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nobody here minds getting a lot of emails from me right? okay cool glad to hear it. i thought you'd all like to see this

i figured out how to get the cover off. it's 4 screws.

A lot of people I've sent pics of this thing to did not realize that it's a Babbage Difference Engine inside. That is to say, this is a fully mechanical computer, consisting of several full-adders (I believe this is technically correct) made of steel levers, cams and wheels, which take quantities of money as input, and produce a sum as an output. I think.

This is sort of the problem - I don't know much about this thing and I can't seem to find any info. There's "lots" (relatively) available on the models from the 30s and 40s, but it seems like no collectors really care about the ones from the 60s-70s. So if anyone out there has resources, I would love anything you can find, especially as regards repairs.

I know enough about electromechanical systems to know I shouldn't just turn this thing on. It needs the cord replaced, of course, but that's trivial; it's also 50/50 that the motor will run, but that's also probably trivial. I expect the starting cap will be dry, but the bearings feel fine and it's very clean, surprisingly so in fact; I suspect it was overhauled fairly close to the end of its lifespan - which, based on what the previous owner told me, might have been sometime in the 90s or even later. I actually have a friend who tells me they saw a similar machine being used in a butchers' shop in the 2000s, and that scans.

I also believe that the mechanism is intact. Nothing appears to be stuck in an impossible position, there are no dangling linkages, nothing rattles, and whatever rust you see is purely cosmetic. This did sit under a porch for at least three years, and I believe dew condensed on the keypad, ran down and dripped into the front assemblage, but none of it looks bad enough to have pitting, I suspect it'll all come off with naval jelly.

Even more encouraging: the keypad works. I can press keys down, they move easily and seat reliably - with a very satisfying click - and when I pull the reset lever, they almost always pop right back up. When they don't, I can tell it's due to grease stickiness and not rust, because all I have to do is touch the operating rods to pop them up, I don't have to wiggle the keys side to side. That's EXTREMELY good news, because the keypad consists of several steel sheets sandwiched together; if rust starts, it gets ruined very quickly. The fact that this feels any kind of "good" almost certainly means no corrosion got inside.

My gut says that all this really needs is a little rust converter at the front, and then a top-to-bottom degreasing and relube, but that's like when the Car Guy (who talks a big game about projects he'd buy off CL but never seems to have anything in the garage) says he'd "just drop the transmission and rebuild it" and you're thinking "oh yeah, sure thing buddy, whatever you say." Taking this thing to pieces would be a herculean task - but not one that's actually beyond me. So. We'll see where this goes.

I bought it largely as a prop but I've always wanted something like this. My hope is that when I get the emergency manual crank (which you'd keep under the counter and use in case of a power outage) and try running the mech I'll find out that it Mostly Works and just needs a little TLC, but either way IDK how much time, energy and space I actually have to devote to this. I thought you'd all like to know that it's on my plate though.

also, point of order: the stream i said I'd start "in a little bit" yesterday started quite late... but then ran for uhhhhhhhhh twelve hours and ended at 3:30 AM. i played the entirety of F.E.A.R., which - I've concluded - is one of the best to ever do it. That game whips ass incontrovertibly, so if you need to kill half a day, and never got around to playing this seminal classic, and don't mind me saying the F word a lot, check out the VOD here: https://www.youtube.com/live/VL2uhnowRmo

I don't know how many people are interested in my game streams, I realize it's not exactly what most of you signed up for, but I figure I should at least mention when I have a notable one because it is, for whatever it's worth, a Product I have Produced.

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Travis Noble

good sir, I think I speak for all of us when I say we LOOK FORWARD to lots of emails from you.

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The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Cash

Cameron Battagler

1) yes! Emails! Please! 2) eh just spray some JB-80 in there and it will be fine (because it's twice as good as WD-40)

Xyon

More emails please

Emily Christ

Someone might have mentioned this already, but check out Chris Staecker's YouTube channel. He's a mathematician who collects and explains the history and inner workings of mechanical adding machines and such. He might want to collaborate, or at least help with research! https://youtube.com/@chrisstaecker

Pete Doherty

What a coincidence. This is the second time I've seen one of these and, more specifically, the emergency crank mentioned recently. The previous reference was in the context of the recent AWS outages and about how we used to have real, bulletproof redundancies baked into the machines powering society.

Soviet Gopnik

Ah, mechanical computers. I’ve been tempted for years to get one of these, but I resist because I KNOW I’ll end up tearing my hair out hunting faults in extremely complicated mechanisms I don’t understand 😅

Mat Fordon

I'm in a Discord server whose admin has been repairing old mechanical cash registers for years. Everything more than like 70 years old is their forte. This isn't full of brass and is far more complicated inside!

Crash Cash

That's what we're HERE FOR!

Crash Cash

Is there actually a socket for an emergency crank? When my grandparents had their shop register converted to electric, the socket became empty, and I'd think if it was electric to start with, they think "oh you don't need one of those!"

cathoderaydude

Mine does in fact have a crank socket, it's under a little flap on the side. The reason theirs didn't is probably because their machine wasn't intended to be electric from the get-go, and I can give you two theories for why that would be a problem: A) There was no way to couple the motor to the drive shaft other than the crank socket, since the machine wasn't designed to have two separate power inputs. So when they installed the motor, they replaced the crank with a cog, and capped off the opening since there was no way to *also* attach a crank. B) There was no way to retrofit a clutch. In a machine like mine which was designed to be electric from day one, the motor is connected to the rest of the machine through a clutch which only transfers power when needed. But the machine has to be designed around that clutch; you can't easily add it after the fact. Without a clutch, the motor would be engaged all the time, so if you had a crank mounted, it would spin wildly during transactions, and if you cranked it yourself, it would drive the motor's geartrain backwards, putting awful wear and tear on it, assuming you could do it at all because of the mechanical disadvantage you'd be fighting. As for "why would they include it on a new machine" - it actually would be shocking if they hadn't. The worst thing that can happen to a retail store, hands down, is the inability to take payments. The losses in sales are immense, so up until the point that power became _absolutely mandatory_ (the electronic era) stores would have been deeply opposed to the removal of this backup feature. After all, nobody had a UPS in 1975. Take all of the above as the speculation that it is. I am very new to this hobby.

vince

one of the big reasons i love your videos is, you put words to concepts i'm intimately familiar with, but would take, bare minimum, two rambling paragraphs to stumble through articulating and still miss the mark "Taking this thing to pieces would be a herculean task - but not one that's actually beyond me. So. We'll see where this goes" is an existential truth, a guiding beacon, the prelude to many of my proudest triumphs and mostly deeply embedded regrets also, i'm here for the off-the-cuff journey into mechanical computing, whether or not it turns into a full production

sdomi

this machine looks amazing! i can't wait for more about it, deeply curious how it works exactly also i can *never* catch your streams (but always watch the VODs) and i'm genuinely so happy about the 16GB of stream that's currently yt-dlping it's way over onto my home directory :D

PrincessChooChoo

Another potential person to contact would be Shelby from the Tech Tangents youtube channel, he's more focused on computers, but he does collect+repair mechanical calculators, and is very meticulous about archiving documentation and making it available, so he might have something or know how to find more.

Ben Lamb

My father in law was a technician at national cash register for 47 years, from 1967 to 2014. Started working on 1000 series registers (the old timey ca-ching ones with a crank) and finished his career on ATMs. If you can get a picture of the data plate, I might be able to source you the entire service manual. He still has most of that in microfiche in his garage.

cathoderaydude

Oh my god that must have been a fascinating job. I absolutely can get that info, would email be convenient? Patreons messaging system is awful.

Ben Lamb

Yeah absolutely. firstname at the lastname family dot net.

Gecko089

Wow, missed the stream, but Undying and FEAR in one stream? Gotta watch that, more or less my two favourites of the time. Looks like Santa came early disguised as the Halloween fairy! Also mechanical computing good. E-Mails good.

Warren Garabrandt

I know of a certain person on Imgur that refurbishes and resells mechanical cash registers. If you get stuck or want some tips and tricks, I can put you in touch.

cathoderaydude

I absolutely need tips and tricks, anything you can do lmao.

Warren Garabrandt

Roger that. Don't mind the username. They're really nice. I'll reach out to them.

Warren Garabrandt

Ok Cool. I sent you a dm in patreon to a discord when they are.

epic__beard

I really enjoyed your F.E.A.R. stream!