to make things work and just straight up were not listened to when they felt mistreated for weeks and months but people are talking about Omg cant they just work with someone else

aurora
>>156710344

Yeah I rly wish this kind of public interest was given to madein rn it’s horrendous

~}{~
>>156716797

and ill say theres a reason why a lot of (older and younger) women in korean entertainment love newjeans and keep showing support to them especially in these last few months too. but people keep figuring out reasons for why the side HYBE ENTERTAINMENT is on is somehow morally correct

orbit wavs

Jaden Jeong have the funniest move to make

Artist37
>>156709623

PD, you should know there are currently 15 megathreads, about to be 16, on the r/kpop subreddit. Think have links to the various articles throughout this whole mess. The main claims seem to be that because HYBE legally and rightfully fired MHJ as CEO the girls took it personally and see it as obstruction. Its a mess but NJ have clearly been manipulated. The other claims of mistreatment vary, but I know theyve used the claim that Bang PD ignored them/didnt not greet them as an example. Hanni claims mistreatment from BELIFT staff, apparently telling their groups to ignore her/NJ. You should definitely browse the megathreads, especially some of the newer ones as they deal with more of the legal disputes. This is 100% going to result in legal battle, its just a matter of who starts it. NJ side obviosly dont have a case or they wouldnt stoop to surprise press cons to try and force ADOR's hand. I dont want to try to sway you too much until youve read up on things more, but this is not one of those cases where its clearly Company = Bad guy. Not saying they are completely innocent, but this all started because of Min Heejin scheming an internal takeover.

Ellwoodzz

I see we have the reddit lawyers in full force today, you guys know more about the girls contracts than the top law firm in korea? 😭

Artist37
>>156716797

Ive not seen NJ make an effort to 'get along' with the new team. Theyve belittled the new CEO and made her cry. If you were trying to get along and compromise, you wouldnt send in an ultimatum threatening contract termination. And to be fair, Ive not seen many people say the girls are evil, but its undeniable that they are being manipulated by their parents and MHJ, and i dont think MHJ is a good person at all. NJ are the victims because MHJ is okay throwing anyone and everyone under the bus. Also, not saying NJ are stupid, but theyre definitely not being smart either.

Artist37
>>156718201

And based on other comments, you dont understand how things work either. The girls dont even seem to understand their contracts. When asked at the press con about the legality of their unilateral termination, NJ/their representatives wouldnt answer, essentially saying well get back to you on that at a later date.. There have been conflciting reports on how their contract termination would play out as well, so nobody really knows for sure how this plays out. But you dont just get to claim termination because you feel like it without consequences. Maybe this apparent clause does let them terminate unilaterally, in which case it was a poorly structured contract, either way there will still be consequences.

Damian

I'll be honest, I know very little about the entire ordeal. Kpop companies have mistreated artists for a long time while they are essentially "trapped" into these contracts. What NJs is doing is very brave and it is unfortunate that they've been put into this situation. So what I DO know is that I side with the artist (NJs) and not the massive corporation Hybe or ADOR or MHJ.

Ellwoodzz
>>156718201

No the PR representative said “They can’t disclose the contract information right now” Please read the right translation and dont use Sniper and Jjinjins (whatever his name is) as sources. You gotta be so blind to think they don’t have the best lawyers possible for this.

Ellwoodzz
>>156718201

+ part of the contract has been disclosed and it showed that newjeans can terminate it if they feel that ador has breached and violated the contract AND Hybe/ador can file an injunction AFTER if they think they didn’t breach. This was only possible because of MHJ anti-slavery contract she offered them.

~}{~
>>156716797

The girls said they were willing to trust their new ceo but they expressed their concerns only to be ignored by her and theres no indication that they belittled her that we know of publicly, what the girls stated they found weird was her crying, after they expressed they felt ignored later when they went to meet her. they felt she was crying to make them feel guilty because she still refused to even acknowledge their concerns. hanni said they wanted to give her a chance but she doesnt show any will towards caring for them and it was after all this, hybe’s actions and the weird treatment from employees that they decided theyll give an ultimatum or terminate like im sorry, but i believe the girls again I dont believe mhj is a good person either as ive stated but that the girls prefer her to hybe and the new ceo for a reason and No they arent stupid they are thinking for themselves and they know why theyre going through all this trouble when itd be easier just to stay in ador

Chad Williams

thank god i have hated hybe and how they have changed away from the music to pure narcissism and money making without addressing any artist issues from seventeen to fromis to txt now newjeans and newjeans have the guts to actually stand up to them even if it means losing the newjeans name and hybe payola im proud of them im so happy theyre out of that company and hope hybe just cuts ties instead of dragging this out cuz lets be honest its gonna look way worse for hybe to drag this out in court when all the idols and fans globally who arent bts fans are supporting newjeans actresses to idols to athletes are all supporting newjeans while toxic bts fans arent cuz they suck hybe off if u cant see how bang pd is a piece of crap who is too busy sleeping around with bj models to run his business than look no further than how newjeans think of him as well as other hybe idols they dont respect his fat ass its prob gonna be a long journey but i hope for the best cuz idols need to be treated with more respect just cuz u pay them money doesent mean u can treat them like slaves workers have rights and if those rights are broken newjeans can leave and well its clear to me they broke them im no legal expert but i have faith this will work out in the long run cuz heck even 10 years ago the companies were way worse then now its just hybe is the biggest company in kpop history with the biggest idol group in history supporting them and bts are being cowards sorry not sorry but its true if bts is really this great group that demands respect stand up for ur juniors and call out the mob boss who gave u a chance in the first place. not showing them support like other idols outside hybe like aespa kiof bpink etc is pathetic i wish jennie could sign them under her label but they prob wont sign with anyone for a while even though they said they plan to be active next year i dont know i think hybe is gonna drag this out to ruin them cuz their feelings got hurt but whatever happens im happy even if theyre legally not on the right side of things contract wise that theyre standing up for themselves cuz they were young innocent minors especially hyein when they made that contract and hybe and other companies have been taking advantage of minors for too long

Allo

wow, just woke up to this. very unfortunate situation, i won’t speak on it because theres plenty of comments here already and i haven’t thoroughly researched myself. will have to be very careful with info around this because there is a lot of conflict and bias involved.

~}{~
>>156721962

Jungkook has showed support for newjeans and i think that says a lot because just like newjeans he knows hybe better than anyone else in these comments.

Ashley

I think this will be a huge case for artist rights if NewJeans was actually fighting for something. From what I’ve seen this whole thing has just been MHJ throwing stuff at the wall to see if it sticks. I mean she is in the middle of multiple lawsuits right now. I feel like NewJeans attachment to her is the pitfall here. They see her as their limb of success. If it’s not her vision, and her producing, then they don’t feel like they can be successful, which is a problem within itself. Their attachment to her is what’s making things so hard for them. The thing is they actually have no grounds for terminating their contract without paying. And I think they’re trying to make something out of nothing so they don’t have to pay to get out of their contract, but nothing is sticking. Need we remind everyone this whole thing started because of corporate espionage. Like let’s not forget HYBE finding evidence that MHJ was trying to do a hostile takeover of Adore and possibly HYBE. Once things start hitting the fan for her, she started throwing everything in the kitchen around. And that’s how we led to hate campaigns for multiple groups, plagiarism allegations, chart manipulations, and NewJeans mistreatment allegations . All of this chaos was started, and orchestrated by her just to muddy the waters of the original case which was once again corporate espionage. Here’s the thing maybe there is information that we don’t know that could come out in court to support their cause or maybe this is all a big mess and MHJ is using NewJeans as her shield. Either way it goes they seriously need to detach themselves from her. She will be there downfall. She doesn’t have the money nor solid ground to stand on to support them. They could possibly go to another label, but as long as they’re attached to her, I don’t know anybody who would want that problem. If their parents truly cared about them, they would be advising them differently and they absolutely need different lawyers from MHJ. This is a case of mistreatment, but it’s not by HYBE.

Chad Williams
>>156721962

yeah i saw the jungkook one but i wish they all would cuz them and bpink are the kings and queens and trhey have power that their juniors dont to stand up to this trash industry

Renee Alvarado

I’ll just say this. I don’t support HYBE. As they have proved time and time again how they don’t care for their artists. Enhypen has been overworked, and exploited, in danger of stalkers, and much more, and HYBE had done nothing to protect them. So in that regard I’m NOT a hybe defender. HOWEVER, I think MHJ is no better. Her countless history dating back to her SM days, inappropriate actions towards minors, romanticizing p*dophilia with her aesthetics, causing hate trains on other young idols, is also unacceptable. So this puts me in a difficult position because while I wish the best for newjeans, their support and attatchment to mhj puts me and my values at a difficult position. I feel like if they just understood that they are better off without her, even if they still want to leave hybe, just know you do not need that lady for your success. That’s the hard part. They’re convinced they need her. When they don’t at all. She’s just been using them to gain sympathy. I really hope they realize this but I understand them being young and knowing her since they were even younger plays a factor into this.

WiseSmellyLegs

I don’t know if I have more to say than I have already said before. It is hard to say from our position if and how much NewJeans are manipulated. I mean… their parents are involved in it too and it just feels a bit weird that Min Hee Jin would be able to manipulate 10 adult people too, considering 5 of them being men (by that I mean the whole thing of how are women viewed in Asian countries compared to the Western world). Plus besides all of that… sure… this whole thing started because of HYBE making an unexpected audit to fire Min Hee Jin, because of leaks of chat conversation she had about wanting to take over ADOR (of what she was not found guilty by court after all). But because of this we found out there has been a bad blood between Min Hee Jin and HYBE Bang Si Hyuk FOR A WHILE and it is more than obvious Bang Si Hyuk does not like NewJeans, therefore if it was not because of this, it should have happened sooner or later for the better future of NewJeans. Because let’s be honest… NewJeans are big, but they are out of Bang Si Hyuk’s control + the aspect of him not liking Min Hee Jin makes it all feel like he wanted to replace them and to that we have to consider that it is not only Bang Si Hyuk, who does not like them, but there are “his people”, therefore Min Hee Jin trying to take care over them is fully understandable. So yeah… technically it all started because of the chat leaks of Min Hee Jin, but that was just the spark, which had way more things happening prior to that.

Brooklyn

IMO these girls have not ever had a single adult around them that has their best interests at heart. This is ESPECIALLY true for MHJ. The way they talk about her and the way she talks about them screams of a toxic relationship. I am glad NJ’s is speaking up for themselves against HYBE who we all know is absolutely a predatory company that has eaten up every small company they can in order to squash their competition and gain as much dominance in the market as possible, and that they actively use their groups as pawns in that plan (including killing groups outright like GFRIEND and overworking others like Enhypen and SVT). I do think whatever comes out of this from an idol rights perspective will ultimately be good overall. But I cannot ignore that NJ’s started this crusade in the first place because MHJ went on her hissy fit and NJ’s clung to her because of the gross relationship MHJ has (let’s be honest here) groomed them to have since they were as young as 12 years old. They are rashly throwing away their career to chase a woman who is just as crazy and predatory as any HYBE exec that exists. I wish that they were simply trying to become free agents but instead it seems they are are partly leaving to be with MHJ specifically. She does not have their best interests at heart and she is not fit to oversee a group that she has exploited and put in compromising positions (including giving them inappropriate concepts which has given them a wave of older male fans who 100% see them in a sexual way as a result) since they were young children. So while I am glad that NJ’s is taking a stance against HYBE’s predatory tactics, they really are running from one predator to another by chasing MHJ. It’s sad that such innocent, talented girls are caught in the middle of this mess and suffering the consequences of adults and an overall industry that exploits children for money.

Chad Williams
>>156721962

i know mhj is trash but if i have to choose between mhj to get them out of this shitty company i choose that weirdo any day cuz what hybe is doing mistreating them is wrong these girls arent her slave if they thought hybe was a good place for them they would have chosen sides like every other idol in history and kept their mouths shut and continued being slaves to their company but newheans stepped up and had courage to speak out against them and the fact u have all these other celebrities and athletes coming out supporti g newjeans not hybe says a lot i dont care about mhj i care for nwjs and if she helpos them escape im fine with that ill gladly use a demons help to escape the devil i dont care what she allegedly did i dont know what she did that was illegal to begin with but still i just know hybe leaking personal documents of nwjs should be illegal not promoting nwjs shopuld be a breach of contract stealing mhjs ideas for other groups should be illegal

maria

I think it’s great when artists can stand up for themselves. After all, they are people too and deserve to work in decent conditions. I’ve seen people say things like, “Well, other idols work under slave contracts and they manage. They endure.” But why should that even be the standard? Why should enduring terrible treatment be an example to follow? It would be amazing if NJ could set an example of how the industry could be changed for the better. However, I haven’t seen any concrete evidence that the label treated them poorly. Instead, they continue to support Min Hee-jin, whose reputation leaves much to be desired. She called the girls “fat,” referred to their fans as “stupid,” stirred up hate against other HYBE groups, had weird conversations with a shaman (seriously? 😭), and that’s not even mentioning her pedophilic tendencies. On the other hand, I feel sorry for them. They just don’t see the situation the way we do and grew up under the influence of someone who manipulated them from a young age. But I can’t imagine how hard it must be for the label’s other artists. They have to deal with hate trains because of Min Hee-jin’s actions and her deranged fans. It’s terrifying to think about how emotionally and mentally draining that must be. They might want to change something, but their choice to side with her makes me question their motives.

zae

everyone in the industry supports them and that says enough! they know more than we ever would. and i feel bad for the people in the comments that have not done enough of their own research to understand that newjeans are not just manipulated mhj puppets but are their own people and know what they are doing (THEIR FULL PRESSCON W ENG SUBS IS ON TIKKITOKKITV)

zae
>>156718201

let me guess your source is user @Jjinjins on twitter? because i advise for you to watch their press conference for yourself not once have they ever said they don’t understand their own contracts. just because their advisor states that they won’t disclose anything doesn’t mean they don’t know anything. i really hope yall don’t believe newjeans just got up there and said “i’m done” without genuinely knowing anything about their contract or how to terminate😭

zae
>>156716797

“belittled her and made her cry” is hilarious ngl

zae
>>156715998

this is embarrassing how demeaning yall are when it comes to newjeans and anyone that shows a slither of support towards them

zae

PD i hope that you yourself will take the time out and read everything from an unbiased and honest perspective especially one from a creator/artist pov. i hope they you’d refrain from using any words like grooming or manipulated whatever else ppl say about them. and i also hope that you get back to reacting to some of their stuff (idk if nobody here has suggested or if ur not reacting to them currently but their recording behinds and performances are amazing and i noticed u havent watched) (THEIR FULL PRESSCON W ENG SUBS IS ON TIKKITOKKITV)

cy

Right now we do not have enough information for me to fully form an opinion, as there's so many things left unaddressed. We still don't know what the girls allege Ador has done to be considered a breach of contract, why they are so attached to MHJ as their CEO, who's guiding this group of young girls and planning out their responses. In many cases where an artist terminates their contract, I have wholeheartedly supported them, but this whole situation is so strange. Why are the girls involved so heavily and so attached to their former CEO? I have no idea what's going on behind the scenes and it just looks like a shitshow from the outside. I dislike huge corporations and hybe's capitalistic nature but I can't find myself to be supportive of what NewJeans is doing when the all the adults guiding them seem to have their own selfish motives, including the ones who have played a part in their "depature". It's unfortunate that this situation has escalated to such an extent and the girls very much seem like pawns in a corporate world.

~}{~
>>156727052

this is what bothers me the most, people are acting like the girls are complete idiots and puppets for mhj despite them giving a multitude of reasons why they dont feel comfortable in hybe and with adors current team that has nothing to do with her and that people can’t grasp that their relationship with mhj is nuanced and that she’s done genuine good and protected them while also being a weirdo in her own right. like these girls pretty much got all their concerns entirely dropped by their new team. i dont like that lady but they keep reinstating shes the only one to ever take action when shit happened to them which i can confirm bc months ago ador (with mhj) was the only one to sue some incels over deepfakes etc when hybe is yet to do it for their groups and shit like that, they also talked about hybe leaking their medical records and videos where theyre all underage recently etc its just bad for them over at that company i really dont blame them for not seeing a different way out bc contractually there literally isnt one rn

~}{~
>>156721962

yeah the girls keep reinstating shes the only one to ever take action when shit happened to them and people still cant grasp that their relationship with her with is nuanced and why they prefer her over hype/adors current team and that doesnt mean shes great either but they do have minds of their own they arent her puppets that are doing all of this just because she told them to or bc its just what she wants

zae
>>156727052

they don’t even realize that the demands they made in the last month that ador failed to deliver had nothing to do with mhj but with newjeans as artists, and even their last ultimatum people only took the little snippet saying they want mhj back and not that they want their entire team and ador to be returned to how it was so they can just work in peace. even if i don’t like mhj it doesn’t take me loving her or liking her to realize that these girls don’t have anyone to take action for them to protect them from hybe she’s the only reason they were able to debut when hybe tried to shelve them the first time, and if not for her exposing things we would’ve never known their side of the story they would’ve disappeared into obscurity. they are not evil and they never wanted to leave in the first place they just wanted peace. hybe does not have their best interests at heart and i trust them, their parents, and some of the top lawyers to do what’s best for them, not angry fans from miles away. i don’t understand why no one can understand where they come from and just listen to the words that come from their mouths rather than incels on twitter or reddit. the amount of harassment and anger they’ve faced for putting themselves first is so saddening and i really hope if pd dives into this they do the right research🥲

zae
>>156724782

yes ! it is illogical that sooo many ppl are magically manipulated by mhj. maybe just maybe newjeans and og ador are in the right here. admitting that doesn’t absolve mhj of her actions nor erase any hate u may have for her! if everyone else in the industry/in korea/ irl can see it there’s a reason we can’t . and it’s simply the language barrier and power of misinformation

zae
>>156722942

their full presscon is on tikkitokkitv ! pls do watch it and hear from the girls!

~}{~
>>156727052

i don’t think ive seen pd speak on anything like this without giving it a lot of consideration and with the intent of trying to understand the artist’s perspective so im not worried but yeah the replies here arent too bad compared to the way people talk about them on twitter and social media literally calling these young girls bitches and mean girls and picking apart every interaction they’ve ever had with anyone those fans likes and getting thousands even hundreds of thousands likes in a couple cases its just all ridiculous at its core people acting so childish while accusing the girls of being the devils incarnate, and to defend hype who does not protect the artists they like either… i just hope people get some NUANCE back in their lives not just with this situation but people in general seem to be having a hard time grasping the concept of it with everything lately and i hope everything works out for the girls too bc they THEMSELVES are great

zae
>>156728005

they have what you would call a team of lawyers, attorneys, advisors, and parents! it’s such a common misconception that they’re doing this all for mhj when that isn’t true they stated they didn’t discuss neither this presscon or their last line with her before hand. and that they decided to stand up for themselves bc hybe is not taking care of them wether or not you believe them is on you, but they are not attached to their ceo nor doing this for her

Vish
>>156710475

The fight new jeans are having against Hybe has nthg to do with MHJ, you all see them as MHJ puppets. Ppl saying they are doing this on the misplaced loyalty on MHJ, they can think for their own and they think Hybe is a toxic place where they are not getting any respect, which is the truth,like I said go on I guess

Amity
>>156715998

Let's be serious. Let's not praise HYBE and criticize NJ before we have all information.

Amity
>>156715998

Why are they going this hard to defend and shed favorable light on HYBE?

zae
>>156727052

oh as someone that uses twitter ig and tiktok as their main social media platforms trust i’ve seen how bad it can get it just really hurts ur heart cause wow what did they do to deserve this yk? and no this chat isn’t nearly as bad i think it’s just the plain misinfo some people genuinely have (even if it’s no malice intended!) some people aren’t aware and i know that with so much misinfo spreading it can be hard to dig to the real source i am just scared pd would also unintentionally do the same🥲 but i do know that pd really likes the girls and their artistry and that makes me so greatful and happy i hope they can get back to reacting to their latest contents!

zae
>>156715998

i have no idea it’s insane to me honestly😭

emotionless bot

wow I didn't know there's so many hybe shooters here in the patreon masking as pity for girls and telling that ALL 5 (who've experienced it first hand) are solely doing this for MHJ when this is so much bigger than that and that they don't know what they're doing... AND THEY DO?... aight

PokieDokie24

and Loossemble ended their contract with CTD ENM 😭

Doedside
>>156712568

Internal takeover while having only 20% of the shares? I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense. There's not even anything that could back up those claims, only Hybes words. And again, why would she take a deal that would put her AND Nj in disadvantage?

Brisingr05

Some relevant articles in English: - Breaking: NewJeans Announces Departure From ADOR https://www.soompi.com/article/1706828wpp/breaking-newjeans-announces-departure-from-ador - ADOR Releases Statement In Response To NewJeans' Press Conference https://www.soompi.com/article/1706849wpp/ador-releases-statement-in-response-to-newjeans-press-conference - NewJeans Discloses ADOR's Response To Their Certification Of Contents https://www.soompi.com/article/1706991wpp/newjeans-discloses-adors-response-to-their-certification-of-contents - NewJeans Releases Official Statement Following Announcement Of Contract Termination With ADOR https://www.soompi.com/article/1707027wpp/newjeans-releases-official-statement-following-announcement-of-contract-termination-with-ador

Merrick

They should go to Lisa's label, I hope someone picks them up so that they don't have to do separate things, we need more new jeans and these girls deserve to keep pursuing their dreams, even if they are a little nieve and sometimes make choices without the experience of knowing the real consequences

angel

PLEASE TAKE TIME TO READ: I know there is a lot of stuff happening right now kpop wise, and I'm not sure if anyone has sent a message about it yet, but Gaeun from MADEIN/ LIMELIGHT has officially "left" MADEIN after coming forward about being sexually assaulted by the CEO of 143 ent. Please do your part in speaking up in support of her and help trend hashtags on twitter, as well as making sure to boycott madein so no money goes into the pocket of the company that silences victims. This pertains blocking all official accounts and not streaming any of their songs on whatever music platform you use. She is only 19 and I feel like this topic has not been talked about enough compared to other scandals or situations

angel
>>156741239

Please give this the same energy that was given to seunghan and newjeans, just because she is from a small company does not make this any less important.

Artist37
>>156712568

While She alone held 20%, her scheme involved finding other parties to buyout HYBE's shares until she had a majority stake. Its already been confirmed by the court this was her plan, but it ended up being something HYBE couldnt pursue on the legal side because 1. They caught it early before she did anything meaningful and 2. Her actions werent found to be in breach of duty to ADOR. You should not reward bad behavior yet even after removing her from her CEO position they reappointed her as a board director at ADOR and renewed her contracts as producer. Thats more than generous for someone who acted in bad faith/abused her power to force a takeover. Its her own fault she got put into this position/ 'disadvantage and the girls have been collateral damage as a result. There are 15 megathreads on r/kpop subreddit detailing everything. Go do some research.

h

i'm just going to be disappointed when after all of this, they still go running back into mhj's arms. none of the adults are right in the situation, especially her, & yet it's clear the nwjns members are too brainwashed & will continue to support the woman who is doing exactly what they're supposedly standing up against.

Maf

FROMIS IS LEAVING PLEDIS as well

Maf

Honestly I am so happy for them - they made a huge step and I think this is a crucial moment in Kpop industry. Being a TXT fan and sometimes feeling they are not treated in the right way (not by their close staff) - and you can see that they didn't mention even bighit on their mama speech - I hope they can go to a agency that can treat them better. I think this is why a lot of artists stablish thier own label now

Spoopyghost

Having been a long time enjoyer of K-pop, I don't see a world in which the NJ members get to keep their trademark and their existing advertiser relationships like the girls speak of. Thinking of what happened to the JYJ members after they left TVXQ - those guys were shadow-banned from the realms of Korean media for 10+ years due to networks being afraid of being blacklisted from other SM artists. Beyond the NJ trademark, the advertisers are ADOR's clients, and they can't just take ADOR's customers and change payment instructions - that would surely be protected by a non solicit or again result in a blacklist. I think the relationship between NJ and ADOR is obviously broken and probably irreparable, irregardless of whose fault it is, and the best path for the girls is to fight hard in a legal battle, provide evidence of what wrongs they've had to deal with, and then in a few years reconvene under a new name and a new label, WITHOUT MHJ, and release some great music, an rebuild their careers from there, when they'll still be plenty young. I have my own biases, but based on what NJ members have provided as reasons for contract termination so far, I don't think they are excused from having to pay the exit fine, but that will get sorted in court in due time. Entertainment is a tough industry, and you need thick skin. If the NJ members can tank the reality that MHJ called them fat and stupid, I'm not sure how they can prove in court that the elevator bowing and Weverse magazine comments are out of the ordinary.

Incheonguy

no they aren't. Just because they said it doesnt make it so. They can't break their contract that easily. They need the court to do it.

SNBangtan
>>156715998

Because HYBE hasn’t done anything wrong. It’s objectively the most ethical and artist-forward company in the idol industry. But the entirety of the kpoppie community sees HYBE as an extension of BTS and therefore has the most unreasonable and rabid hate boner for the company. It’s not about HYBE, it’s not about MHJ or NJSs, at the end of the day kpoppies will find any reason to believe and spread propaganda against HYBE bc they think it hurts BTS and thus somehow helps their fave. Like we’re so done entertaining that nonsense. How are you out here seeing what JYP, SM, and YG have done to artists for decades and yet painting HYBE as the villain when Bang PD and BTS are to thank for allowing idols to be human, protecting idols with lawsuits against haters, encouraging artistic development by its artists, eliminating trainee debt, and integrating mental health support into its idol curriculum?? It’s so obvious that the root of it all is jealousy that HYBE is the result of BTS’ success and legacy and they are bigger than your beloved Big 3 by themselves.

ghoulshima

PD did you see that Loossemble and fromis have terminated their contracts 😭

Beagoldfish
>>156755629

I know I’m not pd but WHAT?! Clearly I’m not keeping on my K-pop news. Not gonna lie loossemble really surprises me

Zilliaz
>>156736174

I want the best for the girls but I just can't see this ending well. but let's not pretend MHJ isn't a big part of it. Hybe obviously is mistreating nj but I just can't see them winning the court case and not having to pay the penalty but I hope im wrong

Lia

Nadia

my opinions on this is that it is a messy and complex situation. I am all for artists fighting for their rights against mistreatment, but I find it unfortunate how they are willing to go through all this for Min HeeJin, a woman who is not innocent in this and I believe does not have the best interests of the girls in mind. She has a history of having creepy fascinations about minors for 'aesthetics', has considered herself the 'mother' of NewJeans (which in my opinion is emotional manipulation towards the girls so they believe they can't survive without her) and has dragged innocent parties into this mess like Le Sserafim and Illit (a group who had just debuted when this started, therefore impacting their image). It seems to me that she wants the CEO position or nothing (after being removed as it was discovered by HYBE she was secretly planning on removing ADOR from HYBE). Min Heejin has been offered to remain as a creative director for NewJeans but because it's not CEO, this has dragged into the ongoing mess it is. Do I think NewJeans is brave for speaking up about this against a gigantic coorperation? Absolutely, and they deserve to have a voice and have autonomy over their decisions. Do I think this is all worth it for Min HeeJin? No. In the end, I don't think anyone is looking out for these young girls.

Ashley
>>156723179

Oh, one more thing to add to this, I want to say that I think Bang PD is a terrible businessman and he knows it which is why he wanted to step back and give his company to somebody else and let them run it. But he just had to hire MHJ before he did that and that was a terrible decision. If SM gave her the boot what would make you think she would be a good fit for your company?? She seems to have a knack for creating because what she did with NewJeans is very noteworthy but she’s a bit unhinged and a lot manipulative.

emotionless bot
>>156736174

no one is pretending what. MHJ is the catalyst that made NJ spoke up but A LOT of people are loosely throwing the words "groomed" and "brainwashed" here which is just disrespectful and insane. 4/5 of the girls are of legal age. they have experience with the industry particularly hybe, they have professional counsels with them rn as well BUT a specific fandom is particularly going around thinking MHJ brainwashed ALL 5 girls collectively WITH their parents AND family. And I agree, realistically, even if they win or not they will still definitely pay for damage either way. But they're willing to risk it all if that what it takes to get out of hybe

Sarah 세라
>>156718201

@Ellewoodzz What do you mean if they “feel” that ador has breached the contract? there is no such thing in law. They either did or they didn’t lol. and from the look of it, its looking worse for nj than it is for hybe/ador

Edward Lee

From a 100,000 ft view (not going to get into the MHJ of it all and the media play on both sides)...... at the end of the day, Korea and Korean Business is very PRO owner, and definitely NOT pro labor. I need international fans to understand this who might see corollaries in western music/entertainment companies, sports leagues, etc. All of those entities have incredibly strong unions that collectively bargain on the labor's behalf. In korea, these trainees/idols sign individual contracts with the companies. Also, I'm not talking about what SHOULD be the way to act or the decency people deserve, etc. This is purely a post about the legality of everything Collective bargaining and unions for workers just generally do not exist (well, they exist but have VERY little power like unions in the west do) So....the gist is, NJ are stating that HYBE didn't fulfill their end of the contract and thus are moving to terminate their contract and have listed various reasons. In my opinion, this is going to be VERY difficult for these girls to try and pull off and prove without really harsh penalties. These contracts are structured to benefit the side that PAYS the money and not the side that potentially can MAKE money. The list of grievances are also hard to prove but even if proven, aren't LEGAL means for the termination of a contract (mental health, different outsourced talent being removed, nebulous ideas of "protection"). These are all issues that can sway public opinion but hold little to no water in court. Let's not assume what we see in kdramas is how the courts work IRL. These contracts are pretty iron clad (especially a company like HYBE who has hired law firms like Paul Hastings LP. Really, in korea, the only thing that CAN break a contract is a misstep in money being exchanged/paid or actual physical/sexual abuse. The idea that ADOR treated them well but HYBE didn't will be hard to prove since HYBE owns 80% of ADOR and what HYBE has done with MHJ and the board are well within their legal rights. Lots of people are citing LOONA but that is a VERY different situation of not being paid/illegal payment setup to begin with/etc. I feel bad for these girls but I honestly don't see a rosy way out for them

Incheonguy
>>156762791

No they did not. Come on you can't really be reading things and coming to that conclusion. Their contact ends in December 2024, and they did not renew. That is NOT terminating their contact. That is fulfilling it and seeing it through to the end. These are NOT the same.

Incheonguy
>>156755629

They did not - FROMIS_9's contract is up in Dec 2024. They are just not renewing it. This is not the same as terminating it. They honored the full contract. It is the exact same situation with Loossemble, the contract was honored and has come to an end. NOT TERMINATED. Some KPOP fans are BADLY misinformed. You seem to be one of them.

Incheonguy
>>156736262

That wording is misleading. Loossemble did NOT end their contact with CTD ENM, the contract ended and expired. No renewal was done. They did NOT end it, it ended at the designated expiration date. People love to mislead and sensationalize everything. That is a toxic fan habit. I hope you work on that

Incheonguy
>>156727052

Because when people act out and do foolish things that is what people naturally and rightly will think. MHJ is destroying NJ on her way down, and making sure they have zero value to hybe. She is puppeteering their show and since she is out, she wants NJ ruined. They are too blind to see that.

Incheonguy
>>156715998

fifty fifty part 2. They should have watched that and their parents too as a blueprint of what not to do. Those girls lost their efforts against a TINY broke company. HYBE is NOT THE SAME. NJ and their fans are delusional if they think there is a positive outcome on the horizon. The only happy party in all of this is MHJ because she is leaving NJ worth exactly Zero to hybe. She doesn't give 2 shits about those girls. She is taking NJ down with her.

Incheonguy
>>156712568

LOL You believe fan sites have the legal contract from NJ. These kinds of comments are why people think NJ fans are delusional.

Incheonguy
>>156710475

You are kidding yourself if you think it's not about MHJ. She is getting NJ to destroy themselves and their value to Hybe. Plane and simple. She lost she doesn't want NJ to be worth anything and she doesn't care about those girls. There is no positive outcome for NJ at this point. They are never going to be the same.

Incheonguy
>>156710444

They are done. MHJ saw to that by getting them to do these silly PR stunts.

Doedside
>>156712568

I said that I don't know if it's true. But the fact is that the girls are confident in what they're doing so there must be a reason for this.

Doedside
>>156712568

To be completely honest I don't care about Mhj dispute with Hybe that much. I didn't follow it for a while so maybe there were some new facts about it I'm not aware of. All I care about is the members, I believe them and I trust they know what they're doing

Bear

It’s unfortunate that this originally started as an investigation between HYBE vs MHJ and it somehow has turned into NJ and HYBE. MHJ has manipulated the public so much and even the girls that they feel they can work with anyone but her. And the MHJ is the whole cause of their success. It’s sad.

Artist37
>>156773042

Some people don't care about the facts and its infuriating. Its nice to see posts like these, that have a realistic/reasonable approach. The amount of people thinking HYBE was going to shutdown because of all this drama is just laughable, the amount of people that are MHJ-stans is frightening, and then you have the people who automatically think New Jeans are free just because they so is probably the worst example. These people (and so-called fans) do not realize that even if they DO get out of their contract, they're effectively disbanded and/or dungeoned for the foreseeable future. Not to mention the amount of lawsuits they'll have to deal with.

angel
>>156773042

Thank u for bringing up the LOONA part lol cause as an orbit, they definitely went through a much more dire and serious case of mistreatment + attempted defamation from BBC

Christian Oettl

There's a lot of things MHJ and NJ did that really made me dislike them a lot. Of course Hybe isn't a perfect company, but no agency really is perfect, they all have their bigger and smaller problems. And one of the biggest problems for me is them overpushing that "ignore her" moment with Hanni and how they were mistreated when right now we have an actual idol (Madeins Gaeun) has actually been mistreated. Going in front of the national assembly overstyled with a massive brand bag while everyone who knows how shitty TS Entertainment treated their idols. Or BBC having Loona under a contract where they basically couldn't get out of debt. And we know that behind this all is MHJ and it's just sad to see where this group could've gone and what they did to themselves. We haven't heard anything yet about Hybe/Ador taking legal actions but I'm sure they will. And either they present something we haven't read, heard or seen yet, they will probably fail miserably. So many idols in way worse positions couldn't get out of their contracts, so any legal decision granting them out of their contract would massively alter the whole KPop idol industry

Haruka

I have seen so many groups going into court for justice and trying to end their contracts etc.. this is not new for me. But it is indeed first to see a group calling for a press conference, without alerting their label and make ultimatums. They may have prioritized public sympathy over professional decorum, idk. People are divided into 2 categories after the press conference: "they are smart about it" & "they're not smart about it". I have read both sides, lawyers and youtubers all shared their piece of mind and it seems like it all ends with what was written on their exclusive contract. If they're smart enough in the first place, they'd placed something to gave them a backdoor. But it also implies that THIS scenario was expected. MHJ is already in trouble with corporate law and stuff, she is in debt as of now. So it could come and backstab her in the future too. People already forgot that this issue was never about NewJeans vs ADOR; it was about MHJ's actions. She manipulated the media with dragging other groups in it and showing private chat logs. This dragged BSH in it. That dragged BTS in it. Court investigated a 2017 issue again for BTS!! It was not even about them. How crazy is that? A few weeks ago MHJ dismissed by the board of directors and lost her CEO position; then immediately NewJeans made a "secret" live on youtube (which is a breach of contract mind you) and Hanni shared her mistreatment. The subject shifted again. A national court meeting for Hanni and other workers who have mistreated come up. It was a wild ride for me. I couldnt even grasp the situation. At the end, i feel like this whole issue will make things harder for the future k-pop idols. Companies will make tighter contracts. It wont make benefits for the young idols. Just this week we learned about Madein's Gaeun. They kicked her out and they nasty CEO is still on business. Something about korean law is not sitting right with me. Or the "knetizens". I would like to hear your thoughts about it the most PD.

Haruka
>>156835166

I'm so angry that they kicked Gaeun from the group but that nasty piece of CEO is still running business like nothing happened at all. I am so sorry for the other girls on the group. If the national assembly took a notice on this and acted upon, i would believe their sincerity but no, it was just for a show. So i agree with you. Their actions made me cold toward them.

Yeva

after watching NJ's press conference I was left very confused... first of all, how can you terminate the contract just by saying you terminate it, without filing a lawsuit? Second of all, how can you say you terminate and don't want to be a part of the business, but then reassure you are still going to do your work/schedule that was originally planned and executed by the mentioned business? i support artists who want freedom and do their own thing, but i just don't see it in NJ, sorry... I don't understand and see their desire to be independent in what they create, I see their desire to pressure ADOR into bringing MHJ back, and I stand against it, I very much dislike MHJ and her whole theater of tears, playing the victim. I sincerely hope the girls are just confused and brainwashed, but if not, then I have no other choice but to not support them in their weird tactics, even though i enjoyed their music. its either leave, file lawsuit, and be a new group/artist with MHJ (though is that even legally possible without penalties?), or stay, be NJ and work with ADOR. I don't see any in between... also sorry, but the mistreatment at the workplace story that got so much attention, when there are workers who are actually experiencing severe mistreatment was such a blunder to me... i couldn't take it seriously at all, and it made me dislike the girls attitude even more